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1 hour ago, Luna Bliss said:

Prokofy is being abused by these griefers, and is being abused by people like yourself and Pixie who actually BLAME her for either the abuse or not being willing to do anything about it (which is untrue).

It's a worthy cause.

And I hate Blender.

1.  Phil and I are not abusing Prok.

2.  Many things are worthy.

3.  I don't care what you hate.

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1 hour ago, Luna Bliss said:

I don't believe we should call people names, but sometimes it's good to look behind what someone was actually saying...and I believe Prok was saying that she believed that Pixie's concern was not genuine (when calling her a 'concern troll') and I have to say I believe the same although I can't be for sure. Perhaps it was similar to how Pixie wished me a good day at the end of our mini-argument?

I must assume that you are unfamiliar with the work of the British humorist Miranda Hart?  You should look her up, she's brilliantly funny.  

Prok is mistaken, I am not a 'concern troll'.  I'm not any sort of troll.  I have been in sl for 10 years, not quite as long as Prok, but a fair time.  I have an established business and I can use the JIRA if I wish to.  I came into this thread with genuine suggestions, like almost all the other contributors, and I reiterated that I was NOT in a previous thread, saying 'if you don't like it leave', which was how Prok misinterpreted what I did say, which you could go back and find, if you had a genuine interest or curiosity.  I'll save you the effort, I asked why, since she didn't seem to like SL or LL, and since she is repeatedly attacked by griefers, what her reasons for staying might be.

So, in summary, I can see a troll here.  Pro-tip: it is not I.

 

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2 hours ago, Luna Bliss said:

There could be other reasons you hate her and want to tear her down..

I don't, so there are not.

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30 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

I thought flaming wasn't allowed here.

It appears that the only goal of Pixieplumbs post is to tear Prok down, discredit her, or exact some kind of revenge.

It isn't, I wasn't, and if you'd read the whole thread you'd know better.  Prok is irrelevant to me and 'my' sl.  I offered sympathy and was called a troll.  Prok volunteered the information that she and her alts are banned from the JIRA.  I just asked why.  I have no expectation that she will answer.  I have no reason to want to 'discredit her' - I don't rent land, not do any of my sl friends, so we're certainly not in competition.  And revenge?  Bless.  Prok has done me no harm beyond some childish name calling, which I brushed off, because yanno, sticks and stones and all that   

The intention (or goal, if you wish)  of my posts is to comment, give my opinion, make a few jokes, you know, the whole purpose of the forum.

In another place you were made unwelcome, and I post there too, occasionally.  I did not agree with you there or then, and you're still wrong.

Good day to you, sir, I say, good day!!

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On 16/07/2017 at 3:31 PM, Prokofy Neva said:

Since I'm finding that I have to repeat myself and valid points aren't being comprehended, I'm done with this conversation. You're all welcome to
"talk among yourselves" 

 

Um, how kind,  /s off.   

Done until you're back with a rinse & repeat, I expect.  My sympathies are now entirely with the dwindling pool of your residents.

Also, WHY are you and your alts banned from the Jira?  Asking for a friend

[Giveaway, gift card, or %off]

Are there any shopping groups for the products you sell?  If so, you could offer a small gift to members of those groups, by putting a vendor configured to that group only in your store.  Then put a group joiner for your own group and another gift vendor for that close by.  If your group has a join fee you can justify it by promising a regular gift, monthly or every other month, whatever suits your work flow.  Some vendor systems also have a facility for you to offer discounts by group, with either a lower price option or automatic refunds.  So you could offer limited time discounts on some items.  Perhaps also consider offering a percentage of total spend as store credit.  Also, to build group membership, consider offering a special gift to members when the group has grown to a certain size.

I do or have done all of these, and they do work

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14 minutes ago, ChinRey said:

Two questions:

Am I the only one who only feels sad reading this thread?

And is it actually going to lead anywhere?

1.  Probably not

2.  No

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Also, I just found this store: <Advertising Link Removed> thanks to that blog;some really nice resources here, ta Prok 

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6 minutes ago, Phil Deakins said:

Oooo, I got a mention

Careful, I think Prok is flirting with you

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5 hours ago, Prokofy Neva said:

Um, yes you are. Let me think now -- what would the "tools" be that would stop someone from placing RL effigies of you all over your sims? Group ban? But those are used instantly. Turn off build -- but that's done, rogue viewers override it. Etc. etc.  There isn't any need to "change what I do" because I'm not doing anything wrong; the griefers are violating the TOS, repeatedly, yet the Lindens are not getting to the root of the problem (their enablers and the land owners where their stashes are). It's like terrorist financing.

That you believe that this is somehow my fault, or even a "fetish" of mine as you say below is all part of the creepy, inhuman behavior from the Linden fan base that *enables griefing*. Really, it is quite outrageous.

You're welcome to continue to display your absence of character. Block/ban.

 

LOL, smh.  Ok, no, I don't actually think this is a fetish, certainly not in a sexual sense.  But you are obsessed with this, and because you always rise to the teasing and bullying and griefing you are rewarding the people who do it.  I expect that you are quite fully aware of this now.  Part of the reason you are targeted is that you link your rl identity to your sl one, and your views are known to be considered extreme. 

To be blunt, you're viewed as an obsessed nutter guaranteed to go off with the slightest provocation.  You get outraged when people are rude to you, but you are terribly rude as well.  We call this hypocrisy.  It isn't 'absence of character' to disagree with someone.  Bless your heart, perhaps you can't help it; as Phil points out, the rl picures aren't of a happy person.

Sure, block/ban me; I'm not your problem.  I don't grief you, I don't care about you or your business or your tenants, and block/banning me won't make the slightest bit of difference to your abusers or your pitiable situation.

I did care a bit about how unhappy you were, but now that we've established that you just love to whinge and won't make any attempt to change, well, foxtrot oscar, basically.

 

 

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15 hours ago, Phil Deakins said:

No it's not the same at all. One is ok IF the criticism is justified, and the other isn't. But that wasn't what I said or suggested. I pointed out why, imo, it's you who gets targetted.

It isn't just Lindens and LL who you target. Sometimes you go out of your way trying to find things to criticise publically, whether or not the criticism is justified. You put yourself out there is what I'm saying, and I'm suggesting that it makes you a target for anyone who is looking for one.

Yanno Phil, I am slightly beginning to wonder if maybe this is a fetish thing for Prok?  I mean it's a bit left of centre, and YKINMKBYKIOK, and left is not a natural place to put Prok, but it could be?  We should not judge. (solemn face emoji)

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2 hours ago, Prokofy Neva said:

My week is fine.

I didn't misinterpret your concern trolling nor "return to a thread I left" -- the system stops posts sometimes and you have to wait for time to pass. There aren't any "many suggestions to mitigate bullying" that aren't already used, i.e. banning from groups and land, turning off build and many others. Odd that you should think there are "suggestions" when there aren't -- as a suggestion of turning my land into bunkers hasn't been made here. You're willfully misreporting what anyone can see is in this thread, and I see that's your method. It doesn't work on me. The Lindens need to fix their bugs on the MP if they want to keep customers and they need to do more obvious things to stop griefing like remove mains (they have done this in the past) and stashes on islands rented from the "uninvolved" -- they've done this in the past, but all too rarely and sometimes they reverse it.

 

Uh huh, well, I'm still not a 'concern troll', adorable as that sounds   I can't say for sure, but it certainly appears to be the case that you either get griefed a lot more than anyone else, or that it bothers you more than anyone else, or that other people who are griefed simply use the tools available and the problem stops/diminishes/becomes bearable.  Whichever it is, I'm absolutely sure that until you change something that you do this isn't going away.  And you won't change what you do, because you don't have to, and you're not breaking the TOS and the Lindens should fix it.  

This will run and run - I have popcorn.

And whilst I am not a 'concern troll' (are they the ones with the crazy hair and bodies that look, but do NOT taste like caramel?) I am a wee bit less moved by Prok's situation than I was last week.  More entertained, though, so lucky me!

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14 hours ago, Prokofy Neva said:

 

People who have read about my other complaints (all my stuff being dumped off the Marketplace at once due to a glitch, 15,000 inventory items going to trash to disappear for good, etc.) think I'm crazy to say "the Lindens are in on it" or tell me that "If you don't like it, there's the door." Yes, the forced-exit strategy is what griefers want.

 

 

When I asked you for your reasons for staying you misinterpreted my words to mean the above.  That was neither what I said nor what I meant.  It was rather a genuine and serious question, and you haven't answered it, although of course you don't have to.  But when many people have made repeated suggestions to you to mitigate the bullying you suffer, and it IS bullying, and I DO sympathise, you turn those suggestions away, wilfully misunderstand them and refuse to help yourself.

OF COURSE you and your tenants should not be griefed, but what actually happens both in rl and here is NOT ideal and bad people do mean stuff, because they can and because they know it teases (thanks Mr Dodgson).  

I think all you've done is conclusively prove that griefers can grief and LL will not always or effectively stop it.

I hope your week gets better.

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6 hours ago, MahriM said:

 I literally just downloaded this game completed the tutorial and moved to the next area of tutorials and had someone pushing me away from the tutorial videos. my avatar is sitting on a horse so I don't think sitting will work for me so I just grabbed a blocker. now to see if I can be left alone long enough to make use of it

If the horse you are sitting on is a worn attachment (vis the new wearable bento horses available with the new starter avatars) then you are not actually sitting; you just look like you are.  Real sitting, whether on the ground or on a (non worn) chair/rock/whatever always works against pushing.  This has been a constant is sl for many years, and is not going to have changed lately

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4 hours ago, Prokofy Neva said:

I rarely lose any purchases on crowded sims while playing a gacha. I think that happened once in my entire Second Life. Meanwhile, it's the losses while I'm standing on a dead quiet sim and 15,000 items suddenly go in trash when I haven't pushed them there that I worry about.

Maybe the world just hates you, maybe you delete stuff in your sleep, maybe LL employees do it to troll you. It sure is a mystery, but I bet LL will be on it something fierce to make sure it never happens again.  Unless they don't.  You shouldn't worry about it though; that can be bad for you <concern trolling or real concern - hard to tell...or is it?>

I'm here all week; try the fish.

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3 minutes ago, Prokofy Neva said:

This is known as "concern trolling".

This is known as 'not really leaving when you said you would.'  Keep sputtering, you old softy

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1 minute ago, Prokofy Neva said:

That you have to ask this question and persistent annoyingly with it lets me know that you subscribe to the exodus option quite vigorously. As I said, it seems beyond you to understand why people criticize AND stay -- you don't really *like* criticism. That's why you find it "odd". I'm done with this conversation, you can keep sputtering.

bye Felicia

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Just now, Prokofy Neva said:

But I'm selling my own and commissioned creations, too. People browse an account and buy both gatchas and the other types of items. I don't see any reason why I need to segregate them because the MP doesn't work. The Lindens need to make it work, I don't need to compensate with workarounds.

You don't have to.  It was suggested as a way of making your life easier.  That's all.

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Just now, Prokofy Neva said:

Oh, come now. I'll bet you're the sort of person who proposes the exodus solution routinely and feels quite smug about it as you do it. How do I know that? Because you feel a compulsion to try to fathom why I don't leave and suggest I *should* leave if "I don't like it". That lets me know that for you, the exodus solution is the way to go. 

Well, you could trawl through my previous posts (there seem to be 300 of them) but just to save you time, no, I don't advocate that at all.  Sometimes, for some people, leaving is the best option.  But at no time do I suggest it.  I simply asked why you stay when you don't seem to like it.  Really, it's rather odd that anyone stays in a situation that makes them unhappy/annoyed unless they have to.

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2 minutes ago, Prokofy Neva said:

If you are in business, your avatar is your brand. Your avatar name is what everyone has in mind for questions or requests. This idea of offloading to other accounts may work for people pursuing a private Second Life. But if you are a public figure running a business it's not an option. It's a huge obstacle to work flow to have to log on the other account and make sure you have permissions given on both sides -- why? What's more effective is for the Lindens to fix their chronic inventory problems as in the long run, it will be central to their revenue plan. If they want content and not land to be the source of income, they have to do much more to secure it.

But lots of people have an alt to sell off gacha duplicates.  That's not your brand; it's selling second hand stuff from someone else.  

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Just now, Prokofy Neva said:

I always condemn the "exodus" plan for society that you're essentially endorsing.  "There's the door if you don't like it". It seems impossible for you to envision a society where people criticize -- even very sharply -- and try to change things -- gasp, imagine that! -- and remain in them. Even if it is futile. Because they believe in the principles. And that they might even stay in this imperfect (to them) society for all kinds of reasons. You're just on a different, conformist wavelength. You're bothered by conflict and criticism and you want it to go away. But it won't. 

I'm guessing the part where I said 'I'm not suggesting you SHOULD leave, if you still enjoy it and want to continue.'  didn't register?  I'm all for people working to improve things, and so long as you want to be in SL, more power to you   I'm not the slightest bit bothered by criticism or conflict; it's all part of life's rich tapestry.  As I was at pains to point out, I was just curious about YOUR motivation.

 

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2 hours ago, Prokofy Neva said:

Once again, I'm banned from the JIRA, so the JIRA is not something I can work on. I'm banned because I insisted that "return group-set objects on share" is a bug -- when the group is set to have the power to return set objects OFF -- while it is declared "a feature" by collective build-happy Lindens who want to "edit on the fly" and get rid of people's prims in their group they don't like. That this is havoc for group rentals doesn't bother them. The JIRA was a morass anyway. It's not a venue to get anything done other than little avatar feet shadows or something nerdy like that.

I thought about reporting but I realized that just as when I lost all my inventory that time, if I can't get them to see and act on my ticket immediately, it's pointless. A ticket aged even 24 hours will mean they likely can't see the thing that caused the dump. It took them more than 2 weeks even to answer my ticket on the lost inventory, and only jumping up and down in the forums worked -- and because other people they like had the same issue.

I don't know what "race" conditions are, but logging on is always a bag of surprises as you never know whether you will be back in gray squares, whether your clothes will have been stripped away, whether you will be put on one of those dumb adult "safe hubs", whether you will get logged out right away again with a "Darn!"  etc. I didn't do anything out of the ordinary. 

Anyway, I got the message here: stop listing things on the MP.

Prok, serious question.  You seem, (and I'll be happy to be corrected) to think that LL dislike you or consider you some sort of irritation, and you seem to rather dislike them too.  If this is so, why do you stay on SL?  Isn't it possibly going to cause you more perturbation and annoyance?  I have no personal axe to grind here, as I'm neither a Linden nor one of your customers, just curious.  I'm not suggesting you SHOULD leave, if you still enjoy it and want to continue.  As I said, I'm just curious. Anyway, I do wish you a happy weekend.

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Thanks for fixing my mistake there, Chase  xxxxxx

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There's a large monthly event called The Arcade and several other smaller events.  Many (most?) charity events/fairs also have a gacha section.

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Do you recall if it was sung by a man or a woman?  It might be Hazard by Richard Marx