[Art in Second Life]

14 hours ago, Prokofy Neva said:

but generally I find it a very good scene that is insufficiently covered, in part, ironically, because there is no good art criticism around SL.

I find this so very true. 

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5 hours ago, Prokofy Neva said:

A key reason that I haven't put paintings inside furnished rentals is because most people want to put their own screenshots of themselves or their friends, or their own art which they upload hopefully from Public Domain images like the Old Masters but frankly even if they copy something for their own use they are unlikely to be chased these days.

In the earlier days of SL, there were a number of stores that sold Public Domain art like your Mona Lisa -- the classics. Carl Metropolitan used to have one but he isn't so active any more. I have land next to a giant one in the sky in Leelight -- I know there is another giant tower blighting the view on 4 beach sims out there somewhere. Search is broken unless you have Firestorm and even there you might not find it. I will try to get a link to that one in Leelight.

I think you will find there are more people than you realize making bank from Public Domain. In fact some of the Art Korner HUD galleries have sections selling Public Domain.

Yes The Kondor Art Center," Carelyna's "ArtCare" are great -- there are also non-English speaking ones - Hispanic, French, Russian, Chinese, Japanese etc -- which I highlight on my card of "RL sims in SL" called "International Bazaar" available in Ross at the Memory Bazaar. inside the big building with the stairs near the landing.

 

 

Thanks so much!

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5 hours ago, Prokofy Neva said:

Well, exactly, this is how I myself make art. I take a whole bunch of gatchas and plaster them together. So I have this one called GAMESTONK about the tragedies surrounding that overheated stock debacle which I had to take down as it was too many prims, and other ones. I'm amazed that more people don't make art with the found objects of gatchas. They're perfect1 And that's why I want to do the Joseph Cornell Tribute, and you can see the beginnings of that here in Corsica Coast South.

In a way, all of SL is a Cornell box. BTW this is a great book about his life and his influence on every trend from the Dadaists to Pop Art. And to think he lived in Queens with his mother and disabled brother, rarely got out, and spent the last few years in his bathrobe eating snacks (btw to get you in the mood, pick up your free bathrobe and Little Debbie cakes at my little Mainland Appreciation Office in Corsica. He would have been perfect for SL! 

If you make collages or 3D art or anything approximating these trends, I am aiming to assemble works in time for the 50th anniversary since his death in December.

Drat! I have the Apple Fall Dolly Lamp and the Apple Fall Dolly Bed RARE but not the piano. You know he retired all his gatchas so they are worth a lot.

Maybe it's not fitting but it reminds me a bit of surrealism "Objects trouvés". I will check out the sims, thanks a lot!

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1 hour ago, Katherine Heartsong said:

Thank you both, but I want to clarify something that seems to be a misunderstanding about my art specifically.

In RL I do a variety of "styles" in a traditional way. If I could share my RL art sales website with you (I don't because I'm fearful of being outted as Kat to my RL friends), you'd see that I don't usually stick to one style, I play a lot, but have my obvious faves. I have a studio in my garage where I, however, mostly now do geometric minimalism, colour field, and abstract works, often larger scale. (I am doing a small landscape for my parents too, atm. Can't say no to dad, can you?) Traditional in the sense I'm using boards, canvas, brushes, etc.

The art I do for SL is quick experiments and scribbles/doodles I have fun creating. But I do not ... NOT ... use tools like MidJourney or DallE or Google's one to create them. I do not use computers to generate my art, I use digital art software and a Wacom tablet and pen to draw, paint, and create them exactly the way I do if I was painting in my garage. I have a massive Wacom tablet and pen (and a cool digital brush for my IPad) and use software like Painter, Krita, ArtRage, and PixelMator Pro to compose and create in exactly the I normally would, the only difference is that I am using digital brushes to paint. I have created more than 800 custom brushes over 20 years to get exactly the kind of effects I want for these programs. For example, I have about 10 different Gerhard Richter-inspired squeegee brushes. I use Pixelmator at the end to only adjust hue, saturation, colour balance, layering etc if I need to.

BTW, I have those brushes libraries backed up in FOUR places (two outside my home). Losing those would wipe me right back to the start of trying to create art on a computer.

I do not use any "filters" or automated AI art programs to create my work. I paint them, step by step. Composition, blocking, initial washes, broad details, then focus.

I have played with the latest one, MidJourney after I read one guy won in a digital art category, and that other discussion here, but found the results only so-so. While I am okay with using tools like that in a general and ethical sense and argued that they could create "art" because they are still under the finesse and direction of a human, it's not for me.

Thank you both for the recognition of what I and other artists do in  SL, I love getting any feedback from folks who visit my gallery in world. Even (especially?) if abstract isn't your cup of tea.

I was simply trying to clarify the difference between computer generated and using art software on a computer like any artist would.

 

Thank you!

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On 9/30/2022 at 6:31 PM, Scylla Rhiadra said:

It's rather telling, maybe, that discussions like this one seem inevitably to get bogged down in the "What Is Art???" conundrum.

In the west anyway, we've been arguing about that, vociferously, since at least Plato and Aristotle. I'm pretty sure we aren't going to be producing any new insights here.

Maybe it would be better to lay aside the whole "But is it art???" thing, which too often is about in/validating things we personally like/dislike anyway, and just speak in more inclusive terms about "creativity"?

We actually gain nothing by wandering around SL with sticky labels proclaiming "This is art. And this is art. And this. But NOT this!" I'm far more interested in hearing about the different things people are doing here than on slotting them into arbitrary cultural and political categories.

I agree, I have read many books debating that. I was interested in what residents consider meaningful as art sims in Sl.

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16 hours ago, Ayashe Ninetails said:

Cammino & Vivo Capovolto - use the Shared Environment for the best lighting experience.

SLURL

Flickr

 

Shui Mo Art Gallery (walk down the hallway and through the red doors)

SLURL

Thank you!

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On 9/30/2022 at 6:34 PM, Love Zhaoying said:

Probably we should have all just replied to your initial post, "Yes", and left it at that! 

(Some who replied did exactly that.  Others simply love to discuss things!)

Ha, point was also to get to know which sims you consider art. Otherwise, like when someone asks you if you know what time it is, you can always simply reply "yes". 

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On 9/29/2022 at 5:59 PM, Rowan Amore said:

Bryn Oh and Cica Ghost both do regions I consider art.

Thank you!

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7 hours ago, Arduenn Schwartzman said:

Are you implying with this question that there used to exist sims or cities in Second Life that I considered art (if you pardon my sudden bout of semantics)?

Also, how good would my answer be if your definition of art is dramatically different from mine?

I have a few simplistic, semi-serious definitions of art. On is:

- If I don't know what it is, it's art.

Another, more pragmatic definition I conjured up myself is:

- If a bored, rich or mentally insane (or both) person thinks it's worth to throw a significant portion of their wealth at it, it's art.

Someone once publicly referred to some of my creations in SL as art. I was actually shocked and confused and a little upset, even. I kinda thought it was an insult to real artists, but I did not protest, because I also realized they were just trying to be friendly and make a compliment.

Also, I think the perception of art has been poisoned by things like crypto and NFTs and that sort of scammy bs, so here's my final take on the original question, for the sake of protecting these sims and cities and any other artefacts in SL:

- No, there's absolutely no art in SL.

I imply nothing but he fact i used to know many more art sims in the past, that’s why i’m asking here to widen my knowledge. 
 

if your definition of art is dramatically different from mine, that would be a very good thing indeed. Diversity is great. 

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22 hours ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

I hear this kind of view occasionally. I recently told a guy in SL that I was a photographer here: his response was more or less, "Oh, so you do screen shots of beautiful things other people have made."

Even a photograph that appears to do nothing more than highlight the features or attractiveness of an object or scene crafted by someone else, as for instance a fashion blog post, involves aesthetic and even "artistic" choices with regard to composition, lighting, and form. Fashion photography is really not very different in SL from its approaches and function in RL.

This is a photograph by the much-celebrated American photographer Ansel Adams of a church. Some credit for its power and beauty surely belongs to whoever built the structure -- but this photography is "art" because of the choices the photographer made.

By way of parallel, below is an image in SL that I made. I am not about to insist (or even care) that anyone thinks of it as "art."

Whatevs, really.

But there is more to this composition than can be accounted for by the contributions of Legacy, Nutmeg, and Artemisia Gentileschi (who painted the piece of Mary Magdalene featured on the wall).

Photography is clearly an art of its own. You shouldn’t mind the occasional person making such comments. 

[Art in Second Life]

Hello everyone,

I see contemporary art, architecture, design, and nft's flourishing on other metaverse platforms, and feel Second Life is maybe not as new but still has major potential and overall quality for those fields.

But I am not sure I have a complete vision of that, so I ask you, are there still existing sims or cities in Second Life that you consider art?

Thank you in a advance!

 

[Hangars Liquides is closing (again)!!!]

36 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

I have a very good understanding of why governments support the arts. And I can see an argument for LL stepping in occasionally to preserve regions and sims that have an important historic value, or that add to the value of the platform in measurable ways.

But I'm not sure that Hangar Liquides qualifies. That would be up to LL to determine.

And that's not what you are here asking. You want residents to chip in.

And what's more, you are suggesting that only those who do will have access to the region. The model here is private patronage, not government sponsorship: you are talking about creating a private "club" for "patrons." If you succeed here, it will not benefit the entire platform, and it certainly won't be of any use to most of the people here, who will not have access to it.

This is rather like a would-be patron of the arts soliciting the general public for money so that they can buy an art work for themselves, which they will share only with those who contribute. A democratic deployment of art to society it is not.

Increasingly, I don't think this thread belongs here.

Maybe I was not clear, if so, please excuse me. If the city will be saved, it will be for everyone to access as usual. If not, it will be shrunk to one sim only. 

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15 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

Which, ok, maybe. But it doesn't really address the issue that Sam raised.

I'm not really big on the mystification of "artists" myself, as though they were some sort of "special breed" of human. It smacks too much of the elitism that came out of the 19th century and the Romantic movement.

Artists are labourers, like anyone else. They create things through labour. They have a particular talent, and it's a talent I treasure, to be sure. But they aren't "better" or "more special" than dressmakers or plumbers or teachers or anyone else who has a talent to produce something of value. And mostly we don't see such people demanding that special rules should apply to them.

I think art is an absolutely vital component of civilization and culture, and I recognize that governments are well advised to support the arts for all sorts of reasons. But that's not the same thing as the sense of entitlement that this smacks of.

When I say artists need to create, I don't mean they're better or worse than anyone, but, I think we all had this discussion years ago. 

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31 minutes ago, Sam1 Bellisserian said:

I'm actually surprised this is allowed on the forums at all.  I'm sorry but someone who has been pouring over $1,200 a month into SL and having to downsize to only one sim is not going through a hardship. They are doing what we all have to do and that is to cut down on their entertainment budget.  This is a cross between advertising and a gofundme. I think anyone that has a venue in SL should do so only if they have the money to fund it on their own without any donations.  Anything given should be seen as a gift and a blessing and not something that is expected to keep a region open.

 

Artists create not because it is entertaining, but because they have to.

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20 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

This is sort of my main reaction as well.

I feel for the owner, and I understand the kinds of economic pressures at play right now. And, I suppose . . . one can argue that this at least keeps the place around, maybe.

But keeps it around for whom? For those willing to pay upfront, and in RL cash.

I'm actually a bit surprised that there isn't more of this sort of thing in SL, but I think it's an unfortunate precedent, or if not precedent, it at least reinforces a pretty poor way to use SL.

The last thing I think anyone should want to see is a virtual world increasingly carved up into "pay-to-play" niches. Too much of that, and it will kill the platform.

There's plenty of membership only sims, clubs and beaches. Djehan poured money on 5 sims for 15 years,  I know she did out of love for people who could immerse in the city, and now cannot anymore. 

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3 minutes ago, EnchantrixWillow said:

Hangars has been part of my SL experience for the last 5 almost 6 years, I couldn't imagine second life without Hangars, I hope that things will get better and I will continue to support Djehan's work as much as I can. 💖💖💖

Thanks for donating Enchantrix ❤️

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1 minute ago, SkyWatcher Questi said:

This is so sad.       It's a beautiful build!

I love it all , but mostly the RAIN. 

Hoping Djehan, like everyone, pulls through these hard times relatively unscathed IRL.  ❤️

Thank you so much SkyWatcher!

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1 minute ago, AsariSunshine said:

I am sorry to see this beautiful sims are closing, I visited few times & always in aww at the decoration.

 

Thank you Asari!

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Hello all,

Hangars Liquides is sadly going. 

Djehan Kidd has always funded the city with marketplace sales, but the crisis makes it difficult for her to support it at the moment.

So, take your time to visit until it's there.

Landmark: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Hangars Liquides/134/133/2226

After September, 22, it will shrink down to the central sim (it's five sims now) and be accessible only to Patreon subscribers.

At Landmark you may want to donate, or you may want to subscribe to the Patreon she set up to avoid the closing:

https://www.patreon.com/hangarsliquides

In 2019 the city encountered similar problems and reached its financial goal to keep it alive. At the time and I set up a post in this forum which got a lot of suggestions and questions. In order to avoid answering them all again I link it here, you can consider it as a FAQ: 

 

So, thank you if you choose to donate and hopefully save the 5 sims, and thank you for reading this post if you choose not to.

Lawrence

 

 

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I don't get the dark screen but I do get significantly darker pictures than in the preview box. I've tried to fix with external lighting, but still not ideal. MacBook Air with M1, 8 giga 512 Ssd Hd, Osx Monterey 12,2,1

 

https://gyazo.com/572a15501ccfea668377034dd5e56777

 

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14 hours ago, Solar Legion said:

It needs to be presented - be it by the creator or a designated spokesperson.

I'll make my very last post here, because you seem very authoritarian in your judgements. Is that an order? So let me ask you, are you a moderator here, or are you in charge of any superior power in the forum? If so, please be so kind to state it. Or are you a forum member like anybody else? If the latter is true, then your opinions are as good as anybody else, and same goes when you say HL people fabricated things. I've read endless assumptions and fabrications not responding to reality, and all those seem okay to you. City supporters have come to me horrified by some of the users in the thread and even more committed to support. One last thing, I've read about discounts under the table, this has never been the case with HL, which has always paid all that was due. 

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1 hour ago, Fionalein said:

Lawrence revealed he was their official spokesman after I poked him about that

And here comes again the smearing machine! You didn't poke me, you asked, with your usual class and kindness (Who the hell are you?) And I simply answered. 

1 hour ago, Fionalein said:

he dodged the answers more than once

False again! I explained and explained and explained, and you kept going with assumptions. The only thing I didn't disclose (the technical problem) is one that involves LL and I am not going to give anyone the chance to smear a company that has been collaborative in a timely fashion. Once again, are you someone entitled to know? No. 

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3 hours ago, Fionalein said:

while Djehan remained suspiciously silent

Wow, Fiona's magic is back. "Djehan remained suspiciously silent" Bam! And all the people who are not attentive enough will think "Hey! This Djehan has something to hide!" What a trick! You're so clever and subtle. Let me answer you about that one: Djehan, as you may have guessed from the thread title, is busy saving the sim. She's talking to donors, to the press, she's even taking the time to kindly answer all the people visiting the sim and approaching her. Now Fiona, are you a donor? No. Are you one of the people who take the time to tp to Hangars and talk to her? No. Are you a Linden in charge of ruling over Hangars fate? No.

Why should she come talk to you? Are you the tribunal ruling over Hangars? No.

The only suspicion left, at this point, is why you put all this effort and energy in making continuous and malicious unfounded assumptions on Djehan Kidd and Hangars? 

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Last two posts go back to issues that have been already covered and explained, so please go back to the previous posts. Overall yearly costs are 6.000 and not 6.700.  A dear family member just got out of surgery room and is luckily fine so you will forgive me if I take a pause from this thread. Best to all. 

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1 hour ago, Alwin Alcott said:

what you describe here makes it absolutely no donation, this is a product you sell upfront, and if no delivery possible you get your payment back.
A donation is never refundable. Its given out of free will, with no future expectations, and for most not even for a specific cause, but free to spend by the receiver. With this temperatures it could be even for a icecream for staff.

Donations which are meant to specific no profit goals (in this case keeping the artwork alive by paying servers for a year) are always given back should such target not be reached. That is a very common no profit practice aimed at transparency and clarity towards the donors. 

Edit: in this case the minimum goal is 3.000, which are due by August, 1. The other half can be paid in smaller installments throughout the rest of the year. Should that not be reached, donations will be given back to donors.