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1 minute ago, Kyrah Abattoir said:

An exception doesn't change the general trend. This is the kind of product that will do just fine when sold normally.

HAH!

yea, the avatars will end up in less variations and will be heavyly overpriced - or do you really think if you can "choose the product you want" you get the same quallity as before from an item which is suppost to be LUCK BASED? No srsly, think about that for a moment.

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Just now, Laylah Yaseotoko said:

People are acting like there is only Gachas to buy. If someone has everything they sell in Gachas it's time for them to conduct business the other way, other than that I am not really seeing a loss.

again in some cases i can understand that but some businesses actually have to run on such systems like collecting cards or similar. Srsly, tell me HOW else will you sell "random card drops" in booster packs if they are not suppost to be random?

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4 minutes ago, belladonna Wexhome said:

SECOND. LIFE. WAS. NOT. MEANT. FOR. PEOPLE. TO. MAKE. A. LIVING. ON.  

 

that's what people do NOT get.  The fact that LL lets people cash OUT of LL is the Luxury.   

over 15 years to late for that. a lot people DOES make a living out of it, telling them "now" would actualy force them to leave SL and go to similar "games" like VRchat. So if LL would literally call them out to "not" make a living anymore from what they earn in SL, guess how much WILL be left anymore from SL in 2 years. NOTHING.

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9 minutes ago, Kyrah Abattoir said:

Which is a falacy. Due to the volume requirements, gachas in SL have to be produced as quickly and as cheaply as possible.

i duno if you know avatars like the ones from Nutbusterz which creates super cute gacha avatars and are heavily animated, have a working battle system, have handdrawn/created textures and use full functional AOs ever saw (not making avertising here but im making a point here) but...i guess you never saw them.

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1 minute ago, Crim Mip said:

I don't buy no mod/no copy items as a rule. If the gacha sellers want to compete with the non-gacha sales model, they will either adapt or go away.

no coz people which created gachas will now either do one of the followed things:

(Lets go with a sample and say a gacha creator made super good small avatars so lets keep that in mind)

- The creator will create different versions which will end up heavly overpriced since now you actually can CHOOSE which version you want (think about a card game where the super rare cards are also super expensive...)

- The creator will only do half-baked avatars now since its not anymore worth it anymore since the income is literally lower than before

- the creator will only create super limited versions of the avatars he made before, maybe just 1-3 version of the before 12 versions.

 

and for all of that will be said that the prices will sure rise - i mean as i said, a card game which has rare cards in it are also sold mostly overprices, keep that in mind.

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1 minute ago, Katt Dragoone said:

 I hope those that depend on gachas, won't be greatly affected although I doubt it.

Yu-gi-ho card creators: thanks. my family will die.

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1 minute ago, Crim Mip said:

Then they won't sell and/or other creators will make similar items to compete.

which will again cost something to create and it will again end up in a circle of copy/pasting so that every creator will end up creating something similar and we will end up with 1 avatar which has just a lot different creators and stuff like that. great, than i would rather buy a gacha item from one "good" creator where i know the item will at least end up in "good" quality.

 

as i said with my first comment here (

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I think the rules should be way more specific.

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1 minute ago, Shadowed Luik said:

Yes, they are transferable, and if I remember correctly, there are rare, ultrarare, etc breeds of fish as well as individual items you can collect and then use to create a whole new item, like parts to build a boat, i think?

yes, blueprints and materials are also a thing you could cast/catch in 7seas as well as rare clothes (for LL bodys but still) and other stuff next to fishes like actual fishfinders or a battlecrab to make your own mini tournamet.

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2 minutes ago, Crim Mip said:

This was inevitable given the crackdown on loot boxes in other games. I can't say I'm upset. I've always hated the randomness when there is an item I wanted to buy. I also hated that most of the items were no copy/no mod. Kudos to the sellers that allowed exchanging an item for one with those perms. Far more often I encountered creators who acted like I had crapped on their shoes when I asked if that was possible. I expect some creators will pack up and leave and for others they will raise prices to levels that are actually fair for the items they made.

did you srsly ask for fair prices for items which were normaly created to be random? Srs wake up call but: i doubt that will be the case. such gacha items which were created to be random IN MIND will end up heavly overpriced...

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1 minute ago, Alan Cyr said:

Is there a way to sell the fish? Honest question.

yes. as much as i remember i could sell it. its no mod/no copy but its trans like every gacha item - and they basicly count as collactables since they are tones of fishes.

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4 minutes ago, belladonna Wexhome said:

So not sad to see gacha's go the way of the dinosaur.  It was an exploitive business model.  I am not sad to see events like Arcade go away either.  You want to see a small amount of items for a small price - do some of the wonderful weekend sales events.  that way people can CHOSE what they want and not have gamble and have stuff they don't.  Gacha was a horrible business model and I have no sympathy for anyone (creators or event coordinators) who exploited this horrible trend.  

gaming card creators and collectors would literally cough right now in your direction. I think a lot people literally think about the big gachas (which im also sure are the reason why this rule is a thing now) but you have to think about smaller things which are literally "basicly a gacha" like said samples of trading- and collecting cards or games which are luck based like 7Seas or similar which seems like everyone forgot right now (and 7seas is OLD...).

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1 minute ago, Drakkhis said:

The Question I have is does this effect things like 7seas fishing, Since you have to pay for bait, then you only have a chance to get a random fish, And if not, then could we create a Ticket System where the Player buys a number of tickets for lindens, and then uses the tickets on the machines?

thats also what i thought since it basicly would count as gacha since:

- it HAS a rarety system

- you have to buy bate to get the more rare fishes

- IF you even GET a fish is random

- WHICH fish you get is also random

 

And we are talking about 7seas, a super old (but still nice) fishing game in sl god dang it...

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1 minute ago, DeeJay Peapod said:

No but it is accessible within those places as well which means its still under the jurisdictional law as well as the LL owned servers maintained in those places

imagen you going to jail there only coz you sold some pokemon booster packs...

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6 minutes ago, Adeon Writer said:

Because it's too easy to make a loophole. If you say it's ok to have random colors as long as they are all equal chance, what stops you from making 30 different colors: 1 pink, and 29 different unique shades of brown? No rares, right?

what you said is basicly "creating a own rarety sytem". again, think about trading cards like pokemon or yu-gi-ho. If you buy a booster of those you will always have a set number of cards in it and also a set number of commons and uncommons (and so on). you will always know "basicly" what you will get since the chances are equal.

 

what you basicly said is if i make a cardgame where i make one super strong powerful card and 99 other cards which i literally "super similar" but just sh*t. thats literally creating a own rarety system which should of course also forbitten.

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@Patch Linden

Being honest here, i can understand that gachas should be closed IF they work with a "rarety system" in their mind. Their are tones of creators, mostly clothes, which make 5 versions of X dress and ONE version has maybe a droprate of 5% if even.

Such should be stoped and i can legit understand that.

But what i dont like is that people which create "bubblegum" gachas where the chances are literally equal are also now putted on the black list.

As sample, Lets say i create collecting- and trading cards (you know, something like pokemon-, magic- or yu-gi-oh cards). Those things are sold for maybe 5-20L$ for a card. The machine is literally a bubblegum automat where you put in some L$ and get one random card out of x cards. So you know:

- You will get a card

- the chances are equal to each card (so NO rarety system)

- Which card you get is random

 

By this new rules, it would mean such cardgames simply cant exist in sl anymore since the system behind such bubblegum automats is literally the randomness behind the "TRADING" and "COLLECTING" part - i mean think about booster packs you buy for your card game, you know you will get a set number of cards but the cards are always random - and they literally HAVE TO BE else the system makes no sense at all.

So to be fair here, i think the rules for such are kinda very losely by literally banning everything which is luck based.

Look at old games like 7Seas, as one good sample, it "basicly" is a gacha than as well since you dont even know if you get a fish or not - and it has a rarety system as well. Same would actually be Blind/black box sales and things like breedables which can also basicly count as gachas shince they are also somewhat based on a "random base" there.

With that said, i think the rules should differ some things and should be more "specific", IF thats even possible:

- Gachas with rarety systems (aka different droprates or similar) should be forbitten.

- Gachas which have more than 1 different kind of item inside (aka if its not just pants but also panties, hats, jeans, etc in one gacha) should be forbitten.

 

- Gachas which offers 1 item in JUST different variations should still be ok since the costumer will still end up with the item he sees.

- Gachas where the droprates are equal with every "draw" the costumer takes should still be ok since all the chances are still equal and there is no rarety behind the system.

 

So again, i dont disagree that gachas should be gone but i think that the rules might need more specification so that such things like tradingcards or simple similar things doesnt have to close their business doors forever.