[I Am Not Your Manic Pixel Dream Girl]

16 hours ago, Gabriele Graves said:

I do it because I find it mostly enjoyable, nothing more, nothing less.  It is possible to enjoy interaction with others without being too preoccupied or concerned by the responses.  It isn't that I don't care at all, it's just that I don't put very much weight on it.

There was a time when I let online responses affect me much more.  I didn't like the effect it had on me and I withdrew.  I have learned not be like that any more.

You are, I think, a very wise vampire. That has also been a lesson that I've (almost) learned.

[I Am Not Your Manic Pixel Dream Girl]

39 minutes ago, Madelaine McMasters said:

She didn't pick the last name "Loon" for no reason, people.

There's far too much good-natured and amusing banter going on here.

Please cut it out, and get back to the DEADLY SERIOUS business at hand; namely, reinforcing my unquestioned assumptions about how text works in SL

Thank you.

 

[Help!!! Knee-High Boot/Jeans Combinations?]

3 hours ago, Ariel Vuissent said:

Blueberry also has a couple pairs of jeans made to work with specific shoes from Reign; the ones that come to mind are the Pizza jeans. Possibly worth a look.

Thanks Ariel! I haven't specifically checked out Blueberry yet, but I will. I don't know Reign at all.

Thanks in no small measure to the help here, and to additional assistance (and a giftie!) from @Rhonda Huntress (thank you so much Rhonda!), I've cobbled something pretty satisfactory together, but the quest for good boots, and things to wear with them, will continue unabated! I am VERY grateful to everyone here who contributed!

Onward and bootwards!

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5 hours ago, Claireschen Hesten said:

While Blueberry has been mentioned they do sell jeans with a built in boot option and *COCO* does a jeans/boots combo set. if your buying jeans that include system sizes you might be able to get away with the smallest size if the boots are really tight fitting applier jeans are the only thing that will work there are a number on the marketplace such as these from Larry https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/LARRY-JEANS-Dollarbie-Pack-Classic-OMEGA-Sink-Maitreya-Mesh-Project/5605223

This is really useful! I'll check out *COCO* (who I'll also be looking at for jacket/top combo, so that's handy: one-stop shopping!)

Thank you!!

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8 minutes ago, Bree Giffen said:

Honestly, I think I come across the same in-world. I use full sentences while chatting which I've been told is quite remarkable in SL. 

Mostly, I do. Except in certain contexts, which is one of the reasons why I created this thread. It was odd to suddenly realize that there were situations where I frequently didn't.

I've often thought that a sign of the importance of text communication in SL is the degree to which people who are reasonably articulate (and correct) writers often dominate social situations. Anyone can be "beautiful" or "handsome" in SL: the most that is required is a modicum of taste and deep enough pockets. But the ability to communicate well by text isn't something everyone is capable of mastering.

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king?

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9 hours ago, Ceka Cianci said:

I giggle all the time..Always have and always will I guess..It's just a habit..

Ceka, honestly, you have (for me) one of the most expressive and distinctive voices here. It's one I've had a long time to get to know, and one that always makes me smile. And part of that is most definitely your "heheheh"s. 

Whatever you're doing, it works. ?

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11 hours ago, KanryDrago said:

Please no Lindens don't look at this and think its a good idea, gestures are bad enough without giving idiots even more ways to annoy

I think I agree. I'm not really big on gifs and so forth myself. But I suppose if they were in private IMs only, and not in public chat, it would be tolerable. 

I do sort of wish there were a way to format chat more precisely than emote, shouts, or whispers though. It might make it a bit more expressive.

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4 minutes ago, LittleMe Jewell said:

This is why I still sometimes wear applier jeans

AH HAH!!!

And yay! 

But I have no idea how to find applier jeans. Hmmm.

[Help!!! Knee-High Boot/Jeans Combinations?]

14 minutes ago, janetosilio said:

Addams and blueberry just did a great collaboration with jeans boots and a top.

I’m usually anti fat packs, particularly when they hide the best colors and patterns in them, but this one was actually worth it for the jeans and boots alone. The boots come ankle length, knee length and thigh length and the hud has great colors for both the jeans and boots.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/addamssl/44026334374/in/faves-146578105@N08/

 

Oh wow. Ok, these are pretty close.

Addams and Blueberry are both makers I've been looking at for jacket/top combos, so this is useful! 

Thank you!!!!

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Hi,

I'm not sure if I'm asking this in the right forum, but etc. etc. etc.

Ok, so. I've just decided to leap ahead 6 or 7 years, and actually try mesh. I've got myself a Slink Physique body, hands, and feet (*yawn* amirite?), but I'm having some problem with the clothing. 

What I want is knee-high or mid-calf length boots (Doc Martens sort of things, perhaps, flat or with low heels) and jeans (preferably worn and/or a bit ripped. But not with the butt hanging out or anything).

I know that it's next to impossible to "layer" mesh clothing, which is why the jacket/top combos I've been looking at make sense. But I can't seem to find jeans/boots combinations. Surely I'm just not looking in the right places? Or do people only wear high boots with bare legs???

Your highly knowledgeable assistance would be GREATLY APPRECIATED.

(As payment, please feel free to laugh at the 10 year old avatar who is only now trying mesh. Go ahead: all of my friends are!)

[I Am Not Your Manic Pixel Dream Girl]

8 hours ago, Ivanova Shostakovich said:

I sometimes feel I lack the ability to really see myself, to objectively describe myself.

Yes! And even if we do "see ourselves," we may be deluding ourselves by reading our intention, or what we know to be an underlying emotion, or intention, or truth about ourselves, in what we are saying and how we are saying. We are really, even the most self-aware of us, trapped in our own subjectivity (as Maddy more or less said above).

 

8 hours ago, Ivanova Shostakovich said:

But as I get to know someone, and likewise as they get to know me, that distinction breaks down and blurs until there is only one voice.

So, sort of "public" and "private."

Probably true of me, but with variations within those two categories.

[I Am Not Your Manic Pixel Dream Girl]

1 minute ago, Bree Giffen said:

My real time chat in SL is much more informal compared to composing a forum post. The people I meet are usually informal as well. 

That, I guess, is true probably of most of us. Most of the time, anyway?

Does that mean that "Bree" here is different than "Bree" in-world, in some way? (I don't think I've ever met you in-world.)

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8 hours ago, Maryanne Solo said:

All I know is that those who know me, (both geminis ^^), understand that if I make even one typo, that means I am emotionally, & mentally exhausted.

This reminds -- as I had forgotten -- of a few instances in the long-ago past in-world where I found myself particularly emotionally overwrought. And I seem to recall (although maybe this is just my highly coloured memory) my typing -- and my language -- just kind of falling apart.

Ugh. Not good times.

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10 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

The voice in my head is sexy as sin, so I’m lucky.

Particularly if turning yourself on is your main objective?

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10 hours ago, Gabriele Graves said:

Definitely different internal voices for different moods, contexts, subjects, etc.

I'm going to venture a guess that we all do that, to some degree. Maybe we sort of "hear" ourselves speaking in our heads as we text?

10 hours ago, Gabriele Graves said:

I am never sure how the things I say are perceived or what impression they give though.

Yeah, and that's the question. Part of the problem is that we also don't have complete control over how they are perceived by others, right? Part of it is our skill in imparting emotion, mood, and personality -- but any communication is a two-way street. So, we need our "auditors" to also be "good readers."

 

10 hours ago, Gabriele Graves said:

However I don't really care that much either as I post for myself more than for any other.

Now, that's interesting! I don't think there is anything wrong with that (and I do lots of "social" things for myself), but why speak publicly if you don't care who hears, or what they think of it?

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8 minutes ago, Madelaine McMasters said:

I think you and others here would be the best to say if and how I've established my personality, and whether I speak with any authority.

Well, I can confirm the authority. I'm not here very much anymore, of course, but my very strong sense is that you have an immense amount of authority. Sort of a beloved aunt or den mother.

But SEXY. A sexy aunt or den mother. With authority. And sexiness.

10 minutes ago, Madelaine McMasters said:

I don't know if I have voices.

I think you have one of the most distinctive voices here. (And your avi matches PERFECTLY with that, btw.) It is a beautifully modulated voice, and pretty consistent . . . but maybe also for that reason a little scary? Because, although I've never seen you really cut loose (and I've seen you in situations where you had enough provocation to justify it), I imagine your tongue would lacerate. Really, all the more, because you've established such a reasonable and authoritative voice. God knows, I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end. I have absolutely no problem believing that you have been considered "high maintenance": people think they have to work to earn your approbation. What they may not realize is that your generosity will preserve them from the lashing they probably deserve. (I can affirm this because there have been instances where I know that *I* deserved at the least a scolding from you. And you managed instead to reassure me.)

 

19 minutes ago, Madelaine McMasters said:

It's all done subconsciously, based on context, limited to my comfort zone.

Yeah, this is mostly me. Although sometimes I pay attention to myself. Today was one of those days.

20 minutes ago, Madelaine McMasters said:

During my years in community theater, if I was to play a role that wasn't substantially me, I'd have to imagine being someone substantially different. I found that difficult, so I only played characters within my range.

Again, this is me too. Which is why I never tried RP in SL, and why I failed so miserably at adopting a credible male voice as Richard Parkes, and had to resort to parody.

24 minutes ago, Madelaine McMasters said:

You've used alts to banter with yourself and I recall you've done dialogs to bring the spontaneity of banter to a single post. While that may be a calculated thing for you, it's natural for me.

In that context it sort of has to be calculated, for me anyway. It's a form of creative writing, in some ways. I actually prefer that to the sort of semi-conscious ways I can slip in and out of different voices, precisely because I have control when it's calculated and deliberate. I am mildly disturbed when I find that I am "adapting" to a context without being aware of it. I want to KNOW who I am being. And I want conscious control over it.

26 minutes ago, Madelaine McMasters said:

58 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

I'd love to know how often I misread people's moods from their words.

Every time, Scylla. Every damn time.

*sigh*

Yeah . . .

[Do you think you are an interesting person in SL?]

7 minutes ago, Madelaine McMasters said:

C'mon, where's your nefarious confidence, Scylla?

Ya know? . . . good question. Hmmm.

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4 minutes ago, Parhelion Palou said:

I'd do my best to appear uninteresting

Zzzzzzzzzzz

(JOKING!!!!)

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3 minutes ago, Dillon Levenque said:

I begged Maddy to send me a TP but she ignored me. It was awful ;-).

Yeah, she can be like that, can't she? Next time, go over her head and message Snugs.

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1 minute ago, Dillon Levenque said:

Wow, look at you, all Ms. Popularity! Nobody ever sends ME any messages like that :-(.

I used to get them, and ones much worse, a LOT, back in my rabble-rousing days. Although back then, it was mostly via in-world IMs.

I treasure them all, and have a wall with framed copies of the very best ones!

(I really knew Laskya had "arrived" when I started getting a few for her!)

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6 minutes ago, Dillon Levenque said:

I probably use two 'voices' when I'm here, or any other time I'm 'talking to myself': one voice takes pains to be serious and maybe even a bit formal, one is casual. Because I love the sight of my own words so much I checked my profile for a couple of recent examples.

Serious: "I recently started getting back inworld pretty regularly after being almost entirely absent for about five years. I kept in touch with some friends via one method or another, and I kept in touch with SL mostly via forums. But I just couldn't seem to take the time to get inworld. It took a spell in the hospital to bring me back. Not that a near-death experience gave me a Second Life vision or anything; I wasn't in serious condition..."

Casual: "Took me a long time to get past Clover's kitty pictures up there; I kind of got fixated on this one. I think if you can look at this without smiling or having an 'aww' moment or whatever you want to call it, you might not be mammalian."

I wouldn't use things like 'kind of got fixated' or 'aww' or even 'whatever' when I'm being serious. Also, when I'm casual I indulge my habit of leaving prepositions off sentence starts, as in "Took me a long time..." instead of "It took me a long time...".

When I'm inworld I go with short sentences or at least single-sentence comments, just as several people have already described. In an active multi-person chat scene like the Atomic Palace on a Saturday night (shameless plug for a friend's place) you have to be brief or the conversation will pass you by. Also I swear a lot; can't do that here.

I think this actually describes pretty well the way that I modulate my voice on the forum (although not in-world: I have more variations there, I think). I can get pretty silly here, too . . . although, when I do, it is most often very deliberate and somewhat akin to roleplay.

PS. What's Atomic Palace?

PPS. I'm sorry you didn't join Maddy today, and come by to say hi!

[I Am Not Your Manic Pixel Dream Girl]

1 hour ago, Callum Meriman said:

It's fairly subconscious.

I really do try to constrain my dominant voice to just a small number of people. With them, I make a conscious choice to start using it, from there it sticks. As for my non-dominant casual voices, one for friends, one for club, one for strangers... the situation, mood, and avatar I am in sets the tone, manerisms, and cadence I use. That's mostly subconscious, although I am sometimes aware of it, especially if I want to make a point.

As an example of making a point; to deal with some club drama I might let my dominant voice to take control. Or if someone is hurting to really soften myself to be non-threatening, open, small, and fluffy.

On the other side, after a few hours talking to other people they are invariably assigned a unique head-voice as well. When their cadence changes I hear the emotion, and experience suggests it's fairly accurate. I've certainly observed most people will use a different cadence subconsciously, so once you know them you have the empathy to decode that small change. Consider: How many times does one ask a sad friend "Are you ok?" after sensing something in change of cadence of words, even if they don't say it in words?

Wow. This is a really detailed, and (for me, anyway) pretty accurate account of both using and hearing different voices. (Except for the dom voice: I don't have one of those. I just get screechy.)

I'd love to know how often I misread people's moods from their words. I know I occasionally have. And occasionally, people misread ME, although I don't think generally I'm very subtle. For instance, when I get sulky (VERY VERY RARE), you'll know it.

[Do you think you are an interesting person in SL?]

I thought I was uninteresting . . . BUT I'M NOT!!

Checked my feed for the first time in, like, a year today, and I got fan mail!!!

Someone thinks I'm "interesting"! In a way . . .

 

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48 minutes ago, Callum Meriman said:

Absolutely different "voices" depending what I want to do. Cadence is something I believe people can pick up.

Casually, I like to use shorter lines
so that people don't get too bored
and start typing a reply
which is something they will do if one is writing a long screed
unless they have turned on talking dots...
which of course needs a TPV because the LL view viewer is broken...
I think it can sound likely sound breathless or excited or playful
depending on the cadence I've use.
(This one likely sounds breathless - well it does in my head)

 

/me looks at them kneeling and places a hand on their head "However...
When I am in a more dominant position and expecting my subs to listen to my words and obey what I say
I completely replace my in-voice head with one that is slower, and - I think - more commanding as a result"
/me moves to my chair and sit, looking at them still kneeling "And by using emotes in front to increase the image
along with longer sentences, I think the result is quite different. It's certainly one that seems to work".

 

In roleplay, well, that is likely to spread to a paragraph and take upwards of 5 minutes. But roleplay is yet another set of voice.

Hmmm! Most people here seem to be suggesting that they use a uniform voice with only sort of marginal changes, like caps or length of sentence. I have no reason to doubt them, but your experience is closer to mine.

How conscious are you of shifting voice? I think I'm sort of conscious-unconscious. I'm aware I'm doing it but don't really think about why or how.

Also interesting is that you distinguish your Dom voice from RP. But that's probably a whole other thing!

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7 minutes ago, LittleMe Jewell said:

This - especially the last part. 

I write inworld mostly the same as I do online, except for hitting enter more frequently, rather than typing paragraphs.  I write inworld and in the forums in much the same way that I do for casual emails.  In all of those I tend to still attempt to properly use caps and at least semi/mostly correct grammar and phrasing - but it is casual, unlike my prim and proper work emails.

Lol

Poor Phil. I'm sure his mesh ears are incandescent right now, they're burning so brightly.