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5 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Have you heard of "allies"? I am not Transgered, but I go to Trans meetings because I am an "ally". 

My company allows men to go to the "Women's" Employee Resource Group meetings because they are "allies".

Same thing with the LGBT ERG, straight "allies" are allowed.

well then,  I guess the black women hadn't heard of allies, or maybe they just wanted you to butt out and let them have their meeting on their own

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5 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said:

That's part of the education system, hon.  It's called "Pre-K".

Yes and in a "perfect" world, pre K wil start before the parents can have any sort of effect on their childrens attitudes, I'm thinking 18 months. 

Get em young and brainwash em right.... errr left

 

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5 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said:

But the argument they used in court was that they are an ARTIST and they cannot be forced to create their ART for someone against their principles. Redonkulous.

Next, Kentucky court Clerks will refuse to issue gay marriage licenses based on their religious beliefs! Art, I tell you! Art!!! ART!!!!

Well you see, if gay marriage is legal in Kentucky, the clerks are obliged to give out marriage licences to anyone qualified.

I personally believe the government should get out of the marriage licence business.

I would prefer to see Civil Union Licences. ANY two people that have a desire to enter into a relationship of mutual support would be eligible to apply.

Then after they get their licence they can go get married, or whatever, to formalize their commitment in a public ceremony.

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5 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said:

One day very very soon, whites will be in the minority in the US. And not through inter-breeding, either! And it will be interesting to see if the tables turn then, or not!

I bet your salivating over the prospect aren't you? 

Oh yes, now those evil whites will see what it is like.

 

 

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54 minutes ago, Klytyna said:

Oh I understand religions all too well, it's why I have refused to join any of them, all my life., and why I never will.
 

I went to a christian church untill i was about 13. One day i was sitting listening to yet another boring story about the Jews and though, why am i listening to this, I'm not Jewish.

I never went back.

 

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2 hours ago, Luna Bliss said:

I was asked to leave a meeting for black women at a music festival, and while I felt awkward having to get up and leave in front of a large room of people, I took it as a learning experience - a chance to experience what it felt like to be excluded on the basis of race.

why were you at the meeting if you weren't black?

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1 minute ago, Love Zhaoying said:

So you think the education system is a tool of the government to indoctrinate our youth? Cool! Apparently, they are doing a pretty crappy job.

i never said the educatonal system i said government funded daycare for all

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5 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Luna, you will notice that when BilliJo's spelling and capitalization suffer, she is apparently being sarcastic. It's hard to tell, I know..

actually when my spelling and capitalization suffer its because im posting on my cell phone

is it time to start the insults yet?

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9 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

..hard to disagree with! Wait, are you trolling again!?!?

i'm not trolling im showing the absurdity of your position by agreeing with you

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2 hours ago, Aethelwine said:

If you have too many preorders to bake my cake then no problem. But if you tell me you aren't baking me a cake because I am gay then yes you are choosing to treat me as second class. Not only are you treating me as second class you are telling me you are, insulting me. 

well strictly speaking it wasnt because they were gay im sure they made many many cakes for gay customers.

the issue was that they wanted a gay wedding cake and the bake shop owner believed that marriage was a union between a man and a woman so he refused because he felt he'd be contributing towards something he was morally opposed to.

 

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3 minutes ago, Nalytha said:

Because moving doesn't imply they are distasteful.... it means they are in the wrong category. 

except there is no trail. any other time they move a thread it says "moved to" in its original location.

its like they are trying to hide it

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2 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said:

You are just so darned ignorant! Place two toddlers, or even pre-school or kindergarten children of different races together, and they play as equals. 

It is only once their parents, and society, have introduced prejudice do these same children exhibit prejudice.

yes thats why its so important to get children into government funded daycare as early as possible to negate the effects of their evil racist parents

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okey i see they have changed the location of the thread again now its located in merchants.

why dont the mods just delete this thread if the topics being discussed are so distasteful?

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2 hours ago, Theresa Tennyson said:

You've said some things in this thread that have led you to a very interesting place.

1) Government services should be equally available.

2) VITAL services should be equally available.

3) Private businesses should be allowed to choose their clientele.

 

When you put them together, you come to - 

4) No private business can provide a vital service, because their right to choose their clientele would mean that their services may not be equally available.

5) Therefore, all vital services have to be provided by the government.

 

Do you know what this makes you?

 

(wait for it...)

 

A socialist.

yes its true i believe that the government probably do a better job of providing cakes to everyone.

i think cake baking should be made a government service then everyone could have equil access to cakes

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2 hours ago, Luna Bliss said:

and Gadget said:

"To be fair, the whole "forced customers" thing is one of those lose/lose situations.

Without a law like this, minorties and the like may suffer. With a law like this, many innocent business owners suffer."

The fact that you have equated the suffering of "minorities and the like" with "many innocent business owners" demonstrates the crux of the problem -- there is no empathy or very little awareness on your parts that the amount of suffering by minorities is so much greater than what a business owner would experience.

Being considered a 2nd class citizen and not worthy of the same rights as others is a pain that causes immense damage to those targeted. It's the constant, unrelenting message of 'you are bad for who you are, you are not worthy of the respect others are given'. Feeling excluded causes poor self-esteem, unfulfilled potential, and even the terror of living life in fear -- all because one is simply born a certain way (a person of color, gay, disabled).
Really, you guys need to read some books, watch some movies -- whatever it takes to get a sense of how the marginalized people in a society experience life. I have a feeling that if some empathy really sunk in you would feel stupid for complaining about baking a freaking cake for someone.

im not complaining about baking a cake im saying people shouldnt consider their human rights or civil rights have been violated just because someone refuses to enter into an agreement to bake them a cake

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2 hours ago, Nalytha said:

 

 

So... what you are saying is that you think some of us in this thread are eugenicists who want to eliminate the white race? 

Huh.... that's weird... kind of goes against what I'd consider self preservation ... but ... okay... 

i never said that. i was just offering an example of wacked out thinking by some wacked out antiracists.

i read a line on an antiracism web site once 

"treason against the white race is loyality to the human race"

so yes eliminating whites thru preferential breeding is an acceptable strategy to some in the grand struggle to end racism

funny thing though it seems like racism against whites

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2 minutes ago, Nalytha said:

Riiiiight... but your argument is that he will change his policy because it will hurt him. 

 

he might decide pandering to his other customers is a more successful business model and never change

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2 minutes ago, Nalytha said:

What? o.0 

i was at an anti racist meeting in rl one time. one of the activists told me that the only way to end racism in the world was to breed the white race out of existance

see, no whites, no racism

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1 minute ago, Nalytha said:

 

I just don't get it. We already discussed how there were businesses who refused to serves blacks, regardless of the 'color of their money' and refused to change until there was 'government coercion.' 

and it was their right to decide who to serve

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6 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Thankfully, we have laws against at least SOME types of discrimination in real life.

yes its a terrible violation of your human and civil rights if someone refuses to bake you a cake

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1 hour ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Yes. The point is, to raise a generation who is WITHOUT prejudice.  That is impossible to do without setting an example for each next generation.

Or don't you want a world without prejudice?

prejudice is a natural human condition. if the truth be told what you and others in this thread really want is a world free of white prejudice

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2 hours ago, Phil Deakins said:

Please yourself. Cling onto that if it helps, but what you can't deny is that you were dead wrong about Ceasar having anything to do with conquering Britain, which is your actual claim that brought you into this little sidetrack in the first place.

To refresh your memory, contrary to what you claimed, Ceasar didn't conquer Britain. He came for a short visit, that's all. He did, however, conquer Rome, when he led his army back to Rome to oust the existing government and take over. Perhaps that's what you were thinking of

im not clinging to anything please show me where i said julius caesar conquered britain. someone said the inhabitants defeated caesar i said romans conquered britain and remained about 300 years i dont recall saying julius caesar did it. in your usual quest to prove me wrong you once again responded to what you thought i said instead of what i actually said

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1 minute ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Wow, I thought Talligurl was supporting your logic. lulz.

yes she is thats why i deleted my post when i realized she wrote it . unfortunatly you replied before i deleted the text

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1 hour ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Worst. Business. Model.

yes its a terrible business model but eventually the business owner will see he is hurting himself and change his policy. no government coersion required

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2 hours ago, Talligurl said:

Favorable areas? You mean they need to be able to move out of the areas where the 10 percent live, and go to the places where the 90 percent are. This whole attitude just perpetuates the problems and leaves those left behind all the poorer. Your social programs are not compassionate, they perpetuate the divisions between the rich and the poor, and leave behind the majority of those they claim to be helping.

i agree. its the democrats fault that there are more and more poor people. democrats love poor people because if u give them money they will vote for you to give them more