iceing Braveheart

Bobbie Faulds wrote: you have not read a single post from this thread or any other thread linden lab's has put a script into the second life viewer which blocks anyone from using modern pc or laptop there is nothing to program linden lab's did it deliberately on purpose why invest money into a game/app second life if Linden Lab's doesn't want you to using or anyone one else in the first place? a question though why are you insulting and trolling when you know nothing?

PeterCanessa Oh wrote: iceing Braveheart wrote: http://secondlife.com/support/system-requirements/ your 660 is not here in fact they do not even have any direct x11 cards aka 400, 500, 600, 700 second life stopped up dating this after the 200 series cards which released in 2008-2009 Thank you! That's just the sort of specifics I was asking for. So - if no-one anywhere can run SL on a graphics card newer than the 200 series then you are right - it doesn't work with 'modern' hardware. I wasn't arguing your point before, just saying that it didn't MEAN anything because you had only been saying SL didn't work with your card. Now you've made it clear, thanks. @ All - in case you have misunderstood the OP's statements: He has a superb system that's worth more than I can save in a year His graphics card, specifically, is THE top-end nvidia offering (arguably; there's always some confusion about the ;sub-models'. It's very, very, good anyway) SL does not support such a new and powerful system Linden Lab has "gone out of its way" to prevent SL supporting such hardware Only computers you'd now find in landfill can run SL Therefore SL is about to shut down Obviously it's the last 3 of those statements that are questionable. My new recommendation for when they people ask me about second life will be to steer clear as this is a vicious cycle you will always have to deal with that Linden Lab's does on purpose anytime you use a friends pc/laptop go to library borrow a pc/laptop rent to own or buy a new pc/laptop or buy new parts you will have to deal with it not working with second life as there is zero support you would be better off throwing your wallet into fireplace then wasting money on second life

Finneli Felwitch wrote: Behold the power of the internet! all of 2 seconds that it took me type type this "Radeon 9000 AGP buy" in, first listing: http://www.amazon.com/ATI-Radeon-9000-64MB-Graphics/dp/B0068VSNBI Finding graphics cards on Newegg is soooo easy. Geforce 210 for $25 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127705 I tried to find a cheap one for you, there are a ton of Pentium 4s on Amazon. http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Pentium-3GHz-800MHz-Socket/dp/B002T9DATS/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1382072840&sr=1-1&keywords=Intel+Pentium+4+531+3GHz+800MHz+1MB+Socket+775+CPU By the way OP, your use of emote smily faces is rather stupid. Nothing is more stupid then you guys telling me to go wast good money a on 14 year old pc in order to play a borked app/game second life you guys need to face it this app is dead and unsupported time to move on I think the gpu in my cpu is probably bigger then those video cards though most likely unsupported too :smileylol: second life really is a lost cause in its current state not that I would use it but it is there Intel® HD Graphics 4600 http://ark.intel.com/products/75123

Has Linden Lab's indicated when they are shutting down Second Life I am just curious is all maybe I can trade off all my L$ for IMVU credits since this place is sunk

it doesn't take long to find other people who cannot get sl to run on there laptops or pc's either http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Second-Life-Viewer/New-Graphics-Card/td-p/2242999

Czari Zenovka wrote: If you're not an alt of Gadget, I would LOVE to see you two have a conversation. *Grins* you mean to tell me you haven't been ranting about this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inspector_Gadget:_The_Original_Series

Czari Zenovka wrote: iceing Braveheart wrote: do you perhaps have a time machine so I may go and purchase the 14 year old system? :smileyvery-happy: A ten year old system will work fine - that was what my former PC (that ran SL and every other program I used) was based on the last time I upgraded the MB and graphics card, shortly before SEE2 became standard. I couldn't see mesh and now I would likely see a lot of clouds as that PC didn't support server side baking. I may have missed something in the thread - are you not able to get into SL or SL lags or does other weird things if you do get in? http://community.secondlife.com/t5/General-Discussion-Forum/Second-Life-End-of-Life/m-p/2261167#M133443

Summer Tison wrote: iceing Braveheart wrote: Summer Tison wrote: iceing Braveheart wrote: Summer Tison wrote: iceing Braveheart wrote: Care to explain elaborate how I am having pc issues? like I said on starting post for thread I am sorry I bought a new pc and linden lab's is not compatible with it I will just go use other apps and stop using this one it is very simple if it makes you feel better go ahead blame my pc but I am sure other companies will enjoy the money I spend there as for second life I have tried countless times contacting them and they just do not give a damn so there is nothing I can do but leave I have also seen countless posts with amd users posting second life is not compatible with there pc's with so many compatibility issues highly I recommend you savour and enjoy every last second of second life like it is the last as this business may go under if it cannot maintain clients or bring in new as there software appears to be incompatible with new pc's and laptops ect preventing new users from joining sl and incompatible with amd based pc's preventing new and old users from continuing to play or from joining sl Care to explain how LL is to blame because YOUR pc isn't working with SL? Surely that is an issue your end, and as I explained I have a new Laptop that runs SL perfectly well, so it's not ALL new PCs/Laptops that are having this problem. You're full of doom and gloom, you seem to think I care if you go elsewhere with your money, what a strange conclusion you made there. Did you buy your new PC with SL in mind? I know when I had to renew my Laptop I bought the best I could within my budget knowing I would want access to SL. You have been given some good advice on this thread, it's your choice if you want to take it, it doesn't matter to me one way or the other. it is common for all stores and retailers to sell off all old and even liquidate it that doesn't mean it is modern because you bought something several years old new at best buy that is like going to a flee market and buying action figures that are 40 years old and still in the package and saying they are modern you just bought them post your cpu and gpu and we will see if we can find the real age Built with MSVC version 1600 You are at 255061.4, 257453.2, 558.2 in Cayman located at sim10290.agni.lindenlab.com (216.82.50.12:12035) Second Life Server 13.10.03.281989 Release Notes CPU: Intel® Core i3-2330M CPU @ 2.20GHz (2195.09 MHz) Memory: 4003 MB OS Version: Microsoft Windows 7 64-bit Service Pack 1 (Build 7601) Graphics Card Vendor: Intel Graphics Card: Intel® HD Graphics Family Windows Graphics Driver Version: 8.15.0010.2361 OpenGL Version: 3.1.0 - Build 8.15.10.2361 Viewer SSE Version: SSE2 libcurl Version: libcurl/7.21.1 OpenSSL/1.0.0g zlib/1.2.5 c-ares/1.7.1 J2C Decoder Version: OpenJPEG: 1.5.2 Audio Driver Version: FMOD Ex 4.44.08 Qt Webkit Version: 4.7.1 (version number hard-coded) Packets Lost: 1/599 (0.2%) For your pleasure...you still didn't answer the question about your PC purchase...did you buy it with SL in mind? Or do you just feel too stupid to admit that you never considered the suitability of your chosen PC and now want to blame LL because you made a bad choice? I do not have the best set-up in the world, far from it, but it certainly seems to be more than enough for my SL enjoyment. I have one of the most advanced and powerful systems on the planet that can do anything though I only found out about Second Life's software problems afterwards though I still do not regret my purchase one piece of faulty software is hardly a deterrent. I only bought it because my old pc died and I bought it with everything in mind not a single piece of software even if I had of known in advance which I didn't I would not bought something that is in the gpu_table basing you pc up grades what are listed on game apps pages recommend sheet ect is completely stupid as they never up date that information or add all the required information though only second life is in the business of granting & blocking with permission scripts to be abled run there software on hardware I didn't know anything like this even existed until second life I have got games from the 90's that still work on my pc and older. second life is far from the only app I use and play. one app that does still work is imvu and it works with this pc so does any game or app I install. just not second life, just won't have a second life how come your not using the 660? http://ark.intel.com/products/53434/Intel-Core-i3-2330M-Processor-(3M-Cache-2_20-GHz) 2011 with out being an expert on second life here is what most everyone has to go on for deciding if there pc or laptop they have or chose will work with second life http://secondlife.com/support/system-requirements/ your 660 is not here in fact they do not even have any direct x11 cards aka 400, 500, 600, 700 second life stopped up dating this after the 200 series cards which released in 2008-2009 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_200_Series how is my research coming? because the only place you might find 200's card is a city land fill or something similar :smileylol: sorry for not buying a pentium 4 with 200 graphics card I had no idea anyone was still using and recommending this hardware anymore 2000-2005 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_4 it might run second life but it sure wont run anything else :smileyvery-happy: do you perhaps have a time machine so I may go and purchase the 14 year old system? :smileyvery-happy:

Czari Zenovka wrote: iceing Braveheart wrote: Czari Zenovka wrote: iceing Braveheart wrote: I have also seen countless posts with amd users posting second life is not compatible with there pc's with so many compatibility issues highly I recommend you savour and enjoy every last second of second life like it is the last as this business may go under if it cannot maintain clients or bring in new as there software appears to be incompatible with new pc's and laptops ect preventing new users from joining sl and incompatible with amd based pc's preventing new and old users from continuing to play or from joining sl (Bolding mine) You keep referring to "new pc's." My current PC is only three months old and runs SL amazingly well. From your other posts it seems that the graphics card is your issue with SL. My (currently uninstalled) graphics card is an nVidia GeForce GTX 660 SC which I purchased after doing a TON of research plus this card being recommended by others in the forum using this card or one in the same family. Have you done any research online to see if others are having the same issues as you in SL with your vid card? (And I don't mean contacting LL.) At any rate, the issue isn't "new PCs." The 600 series has been retired and replaced by the 700 series The geforce 660 is about a one year old card, as it launched on September 13, 2012 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_600_Series it is now almost 2014 which will bring about the series 800 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_800_Series you should of went with a 760 for some real power http://www.hwcompare.com/14801/geforce-gtx-660-vs-geforce-gtx-760/ http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-760/videos personally I would never recommend a 600 card period unless it was nearly free and yes everyone with a new modern pc/laptop ect has this problem it is completely across the board the issue is new pc's but thx for trying On the plus side, I'm able to be in SL. That is funny :catlol: but you still would of been abled to run second life better on the 760 vs the 660 and everything else but only if and when linden lab's fixes second life but that remains to be determined but anything and everything else besides second life would work on the spot with a 700 series card in a laptop or desktop ect

PeterCanessa Oh wrote: Aha! Thanks for that, I'll be sure to look out for all the complaints from people with new modern pc/laptop etc. There must be millions since it's completely across the board. Or is it only ones where all components were manufactured within the last year ... month ... week? LOL. Be serious, please. iceing Braveheart wrote: Okay seriously this only effects Second Life software so don't fear buying a new modern laptop or pc ect as it will work anywhere else in the world or web just not with second life software. for second life software your gonna want to check city land fills and hope you find something that still functions Nope, still waiting for you to be serious. How did u make 4.4k posts trolling people out like this? I am just curious why your account hasn't been terminated yet is all this is just an example manufacturers usually send there hardware off to reviewers to be tested and reviewed before they are launched and they are tested in benchmarks and across a ton of games the release date means nothing for when a card will start to function you can use a card the second they release the beta drivers for the card or earlier sometimes so a week means nothing in reference to your jabs at modern hardware is unrelated to modern hardware it is a second life only issue

KarenMichelle Lane wrote: and yet another AMD Crash related Viewer release http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_Release/3.6.8.282367 Release Notes This release addresses a startup crash on latest AMD Catalyst drivers: 13.9, 13.10, 13.11. That is great for AMD users but I don't have a AMD gpu although I did still download the client and test it and it doesn't work this is my verified spec http://valid.canardpc.com/3t0rvm and this is what sl says my spec is Second Life 3.6.8 (282367) Oct 14 2013 22:38:57 (Second Life Release) Release Notes You are at 215.2, 44.8, 22.1 in High Times located at sim9232.agni.lindenlab.com (216.82.42.168:13005) SLURL: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/High%20Times/215/45/22 (global coordinates 257,239.0, 313,901.0, 22.1) Second Life Server 13.10.03.281989 Release Notes CPU: Intel® Core i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz (3506.11 MHz) Memory: 16323 MB OS Version: Microsoft Windows 7 64-bit (Build 7600) Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation Graphics Card: GeForce GTX 780/PCIe/SSE2 Windows Graphics Driver Version: 9.18.0013.2723 OpenGL Version: 4.3.0 libcurl Version: libcurl/7.21.1 OpenSSL/0.9.8q zlib/1.2.5 c-ares/1.7.1 J2C Decoder Version: KDU v7.0 Audio Driver Version: FMOD Ex 4.44.12 Qt Webkit Version: 4.7.1 (version number hard-coded) Voice Server Version: Not Connected Built with MSVC version 1600 Packets Lost: 0/619 (0.0%)

PeterCanessa Oh wrote: iceing Braveheart wrote: //and yes everyone with a new modern pc/laptop ect has this problem it is completely across the board... Aha! Thanks for that, I'll be sure to look out for all the complaints from people with new modern pc/laptop etc. There must be millions since it's completely across the board. Or is it only ones where all components were manufactured within the last year ... month ... week? LOL. Be serious, please. Okay seriously this only effects Second Life software so don't fear buying a new modern laptop or pc ect as it will work anywhere else in the world or web just not with second life software. for second life software your gonna want to check city land fills and hope you find something that still functions

Czari Zenovka wrote: iceing Braveheart wrote: I have also seen countless posts with amd users posting second life is not compatible with there pc's with so many compatibility issues highly I recommend you savour and enjoy every last second of second life like it is the last as this business may go under if it cannot maintain clients or bring in new as there software appears to be incompatible with new pc's and laptops ect preventing new users from joining sl and incompatible with amd based pc's preventing new and old users from continuing to play or from joining sl (Bolding mine) You keep referring to "new pc's." My current PC is only three months old and runs SL amazingly well. From your other posts it seems that the graphics card is your issue with SL. My (currently uninstalled) graphics card is an nVidia GeForce GTX 660 SC which I purchased after doing a TON of research plus this card being recommended by others in the forum using this card or one in the same family. Have you done any research online to see if others are having the same issues as you in SL with your vid card? (And I don't mean contacting LL.) At any rate, the issue isn't "new PCs." The 600 series has been retired and replaced by the 700 series The geforce 660 is about a one year old card, as it launched on September 13, 2012 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_600_Series it is now almost 2014 which will bring about the series 800 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_800_Series you should of went with a 760 for some real power http://www.hwcompare.com/14801/geforce-gtx-660-vs-geforce-gtx-760/ http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-760/videos personally I would never recommend a 600 card period unless it was nearly free and yes everyone with a new modern pc/laptop ect has this problem it is completely across the board the issue is new pc's but thx for trying

Summer Tison wrote: iceing Braveheart wrote: Summer Tison wrote: iceing Braveheart wrote: Care to explain elaborate how I am having pc issues? like I said on starting post for thread I am sorry I bought a new pc and linden lab's is not compatible with it I will just go use other apps and stop using this one it is very simple if it makes you feel better go ahead blame my pc but I am sure other companies will enjoy the money I spend there as for second life I have tried countless times contacting them and they just do not give a damn so there is nothing I can do but leave I have also seen countless posts with amd users posting second life is not compatible with there pc's with so many compatibility issues highly I recommend you savour and enjoy every last second of second life like it is the last as this business may go under if it cannot maintain clients or bring in new as there software appears to be incompatible with new pc's and laptops ect preventing new users from joining sl and incompatible with amd based pc's preventing new and old users from continuing to play or from joining sl Care to explain how LL is to blame because YOUR pc isn't working with SL? Surely that is an issue your end, and as I explained I have a new Laptop that runs SL perfectly well, so it's not ALL new PCs/Laptops that are having this problem. You're full of doom and gloom, you seem to think I care if you go elsewhere with your money, what a strange conclusion you made there. Did you buy your new PC with SL in mind? I know when I had to renew my Laptop I bought the best I could within my budget knowing I would want access to SL. You have been given some good advice on this thread, it's your choice if you want to take it, it doesn't matter to me one way or the other. it is common for all stores and retailers to sell off all old and even liquidate it that doesn't mean it is modern because you bought something several years old new at best buy that is like going to a flee market and buying action figures that are 40 years old and still in the package and saying they are modern you just bought them post your cpu and gpu and we will see if we can find the real age

Summer Tison wrote: iceing Braveheart wrote: From what I have heard SL lags like a chop shop because the graphics engine renders on the cpu instead of gpu video card as frame rate sux with a gtx 460 and gtx 780 in sl and on amd or intel cpu's I also don't think video card makers directly support sl either as performance is very bad across the board video card makers can some times provide work arounds patches in the drivers to fix performance with certain apps games but only if they are willing to as for content imvu has basically the the same system in place as sl all user created it is pretty sad when you cannot go out and buy a bran new pc and use it with sl as they are not compatible with linden lab's second life software viewer the only way to get sl to run is to go to a city land fill and look for old pc's that are discarded and hope they still function and use that with second life. imvu doesn't have this issue though go figure I use Singularity Viewer and have none of these issues you are experiencing or heard about (I'm using a laptop that is 9 months old with just the usual onboard Graphics). Lag seems to be a thing of the past now, it certainly doesn't affect me like it used to in the old days, but this could be dependant on where you hang out. Of all the places you chose to compare to SL, you chose IMVU which is nothing like it at all. Try Singularity or another TPV and see if that works. I really don't see how you can blame LL for your PC issues. Care to explain elaborate how I am having pc issues? like I said on starting post for thread I am sorry I bought a new pc and linden lab's is not compatible with it I will just go use other apps and stop using this one it is very simple if it makes you feel better go ahead blame my pc but I am sure other companies will enjoy the money I spend there as for second life I have tried countless times contacting them and they just do not give a damn so there is nothing I can do but leave I have also seen countless posts with amd users posting second life is not compatible with there pc's with so many compatibility issues highly I recommend you savour and enjoy every last second of second life like it is the last as this business may go under if it cannot maintain clients or bring in new as there software appears to be incompatible with new pc's and laptops ect preventing new users from joining sl and incompatible with amd based pc's preventing new and old users from continuing to play or from joining sl

Bobbie Faulds wrote: LL can't win for losing as the saying goes. LL gets complaints from older computer users that they have features that older graphics cards can't keep up with then the ones that have the newest and best graphics cards complain because it doesn't work well with SL yet... How many remember the grid closing down on Weds at 8AM SLT, supposedly for 4 hours, for upgrades; 4 hours that became 6 that became 8 and then the grid was unstable all weekend? Now we get rolling restarts spread out over 3 days so the whole grid rarely goes down. As for performance, as others have said, almost everything you see around you is user created and can't be preloaded like WoW, Diablo, etc. That takes a huge hit on your performance. The software is actually totally redone. That's what the V2 fiasco was about, the updated software. They've phased out the old software since none of the original programmers are with LL and the current programmers aren't even sure what some of the coding is for. They were also have problems with it such that every time they tried something new, they had a coding conflict. Prime example is them being unable to get the avi deformer for mesh to work properly. You also have the scripts that people write in SL that work with the LL servers. Some of those are well written. Some are just bad. The server has to deal with those as well. The bad ones can cause massive lag. LL has come long way and is still changing every day. If you still have it in your inventory, take a look at the old hair, skins and clothes. Compare the textures from then and now, the construction techniques, etc. Contact me in world and I'll be happy to show you my original avi on my original account, complete with clothes, skin, shape and hair. If you are jumping into SL expecting a smooth, fast experience like you get in WoW et al, forget it. There is too much content within SL that has been created by the users that you have to access everywhere you go in SL. I'm not blind to the problems, but I remember where SL started. From what I have heard SL lags like a chop shop because the graphics engine renders on the cpu instead of gpu video card as frame rate sux with a gtx 460 and gtx 780 in sl and on amd or intel cpu's I also don't think video card makers directly support sl either as performance is very bad across the board video card makers can some times provide work arounds patches in the drivers to fix performance with certain apps games but only if they are willing to as for content imvu has basically the the same system in place as sl all user created it is pretty sad when you cannot go out and buy a bran new pc and use it with sl as they are not compatible with linden lab's second life software viewer the only way to get sl to run is to go to a city land fill and look for old pc's that are discarded and hope they still function and use that with second life. imvu doesn't have this issue though go figure

Summer Tison wrote: Perrie Juran wrote: My first three years in SL I spent on average FIVE WHOLE DOLLARS A MONTH. They certainly were getting very, very rich on my back! But here we have again another software and server architecture expert posting about how badly designed and archaic SL is. Got to love it. I often wonder what keeps them on SL if it's as bad as they make it out to be. Maybe I'm just easily pleased :smileyindifferent: I like Second Life but Linden Lab's has deliberately ruined the users experience encase you cannot see the bug report or haven't browsed my previous posts here is a quick recap of how Linden Lab's treats consumers who buy a modern computer http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Second-Life-Viewer/Second-Life-3-6-2-279258-Jul-30-2013-08-04-02-Second-Life/td-p/2170147 In all my life I have never seen a game/app penalize me for having beyond the system requirements when I go into graphics options Basic shaders Atmospheric shaders Advanced Lighting Model Ambient Occlusion Depth of Field Shadows Water Reflections Hardware Skinning Avatar cloth Sky are all disabled and cannot be re abled as they are all grayed out completely End of Life as in End of Life cycle Second LIfe has reach this point where it is no longer supported by its creator Linden Lab's developers 6 months to writ less then a sentence into the client viewer so that it will work proper but no they only complicate the issue and make it more challenging by messing up more things in the code instead microsoft has it for windows to http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/products/lifecycle at five dollars a month I would consider you more of a Free-to-Play player then someone who actually does the pay to play trend and splurges rendering your opinion on the subject and matter quiet trivial as you do not use the app only loiter/beg/pan handle for what you can get free pan handling is illegal in some places check your local jurisdiction for details

KarenMichelle Lane wrote: iceing Braveheart wrote: For the past few months I have gone through complete hell with this software application second life by linden labs. There is no support in the least from linden labs support team or fix, just brush it off and sweep it under the carpet and silence the consumer. This software is not compatible with a modern computer, sorry but my old computer finally died so I had to buy a new personal computer and since linden labs is going out of their way to make it incompatible, I feel this is the end of life for this software as it is not compatible with a personal computer time to go else where and find something else to do. Just for you Iceing, You have clearly contributed to the SL Answers discussions both in aiding others and in identifying/confirming a Memory Leak. I reviewed your issues with your very high end EVGA GeForce GTX 780 SC Graphics Card selection. While this is a top of the line GC It is also distributed by EVGA and thus has a slightly modified system BIOS in it. It just became available for purchase this last June yes? You might just had to wait for Linden Lab to include this in the default GPU table. Early adopters of cutting edge Graphics Technology all suffer through this issue, if not with SecondLife then with their Graphics Intensive game of choice. Just sayin'' You seem like an intelligent person, why not work with the JIRA system as you have in the past.....but try not to mentally assign the due date to the issues you identify since you will always be disappointed. Think about it. If there are JIRA's that have been prioritized that affect 100's or 1000's of SL Users. Of course they will get serviced sooner. I'm not sure how many SL Users can afford to install a EVGA GeForce GTX 780 SC Graphics Card and I for one am glad you identified this issue so future adopters of this GC may not experience this issue. But if this is frustrating you so much, and SL is your primary game, why not use that older GC for a bit longer. I see a launch date of May 23, 2013 on wikia that is 6 months Linden Lab's has failed consumers and still counting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_700_Series#GeForce_700_.287xx.29_series Early adopters of cutting edge Graphics Technology do not suffer from anything related to Linden Lab problems anywhere else in the world this is strictly something Linden Labs cooked up I have no idea why LInden Lab's did it maybe Linden Lab's are jealous and envy others who knows but I do know this is a micro transaction shop that costs mega dollars to play and they are preventing everyone with money and a modern laptop, desktop ect from running there software and utilizing properly if they would like to go bankrupt then by all means continue the trend no sweat off my wallet I made a JIRA long ago about it https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MATBUG-389 and they closed it and said it was duplicate I also searched and there was many many many others and all closed as duplicates they close everyones and leave one open and never do anything about it besides silence it like a tyrant on top of this Linden Lab's has the time to go into the gpu_table and screw it up so you can't even copy and past the firestorm gpu_table file inside to get it to work but Linden Lab's still refuses grant permission to run there software with a modern laptop or computer ect Linden lab's is the only software on planet earth that does this with there software you will be required to have Linden Lab's writ explicit permissions to use the software with each component you use no one else does this kind of crap I can't use my older graphics card because it is dead I only bought the new one because the old one died and they do not manufacture or sell GTX 460 1GB's anymore the card I chose is reference design but overclocked a bio's up date does not exist because there isn't a problem with the card http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=03G-P4-2783-KR

Czari Zenovka wrote: iceing Braveheart wrote: For the past few months I have gone through complete hell with this software application second life by linden labs. There is no support in the least from linden labs support team or fix, just brush it off and sweep it under the carpet and silence the consumer. This software is not compatible with a modern computer, sorry but my old computer finally died so I had to buy a new personal computer and since linden labs is going out of their way to make it incompatible, I feel this is the end of life for this software as it is not compatible with a personal computer time to go else where and find something else to do. I was able to run SL for the past 6 years on a computer that didn't have SEE2 capabilities. (To not bore everyone again, if you don't know what that is, just know it has been an industry standard on PCs, depending on the chip, since minimally 2004 and some PCs prior to that.) The point is, until a few months ago I was running SL on a 10 year old PC using the Phoenix viewer. I could not go much above 64m draw distance and move at the same time, I could not see mesh, etc. but I was able to be in SL. I was blessed to be able to purchase a new PC a few months ago and am seeing a whole new SL!!!!! I have chosen the Singularity Viewer mainly because I prefer the version 1.23 UI, but also tried the CoolVL Viewer and Firestorm and all run well. I am very sympathetic to people trying to use SL with older PCs due to my own past experience, but saying SL is not compatible with a *new* PC I find hard to accept. You did not say what type PC it is - desktop, laptop, tablet? Are you running on wireless ISP? There are a myriad of things that could cause SL to not function optimally, even to the type of graphics card and/or needing new drivers. With a bit more information, many people here are happy to help you. Edit: typo Wired Cat 6 rj45 Hitron CDE-30364 http://www.hitrontech.com/en/cable_detail.php?id=10 speed test http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3030611385

Heart Brimmer wrote: iceing Braveheart wrote: For the past few months I have gone through complete hell with this software application second life by linden labs. There is no support in the least from linden labs support team or fix, just brush it off and sweep it under the carpet and silence the consumer. This software is not compatible with a modern computer, sorry but my old computer finally died so I had to buy a new personal computer and since linden labs is going out of their way to make it incompatible, I feel this is the end of life for this software as it is not compatible with a personal computer time to go else where and find something else to do. good lord, the least you can do is let us know what type of computer you have, what is the graphics card? and I have a brand new HP and I have had absolutely NO trouble getting SL to load or to do things inworld. It would help tremendously IF you would give us the specs of your "modern" computer. http://valid.canardpc.com/3t0rvm

Finneli Felwitch wrote: If Linden Labs wont help, there are many groups in Second Life that will, off the top of my head: New Citizens Incorperated, Caledon Oxbridge University, The Shelter. Linden Labs has also been kind enough to let us use Third Party Viewers, found here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Third_Party_Viewer_Directory I use Firestorm Viewer, they have a group that is always active with giving technical help. What is your definition of a Modern Computer? I have a $395 Dell Laptop Inspiron 3520 Intel I3 CPU, DDR4 RAM, and a moderm but none gaming graphics card. I am able to run Second Life but not above High Settings. I have seen videos of people using the Nvidia Titan graphics card and sorta run Second Life on max. You can get the Titan just about anywhere, here is the link to the stock EVGA Titan: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130897 Notice the modern Price tag. My definition of a modern computer is a computer that isn't replaced by something new and better yet going to a store for a new gpu graphics card the proper card to buy would be a modern 700 series card and for cpu processor a haswell architecture processor with a z87 chipset motherboard for the year of 2013 the modern computer is powered by 700 series graphics cards which titan is part of and haswell processors but in 2014 they will be replaced by something modern then 1 year modern life cycles usually at max

KiraLynnn wrote: have you tried firestorm or singularity? Much better in my opinion then second life viewer I have tried some 3rd party viewers in the past maybe a year ago or longer but only for a very short time minutes at the most and not all of them I cannot remember all the versions I have tried though I do remember there was one that caused excessive BSOD's so I backed away from 3rd party viewers as they seamed very unsafe, dangerous, harmful and unregulated I do remember trying firestorm over a year ago but didn't like the user interface so I stuck with Linden Labs viewer the rest I can't remember that far back I have only used the Linden Labs viewer to experience SL I don't know anything about singularity I think

For the past few months I have gone through complete hell with this software application second life by linden labs. There is no support in the least from linden labs support team or fix, just brush it off and sweep it under the carpet and silence the consumer. This software is not compatible with a modern computer, sorry but my old computer finally died so I had to buy a new personal computer and since linden labs is going out of their way to make it incompatible, I feel this is the end of life for this software as it is not compatible with a personal computer time to go else where and find something else to do.

I already did from firestorm copied and and pasted uninstalled and reinstalled the linden lab client 5x and copied the gpu table file over 50x and nothing works but if i use the older clients 3.6.6 it still works just not working with currently release on web site for downloads

How do you get second life to run on version 3.6.7 (281793) the gpu_table no longer works