Navy1 Coba

I recently sent 3 notices in group. I got the popup in my notices as I sent them. In checking I found that several others got 1 or none of the notices. All had their RECEIVE GROUP NOTICES checked ( I asked). Is there some issue what is going on with Firestorm and SL Viewer and group notices? (I checked with a guy that has 2 bots using Radegast, the text viewer, and he got them on both bots) thanks, Navy 1 Coba

Thanks for the comments and clarifications. It is kinda what I suspected. As to A) B) or C) or D) 🤪, not sure. we will ever know but this was a MAJOR part of Second LIfe with several thousand of people involved in the industry. Now they have lost everything, some more than others. Once again, thanks for the information and the knowledge Navy1 Coba

I know little or nothing about scripts, but recently a product brand that contained internal scripting and was controlled by an "outside server" stopped working. The owner said the people that hosted his workings closed and he was unable to find a new host. Make me smarter. Why cant he just move the scripting server files to a new outside host? If he could, would that just involve an update to the product in SL and all start again or is it much more complicated and aka impossible. Thanks for all your brain power, Navy1 Coba

thanks for all the suggestions. Am kinda convinced it is inherent within the linden system since I have tried shutting this and that off, even using 2 different viewer on my Navy1 alt and mine and it still shows. I can shut it off of my viewer by setting particles to 0 but that doesn't stop other viewer from seeing the swirl. As a club owner I always inspect items I see that I might want in my place for owners, tracking to MP or their store. A few times I have been accused of trying to somehow damage or steal the item, so if it was a simple setting, I wanted to avoid the misconception. BTW, setting particles to 0 also blocks all particles in your viewer only (wink)

Hope I am not in the wrong section but I seem to get a quick particle swirl every time I go right click anything to get the pie menu. It's not really an issue for my building but more for looking at random things for who created it, etc just as a privacy issue. If I right click anything to rez the pie menu, I get a particle swirl. I have turned off in EXTRA the "create particle when scripts communicate, but doesn't help. Any ideas?

Thanks Rowan, you win the question of the day award (trophy is in the mail). The club was located ABOVE that 50-100m range that is controlled by the ABOUT LAND group settings and thus not restricted and limited to use of a security orb which rudely bounded people not wearing their tag. Since it is a mainland club, even though they "own" the land, they CAN NOT change the estate/regional settings to BLOCK PARCEL FLY OVER, they moved the club to ground level and thus were able to restrict access by the ABOUT LAND controls and restrict access to "group only" without everyone wearing the tag (group charged a modest fee that was being ignored and people dropping in without paying). I was privately told that Linden did this so aircraft could fly without bumping into ban lines everywhere and also rental sky boxes could have their own security controls set (orb) without being affected by a home or business at ground level.

apparently from my testing, please correct me, but land group restrictions only work from 145m to ground, so if the club is at say 500m, the settings on the ground do not restrict it. I am only guessing but this allows the land owner to set security for his home while not affecting say a rental sky box. There are probably other reasons but that is the only one coming to mind. Once above that 145m, GROUP ONLY ACCESS would have to be controlled by a security orb and as I understand them, one would HAVE to wear the GROUP TAG assigned to the orb if it was set to group only access. The issue is the person wants to have a club above ground and not restrict the visitors to wear a specific group tag, but still manage entry without a white list of members.

Asking for a friend, so here goes: A club on a parcel sectioned off of a sim, full permission for that parcel for whatever does NOT affect the rest of the sim in land rights. If they buy a security orb that restricts access to that parcel, they can set it to GROUP ONLY and require people entering to be a MEMBER of their group (eg: MY CLUB). They were TOLD (or think) everyone entering needs to wear an ACTIVE TAG (eg: MY CLUB) to not get booted. I had always thought a security orb set to YOUR group ejected people regardless of the tag they wore, but based on IF they were listed in the group.

It seems the key is logging in, not actually posting. That was my error. RL things came up and was away from the SL/FB one and it got zapped. It was only for fun as all of SL is, but still a loss, had some cute things in there and people seemed to like it. Sad to see many of the social platforms fail over the years since most were just that, social sites that allowed contact. Without my RL Facebook account I would lose contact with many I don't otherwise interact with on a normal day.

It seems I will be doing the same. I see no sense in promoting something that doesn't want me. Issue is, since i can't log in, I may be in virtual limbo, destined to live through eternity, haha

Seems then, it was just my time as target in the shooting gallery. I think my error was not logging in. Thanks for the info. I probably won't create a page from my RL Facebook account simply because I would get so much grief for owning a virtual strip club, ROFL

it wasn't a report, it was simply a lack of use of the SL/FB account. If you don't log into FB and read their ads, even if you don't post (had lunch with Bill and Tom at Wendys) they suspect you. You should read the list of things they would like to ID who you are. LL is not much different. I had an alt that the account was put on hold until I submitted real name, DOB, past addresses, any other alts connected, etc. On my RL facebook account they are constantly asking, was this you, when I use my cell phone or laptop instead of the main computer. I tend to think Skell is correct that its all about the money. If they can't actively track you, they can't sell your virtual body to advertisers. Maybe LL should jump on this, have FB/SL accounts and flood them with premium membership, MarketPlace ads and such, ROFL.

It seems we may have reached that point, Skell. With all the deception in the news about Facebook, am sure they are coming under fire for accounts such as this. In the end you are perfectly correct, its all about the money that can be generated and Lindens don't spend well at the local 7-11. LL is not without its issues in past years, such as the moving of all adult business (whatever that might be) to a separate island and then the gaming fiasco a few year ago. As a RL resident of one of the Evil 8 states, my avatar isn't even allowed on a gaming sim. I am sounding a bit like "remember the good ole days".

It's a discussion and anyone that has an avatar profile on Facebook is going to sooner or later run headlong into this. Even Second Life has a Facebook page, I am assuming they pay for a business account, but still, with over 300,000 likes on their page a tremendous amount are avatar based Facebook accounts

Years ago, I started a Facebook account for my avatar. I found a LOT of people did that. The Second Life Facebook page has over 300k likes, so we are not a small part of Facebook. As Second Life is our "second life" many of us don't really want to mix our first life Facebook account. For years everything went along smooth until about November of this year. I kept getting notices "we haven't seen you in a while" and the usual list of friend requests, etc. So in I log, hmm wait, you haven't logged in for a while, in order to resume you need 3 friends to post a 4 digit code, please pick from these photos. So I knew at least 3 personally since I have been on Second Life coming on 10yrs, contacted them and 2 got the codes, 1 got a note that she was not a trusted friend. I hadn't established any such list. So off I go winding through the maze of facebook help. Finally I find a send us this or that, and get a semi live person. Send them proof of who I am, back and forth, even a photo of my avatar pointing at the "like us on Facebook" sign at the club. Sorry, Navy1 seems to need a Utility bill, Polling card (yeah right!) or social welfare card. (Here I might insert the obvious joke I looked on MarketPlace and could find none of these). I am kind of at a loss. My Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/Strippers-nite-club-and-mall-431936040171338/ has a modest following over the years and I'd like to continue but it seems Facebook doesn't want us. If any of you have any suggestions besides the "quit Facebook" comments, let me know

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I am inworld. Many things not working. I suspect if you are on an estate, you are stuck. I am on Zindra, and, CRAP! Firestorm just crashed so anything I could have done is now moot since I can not relog back. As I left I could walk or fly around Zindra except to those places that did not recover from the reset. No TP, so flying or walking was it. Now I'm on the outside with the windows blacked out, haha.

Well if you are inworld, its pretty lonely around here. I can walk and fly to other sims, but no TP and no notecards, etc, you name it, its borked

The sad thing is, at least in my case, banning a computer or even an IP address only moves these people down the road. The way it was done suggests not a random player looking for a few dollars, but a skilled actor, easily moving money around at various locations. A new alt, moving your laptop to the next person of many sitting at a table and shifting an IP is done during lunch for these people. While we like to think it is some random kid trying to get money, more likely, these are attacks planned and setup to evade LL's systems and target the holes. With Second Life's transaction totals in the hundreds of millions of US dollars, it is likely to attract a few more bad actors than Winston on his mom's computer.

Many thanks to the abuse department for dealing with all this. Am sure it is a thankless job and fills their day with one scam after another. In my case, they actually were able to not only recover the money that was passed thru my club, but stop it from being forwarded and cashed into real dollars, which after all, is the main reason someone would gather information and take over another's SL account. This one was very tricky since the hacker was easy to find, but in passing the money thru a tip jar that split percentages, the initial solution was to recover the money from the tip jar owner (me) and assume I could recover my money from the dancer involved. I was told my quick work in finding that all involved were 0 day people alerted them to the scam went deeper and were able to follow the money a few levels below and recover it before it was cashed out. The tip jar (or anything that spits money donated) still remains a avenue for abuse and it takes a very dedicated SL abuse person to put forth the extra effort. I was lucky to be assigned such a person. In talking with other club owners, my situation was minor compared to some of the stories of the same event resulting in hundreds of real life dollars lost. The key is quick reporting and detection. Had the hacked account not been aware and reported quickly, the money would have flowed along and cashed out to a quickly dissolved real world account. As a warning to all, BEWARE clicking a link in chat from an unknown person, and even from a friend, chat with them a bit to verify they are the person you know. IF you do click a link, NEVER LOG IN after it at the linked site. NOTHING OFFERED is ever worth it. If by some weak moment you do, IMMEDIATELY go to your dashboard at secondlife.com and change your password. IF done quickly, your chances that your account will be taken over are reduced greatly. Thanks to all that listened to my, at times, aggravated rant.

Alwin, I don't have employees or staff. The club is a roleplay strip club for those that want to pretend to be a stripper for a night, so the only way is to remove the tip jars. It puts a stop to what is called Freelance dancers/performers unless you limit the free group to an aged avatar, then how old is old enough? I did consider an SL age rating as many clubs do, but a good scammer can have a group of people aging while they blow the 10, 20, 30day old accounts out scamming and stealing. Stealing accounts for the money inside is probably the biggest scam out there and most times the people doing it know how to work the rules and it is professionally done. Fake MP links, click here for a free home, etc etc, and once the account is hacked, as quick as possible they post a link in all the hacked accounts groups and friends "click here, best friend" and gather those. After that, as quick as they can, they try to move the money in the account to somewhere they can turn it into RL money. I don't envy the people at LL trying to recover lost accounts and the money within. It is easy to see thief 1 transfer direct to thief 2 in an attempt to cash out before getting caught, but if they can move it covertly to thief 2 or in a manner that it is not possible to PROVE thief 2 is involved, they recover what they can from who. In this case, thief 1, moved the money to a tip jar owned by the venue, so the entire amount appears on the venues books, then the script splits to thief 2 and the venue at a percentage split by the script, usually 80/20 or 90/10, even 100/0 still gives the venue the money first. In walks Linden Labs tracing the money and all they can prove is thief 1 gave it to the venue, so they recover the full amount not bothering to trace it further, nor really being able to prove intent since it was scripted to thief 2. Thief 2's account is safe and continues the scam. The only way I can see thwarting this, is to have the dancer/entertainer OWN and wear/rez their tip jars similar to the way a musician rezzes his signs, set and tip jars at a music venue. All this becomes quite involved and I doubt my small venue will do anything other than remove anything owned by the club that splits tips or donations to anyone but the club. Then a hacked account gives the club money, I give it back, no loss no gain, however why would thief 1 give away money they can't recover.

You were correct in your assumption of the way LL handled it, even though they admitted the dancer was probably part of the scam since she was also 0 days old, they say she broke no SL rule, since it was my tip jar that paid her, so she, alt or no, is free to cash out to RL money whatever amount she has gained at my or any other club. I should consider myself lucky the tip wasn't bigger but still, a sizeable chunk of my monthly tier has been removed in a venue that is set up for roleplay and not to line my pockets each month. Tip jars were mostly set up as part of the roleplay experience and a tip of a few hundred lindens wasn't rare in my 7yrs being open, so when a tip of quite a few thousand appeared, it did not go unnoticed. Since the club gets 10%, roleplayers tip a few lindens to their partner roleplaying as a dancer, reasoning the percentage to the club a thanks for your venue. Tip jars have been removed now since there is nothing to stop bad actor 1 from creating a new account, hacking someone else and tipping the same dancer another 4 figure tip, or even more since it worked the first time. LL also said if I did have the money in the account to repay (lets suppose I just paid my monthly tier) they would have frozen my account until it was repaid(imagine a tip of 75k in lindens). The thieves have stumbled upon the perfect scam as Lindal eluded to. After all the sole reason to hack any account is to get the lindens in it, and its a moot point if they can not successfully convert that to real world money. In this case the several tens of real world dollars came out of mine.

you are correct. Issue resolved, hacked account owner's money returned, let the club owner try and recover his money from the dancer, performer, whoever got the split, not bothering to look, as I did, that both couples (4 people) that did this are 0 day people all, and if a deeper look was taken, they would match an IP to one person. And it would be guaranteed that if all they did was cancel or reset the hacked accounts and the 2 dancers are not looked into and cash out, the hacker will repeat the scam until they get stopped at the 2nd level. Meanwhile, honest people working freelance for a percent of a venue no longer have a job or a place to work in. My club is a roleplay for couples to pretend, and the tip jar was set up as a more realistic experience. My 10% in the last year would probably not cover what I lost in this one event, so they will be removed.

why would someone hack into an account then give away the money to another 0 day dancer, LL can track the IP and see all 4 accounts so if they want, they can put the pieces together. The original owner got his/her money back and after a bunch of these 0 day accounts do a pass around, they will cash out. My only hope for recovery is if the scam is large enough and they can freeze the players before they cash out. The sad thing about all this, is I had to remove all the tip jars from the club because until LL gives me any assurance this wont happen again, I cant take the chance of losing this much again. Since it is a roleplay club and not a real employee system that I could control, I'm not sure there is a way to prevent this without ruining the sporadic nature of the roleplay. The club operates on a small margin and things like this are absorbed out of my RL pocket. In addition to that, the freelance dancers that used the club will be out of work at my place and the other clubs that use a split tip script.