Silas Merlin

Why does this cause confusion ? if you have 50 avatars at an event, 120MB each means what, 6GB total VRAM for the avatars alone ? your machine can handle that ? and When there are 100 avatars ?

There is a misunderstanding, there was no talk of forced LOD's : Instead, creating LOD's would not increase the land impact as long as they remain within a reasonable limit. For instance, with animesh which already encourages LOD's, each level can be half of the one above. (ex : 2000 - 1000 - 500 - 250 tris) There is no penalty for "zeroing out", simply it doesn't make sense anymore.

I was thinking more like 5. That, or a tri count limit of 100k total, avatar + clothing and attachments. Or, even better a VRAM limit of 120MB (that would account for 10 faces including materials and is insanely too much imho)

What I want to see ? A very small limit to the number of items one avatar can wear at a time. Also @Vir Linden to avoid utter confusion, I think it would be good to introduce a new term other than Land Impact. Let LI remain unchanged, simply it ceases to have any effect once Arctan is implemented. This will allow for the myriad of vendor pictures out there to not show wrong and misleading numbers. The numbers will just become useless, they will have no effect, but they will not be wrong. The new ARCTAN count would then use a new term for the actual cost counting towards the limit of items that can be rezzed on a region.

well, then, surely, if you use one of the default slots with a different uv, the system will "bake" the skin layer at bottom which uses the default uv... So, it will look all mangled until you wear a universal to point to a texture that uses the actual uv's of your mesh. I think that would be very confusing, that is why I would rather use auxiliaries for anything that does not have the standard uv's.

Could you explain, please ? I only see three. all the others are bound to the default uv's, aren't they ? Five would suit me ---- Edit : Nevermind, I just assumed that left leg and left arm used the default uv Thanks

Agrh ! only three auxiliary slots

I installed 6.4.0.529247 (64bit) today and I'm quite happy with it. It was quite bad for the last few releases, now it's very pretty again.

Ah I'm glad you find it useful, Miller. I think I should unlist it now, because when I installed the latest EEP viewer, I found that my sky is completely broken now. Much brighter, haze vanished. Also, the second rainbow which was hidden on the horizon accross from the sun produces a halo which becomes just as bright as the sun itself when you face it with your camera. Light changes when you rotate your camera now, as if your eyes were adjusting, but not quite right.

I made my sky setting freely available on Marketplace in the "beta test" category https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/Silas-EEP-sky/17229649

I wish to say that I am loving my EEP sky now. I'm not seeing the flickering black frames in the viewer, it is only after I I "produce" the video capture that they appear.

problems on the avatar sound like problems with the alphas, glitching like on the window in the chicken house at 1:29 in my video. It would be interesting if @Marianne McCann could try the nightly build, because I am no longer seeing the window glitching on that build.

I found that I was able to carry my EEP settings to Babbage, which, I beliee is on the main channel. (I then assumed that EEP was on all servers now, but I guess not ?)

No, sorry, I'm allergic to JIRAs

the problems I listed above are shown around 1:30 to 2:00 in the video I posted above : The window inside the wooden house, then the way a distant object pops into view when exiting the house. Then, as the camera flies out of the house, look at the sea in the distance and how the sky reflects on the water while the mountains' reflections appears further from the shore. At 3:10 you see the strange reflections in the water.

I tested EEP today, looking at different materials and how they are rendered. I must say I quite like it now ! There are still problems though. Apart from alpha glitching, most of the problems seem to occur at a great distance. Objects pop into view only when they are no longer partially occluded by a nearby object. Reflections of a mountain on the sea appears in the wrong place depending on camera height. Weird reflections in water. When your camera is high above ground level, the sea looks just wrong, it makes for a dizzying experience when you rotate your camera. Distant objects blend with the sky better than before, but not the horizon itself.

I tested EEP today, looking at different materials and how they are rendered. I must say I quite like it now !

Hopefully, very, very, very long, because it is not ready !!!

Will it be possible to override EEP entirely and continue to use Windlight in Firestorm ?

About glossiness, I agree, I already set my glossiness low (no higher than 20) in most cases, because some windlights enhance it too much. With EEP.... it is like if it was all the way up. I haven't even bothered to mention it, because this is just one more detail. EEP is turning into a nightmare. I hope it will be possible to override it entirely....

Granted, it is less ugly without ALM... but then there is no normal maps, no materials, and no shadows...

With EEP, it seems impossible to make distant objects blend into the sky, no matter how you tweak the settings. Distant objects become cutout grey-white against the sky. EEP seems better than Windlight at fog at close range though, but I'm not sure. Here is a video showing objects at various distances. First half of the video is in firestorm : observe how the landscape gradually fades into the sky. Second half of the video is the same scene in the EEP viewer...

So, at the meeting today, someone mentioned that the moving shadow problem might be related to sculpties bounding box. So, I tried with mesh. It does it on mesh, on avatars and on terrain, as you will be able to see in this video. The problem is related to draw distance somehow : https://youtu.be/v8xQ55zyjqE

So, now that EEP works on Bluesteel, it's more fun playing with EEP. The testing regions on Aditi were cool, but, it's flat, so you don't really get a sense of what you are doing. So, first thing I notice, yes, the settings files in the library are way off, they don't compare to the originals. Also, I don't know if it is related to EEP at all, but in that viewer, land textures are extremely blurry. The line in the middle of the sky is a known issue, I think, but now that I can have mountains, I see a similar line dancing around the mountains in the distance as I cam around. Here is a video showing these last two points https://youtu.be/zkKjY9t0H1M

EEP was supposed to come to aditi this week, I think, is that still happening ?