Faly Breen

i know and its bs to do. i mean my rl sample i brought often was a sample bbuuuuuuttt i saw already "similar" things where i just had to shake my head about.

aaaaaaaactually i would say 4 out of 10. i like to use a lot clothes but also love to reuse them. a lot. ^^ the problem is i do understand why the creators do this thing even if i and sure others (as i saw) dont like it. as i said in my real life sample if i just want ONE pair of jeans in a special color, i dont wanna only have the opinion to buy "either all or nothing" because, again, its bs to do so from the creators side. it sounds like (again~) trying to force the costumer to buy something he/she does not want in the slightest and doesnt even give the costumer a "2nd opinion" at all. So yes, i understood that the only way we have is basiclly to boycott them but it still is a fishy way to actually DO from the creators side with all this fatpack stuff and that has to be said and noticed and said.

thanks there and yes, this basicly "sadly" the only thing we can do so it seems till they finally learn. also thanks for those links there, actually they sell some good stuff there. literally said that comments ago.

yea i got that but than there have to be literally more people which have "the voice" for it and not just "you and me" if you know what i mean...

I quote you all 3 here because there might be missunderstanding here: - first, i did understand the thing with "you dont have to buy it". sure, right, again, noone "is" forcing me to buy anything at all but thats not the point here. The point IS that creators DO create fatpacks AND sell some solo colors but put only "some colors" out to buy solo but not all. - No, as for Alwin there, the sellers doesnt write the rules, the costumers does. if im not buying wilingly the fatpack "only" because it has the color in it i might want, its not my lose. SUre, i dont have the dress but than again, i can look for alternatives and MOSTLY they are some other good ones. the one who loses is the creator, not me. - Boycotting is a harsh word and sounds like creating a "angry mob" against one/some creators...Isnt that basicly what i want? that i want LL to put up an actual "rule" against this "sheat"? Srsly, think about it, boycotting sounds like creating a flash mob and tell a/the creator/s to literally "f off" and change their thing. And as i said: Im just ONE person, with just ONE voice and im sure that will not change something in the slightest. Yes, i made a topic and thread here in this forum but how many creators will look up here and take my vent/rent even "for real"? Noone will. It sounds hard but lets be at least somewhat realistic here.

again, only to stay with the sample here, if i want THIS "one dress" in "this one color i want" than there is no other opinion to buy the fatpack because its (the color you want) not sold alone. This is the problem.

of course not but as i said and as it is right now, creators sell just some colors solo and put the ones which "most people want" into a fatpack and ONLY in a fatpack which is the stupid thing to do with literally no other excuse than "being that kind of creator". I dont "have to" buy the pack if i go with an alternative but if i want "just this one color", i basicly get forced to take the fatpack or nothing (and this is the problem). as said in my main post i can show a lot samples here but it wuld be nameshaming.

of course, right now, they are free to do so because there is nothing which holds them of this limit. as i said, and you said, i dont need to buy their product if i want only a black one out of a full pack but getting forced to buy all or nothing - and, again, this is my problem i have: this "all or nothing" and the fact that they are just color differances. I cant say, as i said in my rl sample, be like "i sell the colors red, blue and green solo and if you want another color you have to buy them all". Sure i can look for alternatives (and srsly mostly do) but that "mostly" will not change the mind of the said creator because, think, we are talking about the human mind here, do you really think everyone "cares" about this "problem"? i mean look at you as sample, you think its srsly solved if ONE (me) of how many people would not buy the creators product? As if, man, as if. and in that case you go for "color" excusives? I mean im glad already gachas doesnt exist, just to leave the hint on the road here but again, we are still talking about simple textured colors and not any sprinkly sparkly effect. And than again: even if you go with the therm exclusive, said products doesnt have anything special or different OTHER than the color from the ones which get sold solo and you be like now "black has to be exclusive"? Kinda still a dickish move to make and literally doesnt add any kind of work from the creators side if they either go with a "either sell all or only fatpack" system. There is also a reason why "exclusives" are hated in a lot areas anyways (RL and SL wise) because of that but thats not the point here. As i said, the point is putting 2-5 colors on sale solo and putting the colors people really want behind a paylock, into a fatpack. Sorry but we saw how far creators go. As i hinted, just remember how far gachas got out of hand and right now people use the fatpack excuse as...well, excuse to sell something "exclusive". I think LL should srsly put a rule up for that, as i already said some comments before and, again, we are still talking about the human mind and one guy will sadly not change a thing...sad but true.

im not looking for alternatives here. Its the fact that creators do this on a regular base and this should not be defended in any kind. as i already said in my other comment, if i wanna buy myself a black shirt, i only wanna buy myself a black shirt and wanna also be able to buy said black shirt, not getting forced to buy a fatpack.

the problem is just basicly as i said already If i as creator offer an item with "just" different colors, i should sell all colors solo and not just "some" and make the rest of them available in a fatpack. Important here is: im talking only about color texture differances - not special textures like pictures or motives which i can see can sure still be used in a fatpack. I mean think about that for a moment if someone would do that in real life - it would be a rip off. like, if i want just ONE black jeans and only a black jeans the creator tells me "oh you can buy them but you have to literally buy all other 20+ different colors as well"... Just why? I just wanted ONE freaking black jeans, not 20+ other different colors i literally just have to buy with them which i will never ever use in the first place nor wanted anyway. Again, its costumer unfriendly and makes no sense to do that other than creating a virtual lock with the knowledge that people exactly want this colors the most and, again, basically forcing them to buy a fatpack they dont want to buy in the first place but HAVE to because you can ONLY get those colors in said fatpack. this is something LL should prevent. If the quallity is literally equal but "just" a different color, the creators should have 2 opinions: either sell them all solo AND a fatpack or JUST in a fatpack. everything else feels like, as i said, an unfair and unfriendly thing to use or do (as it was seen in my RL sample).

this is something i agree there as well. if you make a hud already with "all" the colors its ok if the item is already a bit more expensive because you put even more work behind it for said color hud - but if i sell already, to go back to my sample, color variations of said dress then why not all OR a full fatpack. As i said, it basicly feels like youre getting forced if you want a color which a creator doesnt sell by itself to buy the fatpack...which is just unfair to do and not really costumer friendly.

(JUST a small word before, i duno if im "right" to put such topic in this channel since i duno, this is my first post here so im sorry if im wrong in this channel!) I dont wanna begin to talk around to long about the topic but go with a sample and try to make it understandable: Since some years, it feels like creators create X variations from one dress and, to keep the sample simple, it mostly is just the color. To STAY simple, lets go with a full dress for females here. Said dress can be bought in red, blue, green and yellow - at least if you want one of those colors. BUT what if you want, as sample, the dress in black or white..or both? Than, you mostly end up that you have to pay for a fatpack because the creator doesnt sell those alone. I know this might sound like nitpicking but nowadays a lot people dont sell their stuff moddable anymore and to already high prices and than "basically" forcing you to buy a fatpack for the "color" you want seems like an very unfair play here. Im not talking about "special color/textures only made for me", im mean plain simple textured color differances. I mean, again, why do i need to pay for the fatpack if i only wanted the color BLACK/WHITE and no other? I dont want violet, i dont want dark green, i dont want the fatpack but just the Black/White version, thats all. Here a small last addition. I could proof a lot samples here viva pictures but i dont think i wanna nameshame people here so i sure cant show pictures of stores/creators without basicly "shaming" them, i guess its understandable somewhat but even without pictures im sure people understand what im talking about... EDIT: i made this a bit more clear in a sample in a later comment you can read here:

Ok, today i was actively checking places for gachas since i was on a Sim and they linked to an event calling "goodbye gacha" in which some people sell now all their gacha stuff for a super low price of ~25L$ for each role. if you wanna know more about it, check it here https://www.theepiphanysl.com/goodbyegacha But im actually not here to make advertising for that... I was more someone who, so i thought, saw a lot gachas already and went for the "human mind" thing - thats also a reason why i complained first and formost about the smaller gachas like collecting cards, bubblegum gachas or similar since im sure those would not be a reason that LL "suddendly" creates such harsh rule... But after just exploring the list i liked there from top down to the letter "B" by now... I mean NOW i can totally understand why people dislike gachas and im really with them. I mean, as i said before, it is a dang shame that such smaller gachas LIKE bubblegum gachas, collecting cards AND similar suffer such fate only coz of people which literally put dress ups - PIECE BY PIECE -, HAIRCUTS and freaking POSES into a gacha! No im srs, i totally understand the people which hated gachas coz THIS is really something i thought i will not see. Pose gachas? HAIRcut gachas?? Seriously??? Again, If such stuff is gone, i dont cry after them but its again a shame for collecting cards and like. LL should maybe overthink their rules there coz those sure doesnt hurt anyone but THOSE others? Nope. Glad they are gone soon. SUCH stuff C-A-N at least be sold without a random system behind, for real, you dont need to sell "haircuts or poses at RANDOM". Collecting- & Trading cards in the other hand will still be hard to sell if they are not random.

i literally called it token so guess what i was using as sample in mind...

Im a bit confused now. So basicly everything which will be "sold random" is forbidden as long as its tradeable. This makes no sense. And yea, as i said, gacha creators could do such system i said with an ease. They dont even have to do much but just creating an object which reacts with their vendors, setting all their stuff on not tradeable and done. The only "idiot" at the end will be actually the costumer now since you cant resell them if you have like doubles. Tradeables cant exist at all, erasing trading cards from its total existance if the creators wanna at least earn money with them, giving them out for free as random gift, i think, should be ok since people dont pay for that at all and can get those gifts ones pay day, hourly or weekly (or similar). So yea, i think the token idea sounds for me the best and easier way than the actual conveyor belt system people talk about since that basicly is a lot work and has nothing to do anymore with the random factor. The token idea leaves at least room for the random sales and brings again back the "droprate" system wile the conveyor belt system leaves that behind and actually people would sure rise their prices if they can, simply put, "wait" for their object they wanna buy. I will have to think about that but @Patch Linden should actually check the idea i have in mind with the token. In case i didnt explain it already, ones again in short: Costumer goes and buys a "Token" like item for X L$. Said Token item is build to react as currency/key item for your vendors. Costumer can use said token on such vendors to still get a random item out of it (100% chance or like 7seas basicly with rarety system, up to the creator). So it would still count that the costumer actually pays for a non random item which is the said token but uses those to actually GET a random item. Srsly, i would like to hear if that idea could be actually used legit. IF so, well then...