Kyrie Deka

October 30, 2023

3 hours ago, Matthieu Quander said:

So as long as you adequately hide the fact that you are breaking the covenant, it's okay because at that point a neighbor being nosy is the greater transgression?

We've kind of beat this to death by now, aye?

I'm sorry but I just never read anyone saying that at all. I read them saying, make your own decisions, police your own house, take your risks like they take theirs *if the Lindens care - and they just may not care much*, take your punishment from the Lindens if they do, and don't be a bonk-head and burden your neighbors visuals.

To be honest, I think the covenant the last time I read it, mentions a version of both, and if it does then yes, both are wrong.

October 28, 2023

9 hours ago, Jaylinbridges said:

The official Kittycats open help group now has 23,648 group members. There are probably twice that many that own kittycats but do not care to be in the official group, because they never breed them, and might only have one of the free permapet cats that are sometimes available at the main store.

And one of them is me. Just testifying to fact. I'm good with facts. Perceptions? A scary way to punish society is on perceptions. Judgment on perception is why we have incarcerated the wrong people, and tens-of-years later after we - community RL - have stolen their youth and choices for decades, we then see them released/proven wrongfully jailed. Give me facts (lag) or specific literal rule in the covenant, and (for good or bad) the rule is what it is.

October 27, 2023

3 hours ago, Nika Talaj said:

There seems to be some perception that anyone who sends an AR views themselves as governance police.

In my experience, this doesn't seem to be a common perception. There are reasons to send ARs which issue rises to the level of intrusion upon one's own owner/rental space which should be sent. Everyone decides what that level is for themselves. And as ARs are between a user and Lindens only, none can be "wrong".

October 27, 2023

11 hours ago, Jaylinbridges said:

But if there is NO problem, and you are in no way affected, why is it your business to send AR's to Governance? Is this some kind of sadistic hobby for some people?

They created rules based on worst cases, and mainly because the number of homes/region is so high, that if Everyone rented a home in the region, and they ALL wanted to have breedables, then depending on the breedable, the region would lag. Of course nothing like that would ever happen. And if it did, 1 chance in 10,000, they could simply take action.

I do not support breedable farms in SL, btw, because some breeders have no idea what they are doing, and could create a mess of physical moving animals all bumping into each other. But for pet owners, and those who simply buy a pair of breedables, and want an offspring, the TOS prevents this. If SL was the RL government, would they put a limit of 1 child/household, because you know, kids playing can be noisy and bother the neighbors?

Well said.

And TBH, we forget sometimes that there are users who do not come to SL every day for hours and hours, year after year. I mean, could this be a new user came in, rezzed two pets out and they have not been able to log back in due to RL for a few weeks/months?

October 27, 2023

13 hours ago, UnilWay SpiritWeaver said:

Like, it's just not done in polite society.

But to give a maybe more serious reason - land fairness. If everyone could put their shops in linden homes they can get without paying to get the land, a lot of folks might, and the land you have to buy might dry up (and they could just put those shops in skyboxes to be able to style the look of them).

Now I don't know if the breedables are very laggy still, or the vendors... but the perception is there.

*Waves Hi!*

Your position and reasoning understood. My reasoning would be different. Prior stated, no value at regurgitating. We agreed in one part of your statement, and I am absolutely fine and sure you are also, that we live different roles here. We each evolve in our own way over the years here. To each, yours and mine, their own. Cheers to the thinking folk!

October 27, 2023

13 hours ago, UnilWay SpiritWeaver said:

is worse than... disco

Made me smile!!

October 27, 2023

14 hours ago, Polenth Yue said:

If you don't report a problem with a region, it'll just stay broken. They need people to help out and let them know when there are problems or things that will become problems. They wouldn't have created the rules if these things were not becoming problems.

I'm not a fan of trying to shame people for caring about their stuff in Second Life. It's okay to care about things that are not life-threatening. That includes wanting a region where we have a virtual house to run smoothly, to not get randomly teleported home, and other things like that. I hit an instant ban/teleport orb during the hunt and it messed up my viewer to the point of needing a clean install. Which won't kill me, but I'd rather not.

*Waves Hiya*

You and I naturally agree that reporting should be done. In my case, what is, is what is, unless it is extreme. Broken functionality also already has its place to report. You and I agree on that, absolutely. And we do not disagree that the Lindens do need help identifying functionality. I believe what we disagree on sounds like non-functional things. Kitty Kats in hovertext-only static boxes lined up on the floor doesn't seem to be breaking anything but a covenant rule * (and I might even debate that I would have to reread a lot to be sure first) . Lag "possibility" as a break? I dunno, I've always considered that on the users end: Tweak your pc, connections, isp, etc. and if that don't work, um, move. And I have time and again, and raised my living circumstance. I believe we Agree on a lot there.

What we might seem to disagree on is on me (a User) reporting the non-extreme behavior of others, in their own rented/owned place, doing their own thing within those boundaries. Lindens have not hired me to do that, have not asked me to do that, and so I choose to not. Covenants are structures, and again, I've not been hired to be the Covenant police, and my job is that me-myself-and-I go by any Covenants I agree to go by. Again, functionality breaks are a completely different discussion. If someone placed their huge Kitty Kat over *my* property line and it didn't go poof when I set it to auto-return, that's an extreme, and extreme enough that I would feel the need to contact the owner 1st, and if weeks and no response, then report it and would. If it was inside their own rented/owned parcel and not on mine? I would not report it. It is not my job, until its my job. Yes, volunteers are needed, RL and SL, naturally, I volunteer, but I volunteer to do the job asked of me. I don't volunteer to do job 1, then walk in and self-expand my power to "owner" without being given that by the owner(s).

To me, and I hope to you, as we are thinking folk, I certainly believe its fine that we play and report differently. And you can bet, when the Lindens contact me to ask me to do it as a job specifically, I would do the job. And if those reporting have been hired by the Lindens to do a job, then we would agree I suspect the one being asked/agreeing to be the behavior police should do it, including camming in to other's properties. But I've never seen a Linden directive to report a similar issue in this way through these forums.

October 26, 2023

On 10/24/2023 at 11:28 PM, Jaylinbridges said:

would like the option to have more than 2 pets in Belli. Just because they were once also breedables, that aged into pets that became permapets (do not need to eat or get sick) I like to have them around, and since they interact, 2 pets is not enough.

I get this and agree completely! I ended up with several permapets over the years that I was just soooo attached to!

October 26, 2023

It feels that unless a situation is a risk criminally or truly catastrophic to one's RL environment, then minding ones own business seems the best way to go.

Honestly, I'm not sure I see the breaking of covenant rules as much worse than the camming into someone else's rented/owned home then taking/sharing pics of it with non-Lindens publicly. Much the same to me.

Truly if it mattered much and those scripts threw the lag meter seriously, I highly suspect the Lindens would notice in some way and put a stop to it without need for any one of us to report it. And if not, if it isn't a real barn burner for the Lindens then it feels like it shouldn't be for me.

October 7, 2023

On 10/5/2023 at 4:46 AM, Pierre Ceriano said:

K / And guess what? All these people being shown old, outdated stuff think that's what SL is and that's all that exists so they get discouraged. True, and I hope that Linden Labs' decision to clean up the SLMP will have beneficial repercussions. And also

This triggered my experience yesterday.

Not to call out anyone's gold-label designs (which I truly hope were posted 10+ years ago and not yesterday in their MP shops)...

but

So I was shoppin MP, and lookin through shoes,

and um, *there it was* ad-after-ad - those *sandals* with the crickey-jaggedy-toe from like 2010 that were like beginner prim bits linked with solid colors on them (not textures) and massive bling like the world is ending... know the ones I mean?

I mean, I recall a time they were a good portion of "shoes" to choose from.. I was so much younger then.

But yesterday - are you kiddin me -

I thought, what benefit *in any way* or *for any current body* or *for SL retention* or to attract an "artist*, would any one of those was it 30 pair/ads of those sandals that I pulled up in a simple MP search be a plus for? Who could wear them I don't care if they cost zero or L10 or whatever -

why are those things still up anywhere, anyhow, and why?

I mean, do we think 150 ad pages of those 2000-ish shoes spider'd in by Google, rather than pulled down until someone manually "claims them" again, is gonna bring us one more subscriber?

April 5, 2023

So... ummmm... is watching Second Life Blog posts, and the forums, being a Premium subscriber, and all emails to my email inbox, not enough of an official place to "learn" about these things? I have to be on Twitter to learn about these things now too?

The answer to that may make me rethink more than I had planned this week so far.

Was Twitter the only place this official announcement was made? Surely not, and I just missed it.

April 4, 2023

So I was shopping.

I routinely keep 10 items in my cart and switch out if I find a better option(s) etc.

Today, pre-purchase, I spontaneously decided I wanted to also send a gift, and it let me add that item to the cart.

= 11 items in cart.

I am used to receiving the message [Cannot add more than 10 items to cart].

Would it have let me purchase 11, or does the error now come later on in the purchase process?

Did I miss a part of an announcement that there is no longer a 10 item max on the MP cart?

March 10, 2023

2 hours ago, Wulfie Reanimator said:

when you search something by quotes, you will only get products with that exact sequence of words.

I am having RL cake, funfetti, sooooooo good. Glad I didn't have to shop for stuff on MP to make it.

Whatever the disconnect, has this issue really lasted all week, is it really Friday?

Spenders should not have to work that hard to hand their Lindens over.

March 10, 2023

Hmmm

Trying the quotes today, same example, I type with quotes:

"Hourglass top" > Search

and *then* select yes-C M T and Exclude Demos > Search

It returns (a total of) 20 items only. Which of course that makes me smile. I can think of one seller alone...

I type in without quotes:

Hourglass top > Search

and *then* select yes-C M T and Exclude Demos > Search

It returns 104 pages now, and I am set at 96 ads per page. Yah the 50 page max in this case appears removed.

But I only found that many ads by searching without quotes

I would like to believe someone reconsidered the use of quotes by shoppers.

So with quotes is only finding a very very very very select few where at first skim of the 20 found I don't see why it did find those (and not the thousands of others)...

ADDING:

I then go to the first seller's shop that comes to mind that I know has likely thousands of "Hourglass tops" FP and:

searching without quotes: hourglass top + yes CMT + no demos, finds 31 pages. = this is what the with quotes/all categories same-search criteria missed? Skimming this sellers page 1 returns, who I regularly purchase from, I believe most or all perhaps of the found ads 96 a page x 31 pages sell hourglass tops.

searching with quotes: "hourglass top" + yes CMS + no demos, finds 2. Not 2 pages. 2 items. = again, why is with quotes finding almost nothing?

I just keep coming back to the same thing, and there must be a reason, but why is this not being worked through in a testing environment? And using a subset of well-written text-laden longtime seller ads with [corrected keywords used].

I mean we can second guess all kinds of stuff, but even best case hit-or-miss testing in a live environment will always be impacted by the many (bears repeating many) ads existing on MP that have keywords that are just blindly used in all ads regardless of item, and those will return stuff that "looks wrong" when testing, and the easy guess is to say "search" is hosed, when instead it is keywords entered wrong in ads.

As long as no clean-up has been done on ads with bad keywords, I ask myself how in the world would a project team test properly, thoroughly, efficiently an updated search set-up, when the ads are so broken. I feel for whatever team is working on fixing it in live. This way testing seems like spittin in the wind.

March 10, 2023

I recall both sides in my own searches: Times I wanted the owners store more than third-party sellers, and times I did not (usually because the owner of a brand had more inworld than MP).

I ask myself why not just add one more "exclusion" checkboxes, next to demos and Limited Quantities, to not include/remove both "shop names" and "seller names" from the search results. Then I can invoke it, or not, at every search. 3 seems not too busy/many in that area.

I presume that was considered because it seems an obvious option, but for some reason could not be implemented.

March 9, 2023

And I noticed that changing from Relevance to Best Selling, with pages set to return 96 items...

Results on the page show all but one item are over L$1k ?

That isn't really what we want newer first-time-shoppers seeing they must have to buy clothes at MP? First impression is that they need that much to spend on average?

How are we determining from entering

Hourglass top

then changing to Best Selling

what is on page one of the 96 returns?

Not saying those aren't lovely things, all gah-jus really. When I'm in the mood, I spend that. But not my first outing in search.

So on search returns page one, are we pulling from a table with "top ten sellers overall" and then weighing heavier all of their items? That may make sense given the returns, but if so, isn't that "Best Selling Sellers", where "Best Selling" infers items not sellers? A bit misleading if so. Those prices are well deserved, but absolutely not the median price for a well-made outfit with hud on MP.

If I were a semi-new shopper/user and the first thing I see on that is wayyyyy out of my early-purchases budget, I'd forget about MP all together for a long while. Again beautiful stuff, worth the price, but where are ****any**** of the L$299 mid to L$399 higher great sellers out there on page 1 search returns?

March 9, 2023

Blog update: We have removed the 50-page cap on search results. Our statistics showed that few people look at higher-numbered pages. In addition, page load time is increased by loading more result pages into memory. But you have spoken, and we’re removing the cap.

We have removed, past tense, so I presumed it was already a thing.

But I am still getting 50 pages max.

I am not sure how I feel about yes/no the max on search results pages, except that I know there are other issues I wish were farther up the priority list to work through than this.

If it helps I searched just now/typed in

Physique Dress

then separately

Hourglass top

and both showed exactly a 50 page return max with a dead end on page 50.

EDIT: Selected dropdowns: All categories, and Maturity Levels General, Moderate only.

March 8, 2023

After whatever change was made to MP, changing the Items (viewed) Per Page on the shopping pages to max/96, now also changes the zero/demo items > Sales Pitch Page to 96.

Before the change, it never seemed to be 96. Much shorter.

And I actually used to notice/buy some things here/there on that Sales Pitch page too. I mean, I scrolled down a lot slower.

Not now: I cannot scroll down fast enough to move ahead past 96 items!

It appears I will never see, nor care to, any of those items ever again. I now lunge and swipe that scrollbar down to get the purchase done.

Perhaps its just me that finds I am doing that now?

Feedback: Yuk

February 19, 2023

Just happened to me as well. I paid using the Marketplace "Buy Now" button > looked as it always looks > money pulled from FS L$ total and shows as an invoice number in Account > Transactions and takes me to the final confirm page where I click through to my Marketplace Invoices. I click that link, and it is not listed as either a pending/delivered.

I will wait awhile, and if invoice #1601793401 does not appear in my Marketplace Account purchases showing pending/delivered, I presume I will need to file a support ticket. On a Sunday. And make sure I have my Transactions > Invoice info ready in case I have to file.

Grid status page shows all is well. I guess at least for two of us over the last 30 minutes, it wasn't.

November 16, 2022

22 minutes ago, Rick Daylight said:

wse/SUP-27008

You mean we could have had this worked out much sooner than the weeks I've dealt with it at every login?!

November 16, 2022

12 hours ago, Rick Daylight said:

layer 8 means the user is the problem

Smilessss - I am at-one with layer 8 conditions. I filed a FS Jira 32417 a few days back on this issue when I got my most-bored with reloading inventory over and over, and then found this discussion. I haven't yet found the quick shutdown info to read again, so lacking in a clear understanding if that was a FS or SL etc change... And if it was already included in the current FS Release, I never had any too-soon issue at all on that one.

November 15, 2022

I should have also included that for many many months consistently, on the (current) FS Release, not once have I had any inventory not loading issues at login. Not one time. I am generally inworld daily all year, at least one login and commonly more than once daily. So my inventory being "flat" (if it was, and it is not) has not been the issue on the Release (and Releases before it), and nothing else here on this pc or my habits has been the issue for the FS Release (and prior Releases) for a very long time. It seems before the Release Candidate my inventory etc. was situated to work very well at login.

On 11/14/2022 at 1:33 PM, Ardy Lay said:

Just curious, why do you log in again soon after logging out?

Oh and wanted to share on this too. There are many good practice reasons or forced reasons for relogging. I test using my alts. I log out of one account and back in quickly to an alt to test etc. On the Release (and prior Releases) this worked fine for a long long time. Too, I change skins on the FS viewer, sometimes to test other times to see if the contrast works better for me: It forces one to log out/back in to take effect. There are several choices in FS settings that force one to log out/in after selecting. There are updates to video cards and other software etc, that require or are best with a reboot after I am commonly on 13-14 hour days, and updates arrive during long days. There end up being a lot of reasons that I log out and back in quickly. I have 11 years of long days of habits inworld, so once I see the viewer go poof out of the corner of my eye, I automatically click to re-open the viewer. Habits can be redirected, but it would help retrain me if I could actually "see" when the viewer was done.

And today I actually put this to test. Since forcing myself not to shut the pc down, and not to jump to reopen the viewer, both for a full 5 minutes after viewer close, I have not had one inventory fail. 5 minutes pause is safest - if I jump any sooner and it is too soon, I have the inventory issue all over again. 5 minutes per login, shutdown, or leaving for a RL errand, will seem like a very long time. But its certainly better than the 15 dedicated minutes per login spent reloading my inventory from scratch on a quiet sim unable to TP until done

November 14, 2022

This plagues me now on Release Candidate (and the beta before it). I began to suspect it was due to my relogging and not waiting long enough to reopen the viewer (= I receive the [FS already running...] notice). As in something is interrupting cache finals at logout, so I log back in to only a partial inventory. My viewer goes poof instantly at logoff, but takes another 2+ minutes to finish whatever it does after that. And because I cannot tell when FS is done, I frequently try a bit too soon to reopen the viewer. I never really shutdown Win11 fast after FS logout. But I receive that [already running] reject notice often. Way above my paygrade, but I better figure out something pretty quick because if not then reloading a large inventory at every single login appears to be in my future now

And I just intentionally logged out of FS/didn't wait and immediately shutdown the pc, restarted, logged in, and yup orange cloud+ 1/6 my inventory only again.

August 24, 2022

I would like an option to block objects by owner name. Wow would I love that.

E.g. An out-of-my-ideal theme huge "skybox" with standard black outer walls shows and kinda bums me out on my parcel's best sky view. Theme-inconsistent and highly noticeable. So I right click Derender+Blacklist (Firestorm). LOL inside that now removed outer wall are floors of scattered furniture etc. that now show floating wildly in the air, much worse than the black wall. I can take X minutes of my life finding every little tiny object and its shadow and right-click-derender+blacklist (joke is on me, when they re-rez, it all comes back), or I can hope to ignore it. In my dream world, I would like to right click see who owns that building first > Derender all owned from [this named avi]. Poof goes all owned by that avi. If I like what that does, I TP away and back, do again but this time pick Derender+Blacklist. Or gee, even makING the "block" feature do more than block communication - I can see benefit to blocking communication+objects they own.

June 25, 2022

I see somewhat Splayed fingers, and cannot see feet. Quite frankly, I dealt with system avi heads a long long time quite happily (thanks to skin sellers). And I could have gone forever with covering all the semi-ok curves and been happy (thanks again to developers/sellers). The face in my forum pic is my old system avi. But the feet and hands were just the worst and dealing with them or covering them up was just such a bummer during the entire experience inworld, even with add-on feet/hands really. The only real upgrade was when BOM was added and I received a full body version. Competitive hands and feet easily used and shown with clothes and shoes will make this great. It occurs to me that it is unfortunate with all the options already broken-in available, that SL did not just offer to buy one of the already made super-bodies (to then be used with already developed and selling clothes). I presume it was seen as more cost-effective to develop their own. But the time saved seems like it would have been huge to counteract that, and releasing it with almost instant success to a good portion right at the start. Perhaps they offered and no one wanted to sell, but I might doubt that. And in all cases, success with it to make any difference at all (beyond just another glaringly identifiable default newbie-looking avi), requires widespread participation of developers/sellers who will sell the products made for a "newbie" level inexpensive price.

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