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On 12/27/2023 at 5:34 PM, KharmaObscura said:
This seems like a good place to start this topic. I think that the problem with Secondlife is that the people who are toxic have sometimes stayed in the game despite reports of directed harassment and griefing for over 2 years. I know that over 200 reports have been made about one individual person, the reports are ranging from hate speech, using another account to impersonate someone and use that avatar to grief, hitting someone with griefing weapons on a public sim, causing disruptions and being hateful to groups of people in public. This is a 2 year pattern of abuse by one person to an entire community and if LL has not figured out that its a pattern of abuse yet?
There is at least one toxic person who has messed up many peoples enjoyment of Secondlife for a long period of time. They have broken TOS and community standards for long people are just giving up. I feel like no one even cares about this. Many others feel that same.
Why are none of these abuse reports being linked? i myself have pages of public chats, a lot of nc's of IM's. I have some screenshots and videos, I have a lot of notecards sent by alts and this person literally attacks in IM or in public anyone who speaks to me and since this person is so blocked they cannot reach me they will harass my friends or rant in public. They will bring in real life details of my life that are false sometimes or true sometimes but brining up someones rl habits or tendencies over and over again is doxing whether it is the truth or not. this is a pattern of abuse that Linden Labs has not even once contacted me or any of the other filers of abuse back. A friend of mine has sent a clearly video clipped abuse reports showing herself being griefed on public land, others have told me without provocation that they have filed reports. as many as ten or twelve a day, for over a year.
WHY HAVE NONE OF US been contacted.
WHY is a bully with a pattern of abuse allowed to be toxic? Secondlife may not be more toxic than other games, to be honest i do not think it is. However, I am greatly saddened and discouraged about how many people and the amount of times I have seen this person get away with everything with no reprisal. There is an entire group of people who want to talk about this, but we are not getting contacted.
So if Linden labs does not have the ability to see a pattern of abuse, and if they do not make it easy to hand over a lot of documentation that in pure volume would show a major pattern of abuse to an entire community of people, Sadly, seeing this I have no other option than to say that this continued blind eye by Linden Labs contributes to toxicity as much as the behavior of the bully. I blame some of this toxicity on Linden Labs for not paying attention to an insidious and repetitive breaker of tos and community standards.
Yet strangely they are still here. And a lot of people wonder why. I want to know what has happened with these abuse reports. I want to figure out how to actually talk to someone instead of screenshotting what? an hour of harrassing conversation? I have the pdfs of chat in public. they are too big to attach. there is no person who will sit with me and others in this group and discuss this. its absolutely destroyed the mental wellbeing of many people around them, as well as showing such a huge pattern of abuse that I cannot believe there has not been at least some kind of intervention where the people and there are many who are reporting this person are not put in a room together and allowed to show/ discuss this behavior. this is not a one person problem, its a community problem, its a pattern that is bigger than each action, and its not been address for two years.
Yes, I've noticed that many times.
And I've made those kind of documentations and wondered, my God, what does it take.
And the reasons can vary, I guess. The person might be the son of someone famous the Lindens need to keep happy. The griefers may have the capacity to get on either social media or even mass media and make it seem like they are innocent victims of this evil company -- I've seen them do that many times over. The Lindens like to avoid controversy and media.
Or perhaps the person in question pays them a lot of money for islands, islands you can't see.
Or maybe they don't have the staff to follow all this up and think you're a whiner or I'm a whiner as a result.
They also are wedded to this religion that you can control your own experience and gosh, you must be deliberately riling up the griefers and you must enjoy them griefing you at some level.
That griefers can harass you from Linden roads which are "safe" for them doesn't matter. That they can buy into a sim on an alt and use that as a perch to launch toxic particle takes doesn't matter. That they can stalk you in both SL and RL using God-mode and hacking doesn't matter. Etc. Etc. They think you should just ban a person or put in a security panel and shut up.
And maybe they aren't wrong, because you could try that on another sim, another alt, before they IP track your or use some other social engineering to stalk you.
The Lindens don't want to be a government or even play government so they let some resident groups they bless play government and try to do their minimal best with the CS staff, and call it a day.
SL is indeed more toxic as a result because people have more and diverse and devious ways to make people miserable they don't like or whose ideologies challenge their own, and they deploy them happily on a platform where the providers either share their technolibertarianism, technocommunism, or nihilism, or just don't have staff. Whereas a huge game company has to maintain the peace better to have more customers and keep selling games. The dynamics and levers are different. The Lindens could stop policing all griefing instantly tomorrow and there would still be 20,000+ islands bringing them in their basic revenue.
WoW or Fortnite or Minecraft could never afford to do that, and don't.
It's a truism that the Lindens will never contact you, never discuss a case with you, never report what they have done about a situation, you will never know. RL isn't like that, and is a better place as a result in most countries. You know, the right to face your accuser; the publication of the charges, the plaintiff, the defendant, a court of law, a verdict, etc. etc.
None of that obtains here and someone could be flying around named "KillProkofy" crashing my sims on the daily and the Lindens will shrug because they don't like my blog or something. Years later, you may learn that some miscreant who is now a university professor was actually banned by the Lindens for harassing you and may have ruined his career for a time. But most of the time, no one will ever give you that satisfaction.
In these kinds of situations, I could recommend multiple ARs from different people (not alts) -- that can get their attention and persuade them you're not just a whiner, it's a public nuisance.
You can document and blog all of this outside of SL and try to name and shame people in general but you have to have stamina for this, they will retaliate, and the Lindens will pounce if any of this is put inworld.
Etc.
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On 12/26/2023 at 10:28 AM, Paul Hexem said:
Have you ever played any online games? Ever?
Yes I have.
I don't like them because they are stupid, repetitive, and even if I don't get killed in the first frame, I have to do so many repetitive and stupid things to avoid being killed in the next frames that it just isn't fun or interesting.
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On 12/27/2023 at 11:58 AM, NiranV Dean said:
Im very much infuriated by Firestorm because its made to dumb down people who still have mental capacities above or around average and handholds those that do not instead of teaching them to get better. The way FS spells out every obvious option as a sentence explaining what it does is so much worse than what LL does with their obvious "idiot proof" labels that assume you are a mental retard. This is what tooltips are for, when the option label explains the option in greater detail than the tooltip which at that point could just be "^this" or "what the label says", then something is wrong
Well, from what I gather, FS is "open source" and you could just code your own version of FS without the things that annoy you.
No?
"Tool tips" require you to hover "just saw" and it's just annoying.
I think you're just looking for things to pick a fight about, especially when you could just make your own home brew here. I can't and won't. So I want the SL Viewer to be workable and intuitive. I don't care what third-parties do. I'm not paying them. I want LL to make workable and intuitive viewers. There's a reason why LL hasn't just bought out "the most popular and most used viewer in SL."
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7 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said:
I don't disagree...since this was the only shortcut I committed to "muscle memory". I didn't even remember the "build" shortcut recently. But If I - like you - don't use or remember shortcuts, I can and do remember THIS one shortcut!
I fail to understand why I need to commit to "muscle memory" a series of unrelated symbols instead of READING a coherent WORD.
I'm not a monkey.
It's ok to have HIGHLIGHT TRANSPARENT to drop down. I see no objective reason why it was moved.
To say, "oh, but you're in build mode already" -- that's not the only use case for HIGHLIGHT. Sometimes you're trying to find a lost prim that is lost BECAUSE it is transparent.
Sometimes you are trying to PUT something on transparent and move it around or remove it from sight but you can't SEE it.
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6 hours ago, AmberJoyBliss said:
This is the only one I use and I it became too draining. I still log in, but just don't have any passion left.
I sometimes wonder if it is just me being weak or attracting the wrong people and almost everyone else having a very positive time in-world.
There have been some very negative experiences on this forum here as well, and I would say the negativity in the forums outweighs's the usefulness.
I used to do a lot in here, but the only thing left is DJing and I now want to do that somewhere else.
I would say YES.
Games keep people from becoming too nasty and uncivil and weird by having goals, quests, XP, points, prizes, etc. These serve as kind of guardrails to prevent the "hell is other people" problem of virtuality -- which amplifies it painfully.
SL is open-ended, so that for some people, becoming nasty and uncivil and weird IS the game. That IS the goal, the quest, the prize.
How can you "walk around the robots" as a colleague once said about trying to get around crazy bosses, weird board members, toxic fellow employees, the nasty general public etc.
You have to find things you like doing, find groups of people doing those things, and meet them and go to their events.
To be sure, a lot of sifting might occur here, so much that you won't want to stick with it.
SL isn't for everyone.
I would say the Forums don't represent SL, it's social life, or its groups, except that wouldn't be true, since the Lindens keep the forums nasties in power through lack of modding and selecting modding so it's part of how the culture gets shaped.
It sounds like you have a fairly active ability to self-criticize and that's good in moderation and I think that most people in SL who get into bad things or have bad things happen to them are either weak, "tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine," unlucky, or online pugilists. I think it's ok to fight bad things and they do get better some times. But not right away.
I could tell you "try these 10 things or groups or events" but they may not be your thing, and frankly, even the things I fill my time with on SL sometimes aren't really my thing.
"Second Life/God's Waiting Room on the Internet"
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On 12/16/2023 at 6:25 PM, Bagnu said:
As it stands, we have a cartoony look in SL. Would we ACTUALLY be comfortable if our SL were fully RL realistic, as if we were watching a movie? I don't know if I would be. Or would we like it more? Any comments on this?
I like SL's generally more painterly and even somewhat cartoony look (I don't like Pixar and fortunately it's not Pixar, just slightly painterly/drawn/ which for some people means "cartoon".
Photoreal really looks ugly in SL.
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On 12/24/2023 at 6:13 AM, Qie Niangao said:
With PBR, Build / Options is more important than before, for the two Reflection Probe options if nothing else.
It's debatable what belongs out in the open, under Build which is showing in everybody's viewer, and what instead belongs under the Advanced and Develop menus that have to be enabled in Preferences.
My hunch is that most people who have Advanced and Develop menus showing access Highlight Transparent with Ctrl-Alt-T because it's always been somewhat of-a-piece with Shift-Ctrl-Alt-T.*
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* This doesn't work for me in Firestorm, but maybe that's just me(?). It's no loss in my case because the whole Firestorm UI is utterly beyond my patience; every option and readout makes me grip my mouse and curse "why? why is this here? why is this anywhere?" The fact it's everybody's favorite tells me that this Second Life thing is no place for me after all.Yes, they monkeyed with this to put in PBR, and didn't think it through from the perspective of the normie, let alone the dummy.
I've accepted that things have to be in Advanced and Developed -- imagine that! -- and now they make those menus appear with one click, so it really is pretty simple.
Even people like me use Advanced and Developed because often that's where the Lindens stick things they are tired of, don't like, don't want to explain, when they front their new shinies. I get all that.
The shortcuts are not useable be me; I don't like them; I won't use them; I won't memorize them; if they are forced on me I may, but since this was once a drop-down menu with readable human words and not a code stand-in for real worlds, I object.
If you, as a more or less literature techie person, are infuriated by Firestorm, well, understand that at least one of the reasons I don't use FS is THAT.
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4 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said:
^^^ 100%. Plus, the same shortcut is used both to "show" and then to "hide" transparent objects.
It's not like there are two shortcuts to learn for this.
It's not like it has ever changed.
This is stupid, because it is contingent on people using shortcuts; agreeing to that system; finding that system useful and intuitive.
I DO NOT
AND THAT'S OK
That's why the UI still has REAL WORDS on it that do the thing DIRECTLY without surprises, or most of the time.
This is a good example of how techs make the world more brutal and stupid, even as they claim that we are stupid lol.
We're not. The Lindens changed the pull-down human-readable menu, used by many people. That YOU don't use it as a tech and like short-cuts means nothing.
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4 hours ago, NiranV Dean said:
Excuse me what?
How are shortcuts annoying? You don't have to use them, they are completely optional.
How are shortcuts more steps? The whole point of a shortcut is that you can directly access a function at any time, there is only a single step.
Also CTRL + Alt + T is THE common Second Life basic shortcut anyone should know. It's like the global Copy (CTRL + C) and Paste (CTRL + V) and Search (CTRL + F) functions. These are things absolutely everyone must know. They are like knowing how to put one foot in front of the other to walk.
Excuse me? I'm not you.
They're annoying because they aren't a button with a label on it in human-readable language that you can click to get a result that matches that human term.
That you find something that says alt - F8 "useful" means nothing to me. I'm not a tech person; I don't care. I don't wish to develop an entire glossary or lexicon of terms that "mean a thing". I'd rather study literature and the terms *there* like Jouissance.
I never use ctr-alt-t. I pull down "highlight transparent" so I can see and understand what I'm doing. And that's my right. It doesn't mean I'm stupid; it just means I'm not you.
Ctr-c is ok as far as it goes and we've all been forced to use it. I will never, ever use ctr-f when I want to go to search AND pick the OTHER thing like "places" or "people" in one swoop.
They aren't things "everyone must know" because GUESS WHAT, the Linden techs, silly creatures that they are, still put human-readable normal words on their buttons. Good!
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19 minutes ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:
You seem to miss the point. Mainland 2.0 isn't carved into free 1024's, its carved into 4096's.
Any premium that wants one has to pay tier on it.
As they fill up, LL can create more.
Belli is a cost drain, because it eats up the money they make from selling premium but giving away the 1024's.
Mainland 2.0 is all profit. Its a way of generating fully occupied mainland sims.
$166 US a month is what they charge for mainland, that is what they get.
It HAS to increase their revenue. In time they could convert empty mainland sims to 2.0, and have it full of happy paying premium members who no longer have to suffer under mainland blight.
The islands aren't going anywhere, someone has to provide homes to all the non premium members, but anyone that is premium should get themselves a piece of Mainland 2.0 when it comes out.
I won't because I'm on that piece of heaven known as Zindra 😂
You seem restless and have a lot of threads going. You might want to channel that energy into starting your own grid, maybe using Open Sims or some other kind of world/game and try out these ideas.
You might want to start trying them out YOURSELF by buying and tiering just one sim -- that doesn't cost much -- dividing it into 4096s, and seeing if people will fill up that sim for you and keep paying cash or putting in tier, however you arrange it. Then try two sims.
I've done that for nearly 20 years, I'd invite you to branch out from your 16m2 and try running a sim, then you will have insights to give the Lindens who really don't run sims, in a way; they don't live here, they just work here.
I don't see how this will increase their revenue because: Customer Service State. Read about that theory in various books.
If the 4096s is bundled with the premium, instead of just 1024, it is essentially free then.
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On 12/21/2023 at 12:12 PM, BilliJo Aldrin said:
having to purchase mainland is the biggest impediment to people getting land. If it was free, many more people would get mainland. LL gives houses, both 512’s and 1024’s for free, its time to do the same with mainland. They owe tier once they take posession, so its not like LL is losing money over it.
You don’t buy it, so you cant sell it. It would be great if when u get tired of a parcel, you abandon it and pick up up a new one, just like Linden Homes
The fact that you need to purchase a Premium Account with its now 1024 m2 to buy anything of that size or more (if you add tier) on the Mainland is actually a great deterrent to blight, although imperfect.
If you made the land free, you would end up like San Francisco, which started a plan to hand out US $750 per month to the homeless, and thereby attracted every drug addict who could get bus fare to SF and wound up with hordes of folks with the fentanyl bends all over downtown, most of the main brand stores pulling out due to theft and mayhem, and just general chaos that now is leading to the recall of officials.
You would end up like many sims did in the early years of SL when you could get First Land for merely $512 ($1 per meter) and it was gamed with alts and bots and filled up with masses of junk and flipping insanity.
The Lindens may not make money off Bellisseria, I am told by those "in the know". I find that hard to believe, as they get a stable premium and are putting out loads of sims -- more than is under tier by individuals currently on the Mainland. Just look at the map and the Grid Survey. We're talking 3000 regions -- and the Mainland is only 5000 regions -- a certain percent is made up of Linden roads and parks, and then you have X percent abandoned.
Neither Bellisseria or Mainland are any kind of cash cow or even stable revenue center. A lot of it is a cost center because of staff time, Moles have to be brought in to build, wrangle sims, etc.
The islands remain the revenue generator. Why is this so hard for all the big thinkers on here to grasp? Look at the map and look at the price list. There are under 30,000 regions. Of these, let's say under 10,000 are Mainland plus Bellisseria. That leaves a whopping 20,000 regions generating the current island tier. To be sure, some are only $178 + tax as they are grandfathered. But the overwhelming majority are 1) $349 for a set-up fee to buy and then 2) the full tier of $206 per month. So work out the math and you see it clearly.
Let's say the 3000 Belli sims were completely fully sold (they aren't by any stretch) with 20 customers per region, each paying the annualized $99 fee -- that's 20 x $8.25 x 3000 = $495,000 per month (in an ideal world -- it's likely 30% of that).
Now over to the islands, not even looking at the set-up fees. 20,000 x $206 = $4.12 million.
Again, that's idealized because some of those are only homesteads that are cheaper, some are grandfathered. But even allowing for that, those islands are there, on the map, and not gone into the ether, because they are tiered, and that means $206 + tax per region per month. The Lindens would have to create like 10 Bellisseria continents to come anywhere near their island revenue, and the demand just isn't there with under 50,000 concurrency.
The 10% tax on the Marketplace sales where "millions" of items are sold doesn't in fact involve millions, and in fact doesn't reach that figure of island revenue, either. Let's say the Lindens took 10% tax off 500,000 items selling per month on the Marketplace. That's only US $50,000. Not $495,000. Not $4.12 million. Put in any numbers roughly comparable you like, but the point is the same: islands are the revenue generator unless in fact people are buying millions of little different coloured dresses on the MP that I'm not aware of.
It's in the interests of island dealers to keep the Mainland ugly, blighted, and driving customers into their arms; some used to openly advertise this theme to get business. One would like to think the Lindens are neutral, above the fray, etc. but their self-interest is at stake, too. They need to have the islands, which cost more to set up (Mainland is $0 set-up) and generates $206 per region, to be the main product -- and PS it's much less customer service, as people who buy islands run them themselves pretty much, and don't file tickets about neighbours encroaching, griefing, blighting because...there are no neighbours.
They're like that town in "It's a Good Life."
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I think you could hit parts of Bellisseria and find this effect you are looking for of the decorated houses, as they have in Queens, New York or Pick a Suburbia in the US, where there is always some family every year who spends a fortune to put like all the reindeer, and lights, and Santa and a manger and the whole nine yards, and everyone drives by to gawk. Surely there is That Guy in SL! But where? lol
And the answer is: look at the BBB web site which has a blog called Parade of Homes with the "House Beautifuls". Now, where is this blog. Naturally I can't find it now but ask around.
The Lindens have a Winter Wonderland set of sims with stuff showing off the new PBR effect which isn't quite what you mean but you could probably enjoy some of it. Look on their blogs.
I think if you go to Robin Loop, which starts around the Electra and Juanita sims, you would have a nice drive, see some fun little stores and cafes and see some of that effect -- I've seen it driving through there. But of course, it's not concentrated as it would be in RL.
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I don't want to use keyboard short-cuts, they are annoying and often are more steps.
I want a drop-down menu.
It used to be under Advanced/Highlight and Visibility, where, you know, it belonged, logically.
Then someone who is a specialist in UI no doubt moved it because somethingsomething.
I get all that.
So where is it? Yeah, I tried under Build and kept looking under Build and not finding it.
But that's because you had to "just know" that it is now under Build/Options.
I read the liner notes for every patch. Why don't they inform you there "We moved highlight/transparent from Advanced to Build" or "it's only under Build now, where you didn't know it was," etc.
They don't really plan for people who build INWORLD instead of in Blender.
That's what this is about.
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9 hours ago, Nalates Urriah said:
This section of the forum is generally about PEOPLE stuff. Tech questions go in the Technology Forum section.
When you have a tech question we need to know a lot to give an ANSWER rather than a guess. Use the viewer's HELP->About... and paste that info with your question.
The first troubleshooting step you have taken, try another avatar. Now try another viewer. Most Firestorm users keep a copy of the SL Viewer installed for testing purposes. AND... if you do have to go to the Lab for help, they will insist you use the SL Viwer to get their help.
Also, strip your avatar to the basic nude Classic avatar.
These steps will reveal or eliminate most of the possible problems on your side. Also, they provide info needed by the Lab to help.
When all else is failing and when you and those helping have no clue, look in the viewer’s log files. The viewer has various log files you can read to get an idea of what has gone wrong. Look at the log immediately after you crash or exit the viewer. Logs are replaced the next time a viewer starts. You’ll find the logs in:
Windows: C:\Users\[Win_login_ID]\AppData\Roaming\SecondLife\logs\
Mac: /Users/<username>/Library/Application Support/SecondLife/logs
You will change folder and file names based on the viewer used... But, they are all similar.
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crashreport.log – This log is generated when the viewer crashes, the previous version of the file is overwritten. Rename this file if you plan to restart the viewer before examining the file. Otherwise, just read it with a text viewer (Notepad is good).
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debug_info.log – This file is internally formatted as an XML file. I never find it of much use. It is mostly the specs of your machine.
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SecondLife.log – This is the main log file. I find it the most useful. Start from the end of the file and work toward the beginning. Search for ‘WARNING’ and ‘ERROR’. With any luck, the messages there will give you an idea of the problem. Recent changes have added a section heading to parts of the file that can identify the general nature of the problem. There are lots of performance stats included. At the end of a non-crash log there are secession stats; Run Time, Average Packet Size, Dropped Packets, Resent Packets, etc. The file is replaced and recreated for each viewer secession.
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SecondLife.error_marker – I don’t know what information is inside. I don’t have a copy to examine as I write this. The presence of the file indicates where, when, and what error happened. I think this is a disaster backup file for crash reporting in which information about the crash is retained in the event the crash handlers are destroyed before they can create the other more complete crash files.
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SecondLife.start_marker – There is no information inside. The presence of the file indicates how far into the start process the viewer has gotten. Whether the file exists or not is the pertinent information.
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SecondLifeCrashReport.log – This is another file internally formatted to XML. It is created when the viewer crashes. I think this is the new version of the crash log. It is mostly text.
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stats.log – This is a short file containing network statistics. Similar information is in other log files. It is an easy-to-read set of stats that show how many packets were dropped and resent in a secession.
I find the SecondLife.log is the most useful file for tuning and troubleshooting the viewer. It is verbose and reasonably easy to understand. There is a Debug Setting that allows you to increase or decrease the level of reporting.
Most of these files are erased when the viewer starts. If you plan to send the files in with a trouble ticket or bug report, place copies in another folder before starting the viewer.
Marker files are temporary and may or may not exist at any given time.
Entries in the files associated with errors and warnings are labeled as such. That makes them easy to find by searching. Search and read through them starting at the end of the file and working backward.
Warning entries are common and do NOT necessarily mean there is a problem. Some warnings are a part of normal operation. Some errors are trivial and do not indicate a ‘noticeable’ problem in the viewer’s operation.
OR....JUST A THOUGHT
The Lindens could fix the bugs in their viewer and you will stop crashing.
Which they did, and a new patch dropped.
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crashreport.log – This log is generated when the viewer crashes, the previous version of the file is overwritten. Rename this file if you plan to restart the viewer before examining the file. Otherwise, just read it with a text viewer (Notepad is good).
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In the latest version of the viewer with PBR.
Second Life Release 7.1.2.7215179142 (64bit)
It's not where it used to be under "Advanced" and "Highlight and Visibility"
If it "doesn't work that way any more" because "something something", how do you turn a clear prim or mesh red so you can see it?
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13 hours ago, Qie Niangao said:
I thought the same thing when I saw the "Something Spicy… mystery initiative": Whatever this is, it will fulfill Patch's promise to complete the southeast corner of Zindra using a new theme.
Now I wonder if they'll still set it up for parcel sales like the rest of Zindra or create the Belli-style Adult space that keeps getting requested. It's a bit of a gamble that the demand is really there, but it might actually reduce the current over-demand for buy-and-sell Zindra ownership more effectively than just dumping more standard Zindra supply with merely revamped visuals.
Either way, Zindra land is destined to be a buyer's market.
Perhaps they'll make it "clubs only' to try to siphon off the avatars filling up and lagging residential sims in little clubs.
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9 hours ago, Diablo Lioncourt said:
That last part is true. Welcome to SL:)
1. They have in Kama City
2. Have you ever even been to Zindra? Of course the instant buy price can fluctuate a bit. Maybe its 3.5 one week, 4.5 the next. It's not 1.1 or anything close like where you hold land - you didn't just block out that word "Zindra" in your eagerness to project your own experiences onto everything, did you?
OK boomer.
1. If they are auctioning 16m in Kama City, I have yet to see an auction link for that, and it would be the exception to the rule.
2. Boy, have I ever been to Zindra! LOL.
3. I see you are already backing down from your original claim. Happens. No, I don't block anything. I keep G, M, A on and suffer a little bit of eyeball chloroxing now and then after the awful sights but yeah, to be in business you have to.
4. I've seen abandoned land in Zindra. Sit there. For days.
I've seen land at $1 and $2 sit there that I have bought and flipped.
5. I am not a Boomer, as Eisenhower was my first president. I'm actually in the cohort known as "Generation Jones."
Happy to be alive!
I am the man, I suffered, I was there.
Agonies are one of my changes of garments,
I do not ask the wounded person how he feels, I myself become the wounded person,
My hurts turn livid upon me as I lean on a cane and observe.
I am the mashed fireman with breast-bone broken,
Tumbling walls buried me in their debris,
Heat and smoke I inspired, I heard the yelling shouts of my comrades,
I heard the distant click of their picks and shovels;
They have cleared the beams away, they tenderly lift me forth.
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On 12/20/2023 at 2:10 PM, Luna Bliss said:
Does this mean we'll soon see naughty Linden bears?
I'm old enough to remember that Linden bear in the BDSM get-up. The guy was the liaison for Zindra.
I fully expect this "steamy new region" to be as robust and functional as....
...the Helios Casino and Lounge.
Say, did they ever get the swag stuff put in there?
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On 12/20/2023 at 4:13 AM, BilliJo Aldrin said:
They will also sell direct to you if you own land on the sim.
There in never any reason to abandon on Zindra. It's a hot market and will be for as long as LL is determined to throttle the supply.
Imagine, the entire continent is 100% owned, and yet LL refuses to add more sims, preferring to endlessly add sims to the abomination known as Belli
So you say.
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On 12/19/2023 at 7:25 PM, Diablo Lioncourt said:
See in Zindra, where most of my rentals are located, abandoning ANY AMOUNT of land, even 16m2, could result in it being auctioned off promptly.
You could also sell any unwanted land in seconds if you priced it below about 4L/m2. The avatar that purchased it likely would have a completely blank profile and do so sight unseen, and within a day or so one of three big, well-known land companies would be offering it "for sale or rent". They'd not likely have any kind of advertising there, just a rentbox and maybe hedges/trees.
You'd probably have a new neighbor soon either way.
1. The Lindens do not auction 16m parcels on their auction.
2. It's simply not true that "anything below 4L will sell in seconds". Good land might. Bad land might not.
All you have to do to disprove these theses is a) open the auctions and watch them all month or ask the Lindens and b) fly around Zindra for even 10 minutes but longer will provide more coverage.
Most people have a keyhole view of SL based on their immediate impressions from what is happening on their little piece of the grid.
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5 hours ago, Theresa Tennyson said:
Mmm hmm...
In RL, reporting bad behaviour and crime helps deter it. If the report is wrong or malicious, other reports can correct them and in a court of law, prosecute them.
People don't like their bad behaviour and harassment speech reported because then they look bad. But that's a deterrent and helps the entire society develop norms of good behaviour.
In SL, we don't have that, and griefing and harassment escalate, and many people get away with their crimes, misdemeanors, and lies because there is no way to set the record straight within the world. There is no free speech or independent media and on the forums, you cannot name names.
People hate, for example, having an apt one-word description of their bad behaviour on the forums said externally so much that for ever more, they are likely to wildly exaggerate any statements about them and call this process of normality "unethical." It's amazing!
People take for granted these checks and balances in RL so it's astounding that they pretend they aren't needed in SL or denounce them in SL.
Now why do you think that is?-
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16 hours ago, Diablo Lioncourt said:
One way to handle a downturn in business is to abandon land and blame everyone else, especially the deep state and those pesky oligarchs, right?
This is sounding more and more like something we've all heard, and seen in history.
There's always people looking for scapegoats because they aren't doing well.
Once you're comfortably morally superior, and an entitled victim of the "dirty", "savage" people who have whatever it is you want, its just easier to forget the rights of others and impose your will on the minority as some sort of moral edict, the one straight and narrow path to the promised land, the ultimate solution to all social ills, etc.
This is not new. It doesn't usually end well when these prophets are followed.
Hmmm. Where have I seen some abandoned land recently where just the other day, there were 10L skyboxes stacked all the way up, like turtles that go all the way down?
I can't imagine.
I do have a view of it from the land I just abandoned because I didn't manage to find anyone I know online (I hate selling land these days as it gets chopped; I hate abandoning it, too, because the Lindens sell it to choppers.) I was happy to finish cutting yet another 1/4 sim as I have been doing for months so that I am not feeding the Lindens' ad farm training range.
And...I'm very, very familiar with the silly forums trope, whereby people try to rally against a perspective they dislike and can't find arguments again by claiming the holder of that perspective wants to "impose their views."
Where? How? By what means?
On my own sim or half a sim? That's always hard if somebody else's tower is in the view.
But here, have a little more abandoned land, comrade. If you don't have the tier, understood. You'll have to hope nobody gets it and chops it up to dogfood, thus devaluing your rentals. And so on.
"Do unto others as you would do unto them." That is all the law and the prophets as Jesus, to whom it was attributed said at the time.
"An ye harm none, do what ye will" is a pretend ancient saying dreamed up by a drug and sex addict to do what he felt like doing by claiming it didn't hurt anybody. Maybe it hurt himself most of all.
I don't need to create scapegoats; the goats scape themselves.
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18 hours ago, Persephone Emerald said:
Nobody has to work to survive in SL.
Nobody is going to starve, freeze to death, be beaten or killed or imprisioned, have their home destroyed by a fire or storm or warfare, or even have their car damaged by a fallen tree branch or collision in SL. Nobody is going to rob our house or steal parts off our car. Nobody is forced to live with the sound of bombs, gunfire, fighting neighbors, police sirens or helicopters, or crazy people yelling outside.
We can get free clothes and unpack them in a sandbox. We can dress on a sky platform or underwater. We can fly and teleport all over. We can change our appearance with a few clicks of our mouse. We can have an Inventory closet that's almost as big inside as a TARDIS and we can carry it with us everywhere.
I think it's silly to complain that SL is not a democracy when we aren't forced to pay taxes to support its infrastructure and services. I don't see anyone dumping crates of tea into a harbor or protesting Linden Lab's involvement in unjust wars or trade practices. Yes, there are fees, but it's our choice to pay them or not. It's not an entirely free market, but participation in it is optional. We don't even have to use our real names or be forced to see directed ads.
I'm sorry you don't get the fact that this is a prototype -- I'd like to think THE prototype but there are many now -- for how we will in fact all live some day and indeed earn money and indeed pay taxes and everything else.
I guarantee you when we get to that point you will definitely want the world to be a liberal democracy and will rue the day you scorned it.
You might especially appreciate it if you can't even buy a loaf of bread, let alone a jug of water, because some git put you on block in his vendor in SL because he didn't like your blog, and it replicated. Like Wikipedia is now horrendously replicating through chatGPT and will only get worse.
That's why I'm not for blocking people from vendors if you don't like their blog. It's not a good principle. And so on.
Principles and precedents and prototypes matter.
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Always and everywhere, since time immemorial, since Cain and Abel, since Beaver and Eddie Haskell, griefers have pretended that they are cultural or political and you are behind the times and that you just haven't learned to use de-render.
"Am I my brother's keeper?"
"Gee, Mrs. Cleaver, that's a lovely dress!"
It's a method in and of itself so I don't buy it and never have. Move along.