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Exactly, @Phoebe Avro! Ours doesn't go up quite that much on a daily basis (WOW!) - but the majority of the time, we don't even get notices from our own club in our email. And yet, with them cutting groups, can't exactly make a second one. And, for clubs, the subscribomatics are a pain in the butt, we did try that for a while.

It isn't a lie. I had to split my store groups into 2, and between the 2 there are over 85000 members. We split the members into 2 groups because none of the functions work when it's that crowded. Maitreya V.I.P group has 115,000 members. My club group has over 7000 members. Its not a lie at all. Our group functions are sluggish a lot of the time, and chat doesn't always pop open, nor do messages always go through.

@Grumpity Linden -- Why would you even suggest that, if groups are such a horrible load on the LL servers?

@Killer Perhaps -- Adult places do have their own category -- Its called Nightlife & Entertainment.

@Sweet Valentine I disagree! I co-own a club, and I can assure you that I spend a ton of money buying things to improve and keep my place going. Not to mention, paying the tier for the sim that we are on (because half of it is residential)! To say that "free folk" don't add anything to SL is just crazy talk. And guess what - we don't even make money. We break even. That's all we have ever asked of our place.

@Dove Darkfold -- They have been "working" on the group problem since 2007. Check the JIRAs.... Sorry, but there are better ways to go about this.

By titles, I think she means role slots. And you can only have a certain number of role slots in a group. People have been begging for more roles in groups for years.

I would add to this. I am the co-owner of a club in SL that has been around since 2007. For our club, we have the main group, the staff group, and a training group (learn how to send notices etc etc), as well as our management group. In addition to that, I also send notices in 6 other groups to advertise events. That is 10 groups that I -NEED- just for the day-to-day running of our club. We already have staff members who are capped on groups and unable to join the advertising groups. If we are cut down on groups, there are a lot of people who won't be able to join the -MANDATORY- groups - staff and main group. Advertising is a huge part of the club business, not just creators. And, the main way that we advertise, is with groups, because that is how things were set up to be from day dot.

When I am in SL, I want to see my info in SL, and not have to log into yet another platform just to see what's going on. Maybe that's just me though.

Hi Kat - I am replying to this without reading anything that's come after, so if its already been said, I apologize. Its true that people have alts. However, not everyone does. It seems to me that, it would be worth it to comb through groups that are "inactive" and delete them - say, a group that has not had any activity in the past 6 months. Same for avatars, really. If they have not been active in 6 months, send a warning to the email on file that clues them to log in or lose it. There have been problems with groups going back at least as far as 2007 - probably longer, but that's when I joined. Chat lag, notices not going thru - and the larger the groups get, the worse it gets. I understand that Second Life wants to give us new, shiny stuff to play with, but honestly, please just go back and fix the bugs that have been in JIRA for years and years. Fixing those things would have to be a help, server-side as well, I would think? Also, please consider, your basic members are IMPORTANT. Even though we don't pay a membership to be on SL, we are still spending a lot of money in SL. We buy lindens, we spend lindens on things like tier/rent, clothing, landscaping, events, etc etc etc. All of which, when people go to cash out, Linden Lab gets to take another piece of. This really feels like you are penalizing non-Premium members of SL. I think its a bad road for Linden Lab to go down. Sure, Premium members should get perks. But don't take things away from the non-Premium members that we've only just gotten, and been begging for, for years. (Groups)

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Same issue here, was not able to purchase Lindens. Deleted my card and went to re-add it (same card). Got the same message as Michael got. Added Paypal card in just fine, but still not able to purchase Lindens. Tried calling billing support just now, and was told that my bank had probably put a hold on the card. (My account is set up with fraud alert so I know that is not the case.) I was informed that they were not able to clear my billing info, as they did with Michael, that I would just have to call my bank and get them to unblock it. (Hi, its not blocked!!) And then once they do that, I should be able to re-add my card. So I guess I will call my bank when it opens, to be told its not blocked, and then called them back again. GRRRR.

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