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  1. 19 hours ago, Wulfie Reanimator said:

    Like Dessi explained, scripts cannot be copied. It's simply impossible because the "code" is never communicated to the viewer. They only exist on LL's servers, we can only observe their effect on the world. The same goes for all object contents. An otherwise "flawless" copy is as easy as it has ever been. It's easy because the viewer has all the information about the visual appearance of the object, including rigging data. If the viewer didn't have that, it couldn't display it. You can't copy an object from inside of another object because the viewer has no knowledge of what the object is, other than the fact that it's an object with a name.

    Similarly, it's theoretically impossible to create new objects with someone else as the creator, because object creation is handled completely by LL's servers. The only way to get around that would be if LL's servers trusted any of the data it was receiving from a viewer requesting to create a new object, which could "trick" LL's server into thinking the object was actually created by someone else. That's highly unlikely. A simple way to "hide" the fake creator is to get a transferable object from the real creator (such as a prim) and make that the root of the copied linkset. That way they can mask the name if you only select the whole object, but if you select any other link in the linkset or right-click>inspect, you'll see the actual (fake) creator.

    Considering the amount of people just in this thread reporting that they've lost rare gachas, I don't think there's any real reason to think there's anything being copied. If the fraud is as wide-spread as it seems from this little thread, it's not hard to imagine there being a large supply of rares just waiting to be sold later.

    They don't copybot. Copybot causes the creator name change. Those people who Dessi is talking about are duplicating boxes of boxes of boxes of gacha items in one box, and all the items inside of the boxes remain the same. Calling it no transfer item duplicate with using a glitch/illegal stuff is better. They give exact creator name/ same date and scripted items. This is totally something seperate from copybotting. There are several further informations in web pages about who did and banned before and who still duplicate gachas. Once an event opens, countless commons, rares and complete sets are being showed up in 2 hours on Marketplace for impossible ridiculous prices. I am not even exaggerating.

       
  2. As gifting transferable items should have removed, taking ability of transferable boxes by the person who has edit rights should be removed, too. This makes losing track. I have got edit rights of some friends and I simply can hit a right click-take if the items are unpriced. So they can do that to me, too. No track, no transactions, no clues.

  3. 16 hours ago, MarquisdeSadeJustine said:

    Alwin Alcott...I was just recently a victim with 23k reversed within four days..didnt realize the severity of this problem and how long its been going on. But if the problem isn’t fixed..Ill be here but NOT on MP. 

    Don't mind him.

  4. 29 minutes ago, GrandDukeDylan Rothmoor said:

    Not sure how naming people works here but I just had a purchase made by someone whose avatar is 8 years old and online (not responding to IMs) and the item was delivered to an avatar who is a day old. This seems extremely organized surely LL's can see it's the same few people via their IP address. Why are they not putting a permanent ban on them.

    If they have static IPs. In Europe we use dynamic ones. And most of those guys are in Europe as we found out. But it would be great to see a MAC ban. LOL

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  5. At this time while this problem gives nuts, it also gives me more names to focus. Some resellers has got the sets cheaper than me, i mean the stolen ones. They are sneaky, silent and still adding stuff. Nothing went from those? Or they don't care since they know the way to duplicate them and adding the stolen content again and again? Is this a coincidence, or am i being paranoid?

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  6. I wasn't aware of one of those transactions since it wasn't even mailed.

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    Again very expensive and retired sets are gone. Ok what's my fault? Why am I punished again?

    We have removed the L$ 1234 that was sent on 1/26/2017.
    We have removed the L$5,699 that was sent on February 7, 2017.
    We have removed the L$ 16,149 that was sent on 2/8/2017.
    We have removed the L$ [45596] that was sent on [3/17/2017].
    We have removed the L$ [1424] that was sent on [4-2-2017].
    We have removed the L$2184  that was sent on March 29
    We have removed the L$1424 that was sent on Oct 4, 2017
    We have removed the L$ 24508 that was sent on 2018-04-14 (this one was not even gifted to anyone else)

    This is said to me on 2017, 30th Jan:
    "Pursuant to Section 4.5 of the Second Life Terms of Service, the Linden Dollars received by your account are now void and must be removed. Accordingly, we have assessed the Linden Dollars against your account, and that's why you seen this change reflected in your Linden Dollar balance.

    We understand the fraudulent Linden Dollars were used to purchase item(s) from your store. As stated in our Privacy Policy, we are unable to discuss another person’s account. While we cannot return the items to you, we can assure you every measure has been taken to secure the accounts and reduce the impact of this fraudulent transaction."

     

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  7. 2 hours ago, Grumpity Linden said:

    Hi All! Unfortunately, we cannot comment on individual cases in the forums.  We're looking into the various issues discussed in this thread, but since there are several events in discussion, I want to be very careful to correctly address the separate concerns. 

    I absolutely get that this policy is frustrating, and we've often talked about what could be done to make it less painful for the merchants who get swept up in fraudulent transactions through no fault of their own. 

    Give me a bit of time to give you all a more thorough answer please. I'd hate to be an elephant in a chinashop in all of this.  

     

    Until today I lost many complete sets, expensive retired rares etc. Removed balance from my account is more than 100k L$ in 2 years. In this week I lost 4 complete sets. I am not overthinking about the linden dollars, I just wanted my lost items back several times. Holded accounts might have or gave them to someone else. If they are lost in track, maybe a recovery for us would be lovely like you do inworld sims. I talked to a girl 1 year ago, she told me that 4000 US$ have spent from her credit cards. Those griefers are being too much for us, we can't deal with them. Maybe you better remove "adding credit cards" option. Remove "buying only transferable items as gift" option. Or maybe even remove all transferable items sales from MP, so good old days may return back. I am imagining about a "second life" without stolen content, gacha duplicators, fraud, griefers... It shouldn't be this hard. I believe that the best creators would create more for this world. Both gacha creators and players are being only desperate in these conditions.

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  8. On 2/27/2016 at 9:28 PM, Whirly Fizzle said:

    Leading spaces in group names are supposed to get stripped out, however it seems buggy & not all group names with leading spaces have been "fixed".

    See https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/BUG-11303

    LL do sometimes make changes to group names at the founders request however there has to be a very good reason for them to do it. We had some of our official support group names changed when Phoenix viewer was replaced with Firestorm viewer.

    Hello Whirly, I was trying to name a group and found out I can't start with symbols and space. But I see there are groups starts with space. All should have been fixed?

  9. Good to see there is a discussion goes on at last. Only the skills you use when playing gachas are the linden dollars in your balance. I don't think gacha is gambling, but when it comes to some machines I hate to see I have one or more crap items that don't have single usage that's being harsh.

    On 03.07.2018 at 8:09 PM, sailor36 said:

    11. Each gacha item must have their own usage. People do not have to complete those sets to use useless HUDs. HUDs which work with different items in the same machine cannot be sold as seperate common or rare. This looks so greedy.

    I'll give an example. Imagine you play a machine which has got a cat avatar as a rare item. And there are boots, dresses, hats etc can be used only on that cat as common items. You want that cat avatar but please question what will you do the spares. You put them on MP? Who will buy those 5 spare boots you have? Probably everyone who has played the machine to have the rare cat have spare boots, too. I don't play the machines which has more than 1 add-ons for rare items. No need to put crap into machines. In this example I can truly say those creators see the players as gamblers. Yes I get something when I pay for it, but it's a useless crap to delete.

    Or what will I do with a bra has not rez script inside or women skins turned into no transfer? (=

    On 03.07.2018 at 8:09 PM, sailor36 said:

    8. Building items like fences, walls, wall lamps, roads, pavements etc. mustn't be in gacha games. To tell the truth if I need a double of same item in a gacha machine to make the complete set to look real complete is no fun.

    Same kind of thing applies on this too. You need to put 2 wall lamps near your build door. You have a pavement piece but there must be 6 more to build a road. You have a fence piece but you need 10 more to create a mini garden? I'd better buy a 250L fence even in full perms and retexture it instead of collecting them. Some points addressed like this will help people not to count gacha as gambling in my opinion.

  10. 38 minutes ago, LittleMe Jewell said:
    3 hours ago, OxfordLennox said:

    I am leaving this thread, lol.

    We hear this all the time here.

    Then you kill many threads and you better get a job. I won't feed the trolls is a better way to say that.

    It's so funny how the people revert the words here.

    Good luck to the thread owner. Good luck to all with winning prizes of gachas. I hope you get what you want. Have a nice weekend. (=

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  11. 6 minutes ago, Theresa Tennyson said:

    How about adding, "14. If someone has a vested interest in gatcha items working in a certain way, such as their running gatcha-resale establishments, they should disclose that when they make a proposal"?

    Gachas are for reselling or trading purpose. This is why they are gachas and in transfer versions. And I don't think creators are against resellers. It is a win win.

    1 hour ago, Alwin Alcott said:

    try it two days later..

    it's the same as with clothes events.. go after a week, and people will still ask where you got your new outfit, because all already forgot what they bought there and been at 5 more events for new stuff..

    It doesn't work like this for resellers. As someone said here, market is a wild west. (=

     

    I am leaving this thread, lol.

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  12. From a reseller's eye all looks good. I have been spending all of my lindens to gachas for a long time. I have seen most of them. Gachas I spent more than 100k each which were supposed to be retired turned back, met with very rude creators, spent my time to contact to the creator to solve the problem with the machine prizes and yeah I had to delete many skins, bags, shoes turned to no transfer after rezzing the item. I believe creators may choose to sell the set for a price in copy versions, but I think the sets previously sold as gachas mustn't be sold that way. Sounds tricky. Creator may choose to get at least 10k from each player or reseller -whatever you name- and when the reseller will make this amount from that set creator releases the set in copy versions. This is not a good deal. I gave up playing hard those machines some time ago.

    Gacha sets are hard to complete because of the rarity of some items. I don't think most of the people answered this topic are playing gachas. Nature of gachas don't seem like to be understood by non players.

    BTW after spending 8-10 hours to get in an event nobody will go out and check demos. If it is wearable, people may try the demos there. I agree with Li info must be given. If possible demo area must be in event sim.

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  13. 1. If you have ever moved a gacha item directly from MP listing into a 'box' (not to inventory) this action bugs the listing totally. You don't see it's mistaken until someone tries to buy the item because it's still isted on MP. You need to relist the items.

    2. If you opened the MP listings before fetching stops in inventory, that action makes many listings go inactive. If you notice you did ths mistake you HAVE TO log out as soon as possible because it continues unlisting items while you are online.

    With the new system fetching issue is solved but if you are tped a lot / rezzed or took too many items fetching may stuck. Try to relog before opening MP.

    Your problem looks like the first one.

  14. It looks like we don't know anything but others know everything. Just saying, in Second Life, gacha things doesn't work like a book dealer. Because book publishers have limited books, not unlimited copies like SL creators have. This is not the same way of economics.

    EDIT: Oh well, I refuse/ give up answering someone spends the words like others are stupid, do not listen, do not understand, do not have any idea and only the mentor of EVERYTHING about economics, life, oh well ANYTHING she knows.

    I read that back after Stone's post. I don't want to call anyone as troll, but your last post claims you are only the mentor of being a troll. From the first post of yours, I tried to understand your point by YOUR side, but it's being a bull***** against thread. Please stop that, you are not helping. As you say, it's our problem, not yours. You don't need to tire your fingers to explain economics to stupid people. This will be my last answer, then I am ignoring your messages. If there is nothing offering a SOLUTION, then there is nothing to read and spend my time. Thanks.

  15. 23 minutes ago, Klytyna said:

    Ok, a 'simple' option... when you put an item on the MP, there's a tick box, where you can decide if instead of the standard 5% cut for LL, you want to agree to a larger cut, in exchange for which if the item getsd bought with stolen funds, you don't lose financially...

    [x] Yes I wish to pay a 7.5% LL sales tax on this item in exchange for fraud protection insurance.
     

    I'd accept that if that did.

  16. First of all they can purchase "all items " in my MP store in ONE DAY with stolen avatars. Second, I can't have some stolen content back since they are retired. Third, I can't write a DMCA report since creator is not me, but LL can close the alt account immediately when that happens, but they wait doing this. Fourth, it's MY item, it doesn't matter if I am willing to sell or keep, it's simply MINE, not the business, item. Fifth, if we won't make some profits and not willing to keep the gacha items, why do we play? Isn't it harsh for the creators of us not to play or sell them for dumb prices on MP. There are many things I can say. We simply don't want fraudulent lindens, we want a rescue/recovery for our items. They deny. That's why we try to find other solutions. That's all.

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  17. 4 hours ago, Klytyna said:

    YOU say you 'lost' 25,000 ls worth of valuable mechandise, but what you actually lost was, a dollars worth of gacha. LL won't spend $20-$40 recovering your 1$.

    Sorry but those are the harsh economics of gacha resale .

     

    Because that means when someone says 25000L worth of value gacha lost, 25000L are taken from the balance. I may pull 100s of gacha items from a machine and can't have a single rare or just a common from the machine. That happened and will be happened again. I spent 12k for one set, I should sell that set for 5-6k and I could get only 2 of those 3 rares in the machine. I spent 8500L to a machine and I just got 1 of the rares of 3 and spent 2k to have other 2 rares and had to set the set to 8k. If YOU haven't experienced this before, you must be very lucky. This is not up to anyone else to tell what the fair price is to someone "played" that machine. Some gacha items are retiring, some are so hard to find, some never comes from those machines. And when they steal my set from my MP, sorry but those are just not fair, harsh for thoughts, keeps me thinking of what's stolen today. Thanks.

    Edit: It doesn't matter if I paid to machine or a reseller. I have the item and it's being lost. This must be solved.

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