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Medhue Simoni wrote:Ok, you wanna do the whole broken record thing. Great! See, there is actually evidence to back up what I say, and it's all around us. What you are talking about doesn't have anything to do with free markets or capitalism. What you are talking about is completely illogical. Why? Because all of those things you describe have never come about in a completely free market, or even a relatively free market.On the contrary, Socialism has been tried and tried and tried, in many, many different forms, yet people continue to idolize those principles. The whole concept is illogical in so many ways, beside it only being able to exist by using force. It was Einstein that said, something to the affect, "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result".A Free Market is not government giving hand outs to their favorite corporations. A Free Market is not government restricting access into a market with licenses. A Free Market is not patents handed out to corporations to restrict competition. A Free Market is not government giving a limited group a license to broadcast and advertise for the mega corporations. A Free Market is not governments taking over whole market sectors. A Free Market has no regulations. A Free Market has nothing to do with tarrifs, or taxes. A Free Market is not people forming unions, which are immune from the crimes they commit. A Free Market is not a lawless nation with no courts for those that have been wronged, as all the basic common law practices still apply. This could go on and on but what I'm trying to say is that no current government engages in Free Market principles.The crazy part is, you admit, at the end, that there are no Free Markets, but your whole comment before that implies that there are Free Markets and they have all these problems. So, which is it? You want to blame things on the Free Market or Capitalism, and then you admit there have never been any true forms. Read the title of this forum thread. It's an appeal to intellectual honesty, which you don't seem to understand the concept. You contradict yourself and can't even see it.Now, I used SL as the closest thing to a Free Market that most of us have ever seen in modern times. It is not a perfect Free Market, as there is no court system, or use of common law principles. That said, the best protection of the consumer is the consumer educating themselves, and not relying on corrupt governments to protect them. We do see this in SL, and people learn quickly. Word of mouth and free speech allows consumers to tell each other who are the bad merchants. When governments engage in regulations, those regulations are generally created by the large corporations to further restrict access into their markets, and the government promotes these regulations as consumer protections. LL even restricts free speech, here in the forums, which I think is totally wrong. I'm all for people calling out merchants that engage in bad business practices, and letting the public decide on their own. As a large merchant in SL, I have no fear of being called out, as I don't engage in such activities. If I were to be falsely accused, I'd have thousands of friends and customers that would rush to my defense, and the accuser would quickly be seen as the fraud they are.Again, I did not say that SL was the perfect example, but it still survives today under this Free Market system, no matter how much LL messes things up. If not for the vast mistakes that LL has made, SL would still be thriving and growing.
Excuse me? There's no "broken record" here Medhue. I'm speaking from a position of fact and from a position of reality. There has never been a truly free market, nor has there ever been one which operates as your idealogical variation is described.
You are blind and/or naive if you truly believe what yiu're saying here - you want to invoke the title of this thread? Fine. Go back, reread and try to actually comprehend what is being said: A truly free market of the sort you believe in is impossible. Human nature precludes it.
There is no contradiction - I showed you why it cannot exist. I even showed you why your use of Second Life is a flawed example.
I'm only going to say this once: Starry eyed idealism is not "Intellectual Honesty".
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Medhue Simoni wrote:JeanneAnne, I'm guessing, is a total socialist. What she fails to see is that SL could be hailed as the only "Free Market" in the world. It shows just how successful a truely "free market" can be. All of the failures of SL are directly attributed to the failures of LL, and have nothing at all to do with the players in the market. If LL adopted a more "free market" attitude within it's own company, it would likely be a huge success.If not for the constant socialist propaganda inflicted onto us on a daily basis, socialism would be dead and be seen as the real parasite that it is. Socialism has nothing at all to do with freedom. This is easily proven as the only way to implement it, is to use force. Without the threat of force, socialist policies would never be excepted by the masses.On the other hand, free markets and capitalism prove themselves to be the core of freedom. No1 has to force any1 to do anything. Everything gets allocated correctly, and price correctly, as the market and the free will of people send all the proper signals to allocate things properly. As soon as you take away the market from the equations, which is socialism, then you get corruption and mismanagement. None of the big players have any market forces from restricting it, leading to monopolies.Whether you live in a socialist society or a capitalist society, the market forces will always be at work. Market forces are akin to Karma. You can't control it, much like a raging river. To try and act against it will only cause more harm than good. It is better to flow with that raging river and you see all the benefits that the river can bring. When socialism is implemented in any market, you will see shortages, as all the incentives to produce in that market have been taken away. In a totally free market and capitalistic market, there will always be abundance, as long as peolpe are willing to pay the price. Any shortage in a capitalistic market presents itself with high prices. Every1 can see this. The result is that people clamour to get into that market, eventually eliminating the shortage and lowering the price.
I'm sorry but, just as Jeanne's assertions do not hold much water, neither do yours.
The Human proclivity for Violence, Greed, Decadence and all manner of negative segments of our very nature prohibits the existence of a truly "free" market.
When you remove all the checks and balances to allow the market to do as it wishes ... it will do just that. Larger corporations WILL form trusts and monopolies. They WILL do anything they can to crush their comeptition. They WILL seek to increase their profits at the expense of everything else.
This holds true for every market sector out there, just look at the banking industry, real estate, software, hardware, media ... When unckecked, the market is overwhelmed with those who will stop at nothing for their own personal gain.
This is even evident among the users of Second Life. People will lie, they will find ways to 'cheat', they will use software to 'steal' ....
No - the "free market" you're describing is not only an impossibility ... it may as well be a myth.
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I see this thread has been busy since the last time I saw it ...
I also see that the insane idea of the users getting Second Life in any manner was still being discussed as if it had any merit whatsoever or was founded on any resemblance of reality.
Reality is this: You don't pay anyting at all - you don't even have the sort of "stake" in the software as those who have sat down and tried to fix the bugs in it.
Content creators? Their "stake" is much different as well. They used the software to bring their creative visions to life and have to pray that Linden Lab won't ever pull the plug.
The only stake in Second Life that has any real meaning to the Board is a monetary stake. And not even Premium Members pitch in enough to be much more than a blip on their radar. Single Sim Renters (no, you don't own the sim - you rent it from Linden Lab) register as the tiniest specks of dust on their screen. Huge Estate renter? They certainly register.
Jeanne - you have o stake in Second Life that the Board cares about.
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Qie Niangao wrote:Suffrageis not something anybody "went through" -- it's something people fought for and gained. Otherwise it seems confused with "suffering" which has nothing to do with the word.(I realize that's going to sound pedantic to some. Tough. My forest. Mine!)
To clarify: By "went through" I was speaking of the movement itself.
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Winter Tenenbaum wrote:Im also gonna say tbis.... It's a real shame that so many women wen through womems sufferage so that ppl like this could set back the womens movement 100 years. Good job! Best of luck.
Actually it's a pity that they went through it so that the modern crop could pretend to be outraged by things that don't affect them one bit (and trust me, those that get so easily offended by what other women do online or in their real lives really aren't affected by it).
You've got your thoughts and opinions - that's wonderful!
Just remember that they're just that: Your thoughts and your opinions - The reality of the situation is this, no one is doing anything illegal by participating in this sort of role play while using Second Life. They're not doing anything illegal by participating in the (far safer) role play variations in real life either.
Some people still retain the ability to seperate fantasy and reality. The only thing that should (and presently, rightfuly does) concern people is when it ceases to be fantasy.
Actual abuse and violence against either gender is a very bad thing and should indeed be punished under the law.
For everything else, people should mind their own business.
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Winter Tenenbaum wrote:Don't wanna see YOUR forest through MY trees. I did not push my beliefs on anyone. With regard to Noble he was the pushy one. There is NOTHING normal about that fantasy. Sorry...
Repeating it over and over again does not make your opinion a fact - sorry.
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Alpha Sorting - also called Transparency Sorting. It is exactly what is says on the label.
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Knowl Paine wrote:Some indicators are:Do you own the Land?Were you Invited to visit that Parcel?Is the parcel Linden Land?Does the word Public appear in the Land description?Is there signage advertising Public space?Is the Land directly adjacent to a Linden Welcome area?Is the Land a Resident extension, of a Linden road, rail, or waterway, built in the likeness of the Linden thoroughfare, in so that, the average Resident might believe they are in a Public area?If the answer is No; the Land should be considered as Private property.
This.
I myself have two different parcels, one that came with my Premium Account and the other that I and my group of friends rent. Both are invite/access list/group only parcels.
They were set up this way for various reasons, including the desire to have places where the bulk of SL's Userbase simply cannot appear out of nowhere and interrupt any private meetings or otherwise impose on instances wherein my friends and I simply wish to be left alone.
Heck, both parcels even have the proper options enabled/disabled to restrict all text, general sound, voice and even visibility to the parcels themselves.
If either parcel were on Mainland, I'd leave them fairly open but apply the same content restrictions (and I have done so in the past) as in such a circumstance I do not mind respectful visitors.
Not all visitors are such however, hence the further restrictions on the two remaining parcels as well as having all possible rezzed content set to group access only.
It seems some fail to understand that Second Life is what those who use it wish to make of it and that we are quite free to deny others the use of our content. I don't begrudge those who wish to openly share everything they have ... and I expect the same in return when I choose not to share what I have.
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JeanneAnne wrote:Solar Legion wrote:Theresa Tennyson wrote:JeanneAnne wrote:once again .. why should selfishness be respected? i will respect that which deserves respect but to my mind pointless selfishness & exclusivity deserve NO respectJeanne
I think most people here agree with you about selfishness, JeanneAnne - that's why so few people respect you.I got a laugh out of this.The simple fact she does not seem to be able to grasp is that Linden Lab allows security orbs and they themselves coded in the ban lines.Further, she has failed to realize that onecan"steal" content - it happens each and every day. The difference is that the original remains right where it was.Content creators have every right to decide how their content is used - our personal opinions have no effect on this.of course you got a laugh out of her sarcasm .. & of course you want me to know that you support the selfishness being displayed by those w/ vested monetary interests in perpetuating selfishness in sl .. its the dogpile mentality meant to intimidate the dissenting voice .. its all to typical & only to be expectedof course LL allows insecurity orbs & ban lines .. as capitalists they pander to the worst of human nature .. they support selfishness so long as it facilitiates weatlh transfer from the pockets of selfish people who wallow in selfish exclusivity to their own .. duhwell .. if stuffcanbe stolen that doesnt meanIsteal anything .. so why should i be in any way disadvantaged over the selfishness of others .. of either the thieves or of those who seek to protecttheirstuff from theft? why should i be caught up in the arms race between horders & theives?if content creators have every right to decide how their content is used then i have every right to regard their cartoons as worthless .. & to laugh at them when they become irate over copybotting & IP theftJeanneNice to see that you're incapable of basic reasoning and logic.
Welcome to life - don't like it, too bad.
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Theresa Tennyson wrote:JeanneAnne wrote:once again .. why should selfishness be respected? i will respect that which deserves respect but to my mind pointless selfishness & exclusivity deserve NO respectJeanne
I think most people here agree with you about selfishness, JeanneAnne - that's why so few people respect you.I got a laugh out of this.
The simple fact she does not seem to be able to grasp is that Linden Lab allows security orbs and they themselves coded in the ban lines.
Further, she has failed to realize that one can "steal" content - it happens each and every day. The difference is that the original remains right where it was.
Content creators have every right to decide how their content is used - our personal opinions have no effect on this.
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Funny, someone suggesting I contribute more "substance" whom has an account which could be barely a year or two old, who espouses ideals and dreams as if they were facts and who espouses a view of a reality which simply does not exist ....
I've been here a heck of a lot longer, I've watched this program grow. I've contributed in the forum system since before this oh so lovely variation (note the sarcasm) was coded and on top of that, I have quite a bit of experience when it comes togames/software being bought out by other companies.
I actually pay attention to the real world.
You won't be taing anythiong - you own no corporation, you do not have the funds sufficient to make Linden Lab an offer nor would they ever do as you 'dream' they would. It's that simple.
Yep - reality sucks. Welcome to the real world - you don't have the option of taking it or not, you live in it.
The reality is this: No corporation is going to have the same leniency or tolerance for what goes on in Second Life or for the crap the users pull - least of all users like you. This is, quite simply, fact.
A game maker gets hold of SL? It becomes nothing more than a true game.
Microsoft, Adobe, or any other standard software company gets hold of it? Say bye-bye to free accounts, say bye bye to ban appeals, say bye bye to any semblance of due process ...
Oh - and say bye bye to being able to have the software without an actual liscence.having been purchased smewhere.
If you do not like how Linden Lab operates, go and make your own product. It's that simple. There is only so much the users can change.
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Do yourself a favor - dpn't assume anything about me in the future.
I dream.
I do not - however - mistake those dreams for reality nor do I present these dreams as if they would actually happen.
And so you're aware, if any present software or game development company got hold of Second Life, what many have actually enjoyed of it will end rather quickly. Take it from someone who has been here for a few years and has watched far less ambitious projects be destroyed by corporate buyouts.
You think things cannot be any worse than they are?
They can always be worse - that's reality.
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Nope - I'd rather live in reality where any such "tier stricke" would cause an actual corporation to buy them out.
Keep dreaming.
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Linden Lab is a private company - unless you'd like to form your own corporation, amass a small fortune and outright buy out their board of directors ...
Then the notion of general users "taking over" the company and their software is nothing more than an idle pipe dream, thought up by those who actually believe that customers have a real say in the direction of private software companies.
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I once entertained the idea of making an SLU account ...
Then I decided to go make a Second Citizen account and stayed with them until they closed.
Then I made an account with SC's reincarnation.
I won't touch SLU - I don't like nor trust the management.
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I'll be blunt and brief here: Enough is enough. Linden Lab is not going to listen to you, they're not ging to enact any of the "security precautions" you believe Second Life should have, they are only ging to do what is legally required of them to remain in business - be it here or in the many countries they have customers in.
No, you don't have any credibility - not when you accuse anyone who disagrees with you of possibly being a griefer or enabling griefers. That tactic alone makes your thoughts and opinions on the matter utterly worthless.
You don't like the way Linden Lab operates? Cancel your account.
All you're doing here is making yourself look like a foolish and spoiled prat.
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I'd much rather they make it so that groups can be micro managed with more roles and the ability to make sub groups.
That would solve the problems right there.
Caps lock - lose it, all it does is turn people away and make users far less likely to tolerate you.
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To assume that those using any means to keep your nose where it belongs are doing so for foul reasons is the absolute height of paranoia.
I'll use a very adult example here: I have no problem with people watching me and my partner engaging in more intimate play where such things are within the purview of the setting. On any server space I rent or own however? I get to decide who comes and who goes. I get to decide who has the potential to visit and catch us in the middle of a bit of playtime.
And the whole while, nothing foul is going on behind that "firewall" which keeps you in your place.
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I hearby propose the following addition(s) to the ToS:
The following instances should result in a ban, followed by the confiscation of one's PC and the removal of their ability to access the Internet in general
- Failure to tell the difference between real violence (of any kind) and a fantasy world
- Failure to understand that one can simply teleport out of a parcel or sim wherein one finds content which they object to
- Failure to tell when one has been pushing their agenda concering violence against a single gender (which is in itself sexist) quite a bit too far.
Starting to see a patern?
Don't like that sort of content - don't go to those sims. Can't control yourself/think it's your duty to combat it? Cancel your account.
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What is your excuse for falling for a marketing ploy?
Hey - MMOs and other bits of software that give a visual representation of a landscape still call what is generated on the screen "land".
How about you try a bit harder hmm?
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Perhaps because it isn't a Sales Tax? Perhaps because Second Life is a computer program and Linden Lab a software company, thus making it illegal to call a Commission Fee a Tax?
And that is all it is - it's a commission fee. You want intellectual honesty? Quit comparing a piece of software to a country. There's a start.
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Maelstrom did not come here for advice - go back and read. There have been at least two others who did not bother to ask for advice either.
The only sensible advice was given to those who asked: Report the bug, pay any overages and wait it out. If peple cannot handle this, they do not need to be using the Net.
Your list leaves out wholly the fact that network spikes happen. There is no such thing as a predictable usage of data. And yes, I'm gping to tell people who whine and demand recompense to take it in stride and either wait it out or use the door they have threatened to walk through.
I have been here long enough to have grown weary of their attitudes, the constant blame being placed for the simplest issues anywhere but where it belongs.
There's no "finger pointing" going on here - A bug occured/is still occuring in some of the server code, it has caused enourmous data usage spikes for some users. The solutions really are as simple as paying the fees and waiting it out (including waiting to see if Linden Lab wil decide to compensate affected users or not) or to leave and cease complaining about it.
Linden Lab is not required to compensate anyone for this. It's that simple. It doesn't matter what you believe the issue to be.
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No correction required - all data overages incurred which are not the fault of the ISP or their systems are the responsibility of the plan owner/bill signer - no ifs, ands or buts.
It does not matter if Linden Lab admits an error on their part or not - they don't pay your bills. You do - ger over it and pay the bills.
I am sick to death of people looking to place blame on another corporation when it is common bloody knowledge that data can spike for any reason what so ever. If it's the fault of your ISP (their hardware or software) then you can get compensation for it.
The fault of a game service, "virtual world" (still classed as a game service mind you), a web site or any other reason? You are stuck with the charges and it is up to the other company's discretion as to wheather or not you get compensated for it.
Why that is so hard for some entitlement happy people to understand is beyond me: You have a data limit each and every month: You monitor it - end of discussion.
Anyone else who wishes to respond with a similar "correction", undertsnd this: I am well aware of the particulars of tis bug. I simply don't care about your sob stories or your excuses. When you are on a data limited plan, you watch your data like a hawk, there is no excuse to do otherwise. Find a bug in a service that puts you over? Report the bug to the service, pay your overage fee, let others know about the bug and then wait for it to be fixed. Do not start complaining and acting as if you are owed anything whatsoever.
I am normally very sympathetic to those who make mistakes. I have no synpathy for anyone who is affected by this bug that develops a martyr complex or expects Linden Lab to compensate them for the overage. If they are ging to compensate their users who were affected, they will. If not? Togh luck.Complaining and pretending that an ISP's opinion on comensation carries any weight on the matter ought to net you a little forced vacation until such a time as one can act like a reasonable adult instead of someone throwing a tantrum. Anyone who has threatened to leave over this?
There's the door - you can use it and cease complaining here or you can remain and wait it out.
Those are the mature and responsible choices.
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An appeal to intellectual honesty.. call it a TAX.
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Right, you've heard it all before ...
You want evidence to back up my assertion concerning human nature? I present to you ... the entirety of human history. A history filled with conflict, greed and showing both the best and worst of Humanity - and even that history is skewed to make some look as if they were "good" when in reality they were anything but.
In the future you may want to consider that any time anyone uses the term "propaganda" when forming an argument on any topic ... I just laugh and dismiss them from that point forward. I have no time for conspiracy theories, starry eyed idealism or naïveté in any argument or debate.
If you'd like to be intellectually honest ... you won't use such a term.