BilliJo Aldrin
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Just now, Luna Bliss said:
Government services are being privatized at an alarming rate, so where can the line be drawn so that vital services are not denied to minorities or those less accepted by the majority?
I'm not talking about vital services here, I'm talking about a retail store.
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1 minute ago, Luna Bliss said:
Thanks to "government interference", prejudice against people of color is less accepted now and so a prejudiced restaurant in most parts of the country would not do as well financially.
Studying History, I see that generally people do not generally give up a power without pressure/force/rules.What power? The power to decide who your customers are going to be?
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1 minute ago, lostsoul2017 said:
fairly sure that if you went to the 'wrong' restaurant your family/community/coworkers/etc would have someone to say. we live in a social society. no one wants to be outcast for 'doing what they feel is right'. which is why people usually work with the government to chance these things. think back to 1940. how many blacks would have had the money to setup a private airline? so if an airline put up the words "whites only". does that mean only white people would be able to take airplanes to travel? someone who is black COULD setup an airline. what is the chances of that person being able to secure the financing/approvals in, say Montana. it is much easier to say that the market will correct itself than to have it in real life. there are still places that do not welcome people of color, even if the government has said they must allow them in. just because you allow someone in, doesn't mean you are nice or welcoming in any way.
but anyway, i'll stop commenting now so it's not a BillieJo and Lost thread LOL. others may want to comment on things.
take care BillieJo, and happy new year.
ahh yes, the government will legislate every social interaction to ensure "fairness". I feel so much better now.
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Suppose someone opened a restaurant, and posted a sign that said... "no blacks allowed".
Someone else opens a restaurant next door that says "everyone welcome"
If everything else was the same, (quality of service, price, etc) which restaurant will thrive and which one will fail?
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Just now, lostsoul2017 said:
in a perfect world yes a market place would decide. unfortunately from history, we know that it is not true. marketplaces/finances are usually controlled by one group or another. that group usually has a privileged position in society. that also normally leverages it's privileged position to control the access to opening new locations. in real life, the people that could put up the 'whites only' or 'blacks only' signs in a town, may also control many other functions in that town. permit control, inspections, etc.
if the market places could control equal access, then governments around the world would not have had to get involved in giving people equal access to basic human rights and dignities.
make no mistake, i realize fully well that people don't change their nature just because they are in SL and not in real life. People that would discriminate against others in real life will definitely discriminate against others in Second Life. Our behavior doesn't change just because we are in a virtual world.
I really do wish that you are right and that a market could dictate which businesses survive. Unfortunately, humans don't really have a history of doing the right thing. Marketplaces reflect upon our society as a whole.
I'm talking about private business. Government services should be equally available to everything.
I think forced segregation was wrong, but, I think forced integration is equally wrong.
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3 minutes ago, lostsoul2017 said:
the reply below is not directed AT you billijo, but at people that like to discriminate:
absolutely they should be allowed to discriminate. i mean who wants blacks, Chineses, Woman or any other group they don't like on their property. i'm with you. all those women marching in the streets were silly for wanting the right to be treated equally were silly. same with those black people in the US wanting to sit anywhere on the bus or use the same restrooms. seriously anyone should be allowed to discriminate based on anything they want to. because we all know that human beings are fair and considerate creatures that will care about others. *end sarcasm* <- put here as some people MAY miss it.
businesses in SL that discriminate may be able to do it for a long time as people treat it like a 'game' or a 'sim'. but business owners should be aware that they can actually be sued in California courts for discrimination and could cost them tens of thousands of real life dollars to fight it. not sure why they would want to take the risk. might be easier to just write, "we welcome everyone but most of our customers are "XXXX"".
if you are not sure if a business policy is wrong, try substitute the words "black only" or "white only" and see if it still sounds right. an easy way to figure things out.
as you may tell, i may have strong feelings about people discriminating. your feelings may differ. you may be fine with people discriminating on others. until you face it yourself. I respect everyone's choice to care about only themselves but personal i prefer my world and my SL to be a bit more inclusive.
So there's no misunderstanding, my statement included the situation of posting the words "Whites Only" or "Blacks Only" on a private business establishment, either in SL or RL.
The marketplace should decide if a business that restricts its customer base should thrive or fail.
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ooo I typed Addams into search on mp and that top came up on the first page. Its totally a deal, I'm gonna buy it for myself
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Phew, for a minute there I thought you were having a Whites only party.
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3 hours ago, Hunter Stern said:
I have done some searching (after running into yet another random sim as advertising itself to only allow one gender). The reason I bring this up is because after reviewing the CS and Tos and Linden Policy links, NOTHING is truly covered other than adhering to state and federal statues where they may apply to that region , also the fact that Linden Lab Inc. is still bound by state and federal law under jurisdiction of the State of California.
Now those technicalities out of the way, let me give you a picture of what I feel I have encountered (and not just recently) but over a span of a decade in Second Life.
There are various sims as we all know that are advertised as Female AV only, and Male AV only, or Human only or Furry only , etc. the 'Only' part being important here. If I were to open a sim or business in SL with the intent of making returnable revenue through cash out and I advertised my establishment as whites only , do you seriously think I would or should be allowed IF and I say, IF my business is recognized as a public venture with within full scope of search and advertising , not limited to but also the Second Life Marketplace page?
I went to a sim tonight that was advertised as female only and it states clearly it is for women only as a mall, and upon further inspection yes , they have advertised services for apparel to name just one of those content services offered, (I suppose they have never heard of a guy window shopping for a gift idea or even for himself ).
So as it stands now , discrimination at public (technically all businesses on search are deemed public) is allowed.
Is this something Second Life should uphold or is there some correction that should be made? I do realize that ones private residence is not subject to the same rules as commercial ventures (especially if they also are not advertised in search)?
Do we as residents truly have the right to exclusivity , when we already agreed to a Tos and CS which are in conflict with such exclusivity on the basis of 'Intolerance' ?
Personally for me, if I go to someones private home and they ask that I be a specific gender to enter, that is their prerogative as per privacy and personal space in SL, and I can choose to simply not go. But if it is an adverised location and business, I do feel that those business's should be subject to a higher standard like many things that real law and statues effect.
Maybe I'm wrong in my feelings on this (I'm not one as of late for Social Justice agenda's personally) but I don't (or haven't seen) the topic brought to a better light or focus , since we do discuss various policies and norms in SL and how it effects our day to day in SL as active residents.
yes one should be able to totally discriminate based on any criterion they choose in deciding who they will allow on their property as customers.
I'm gonna get royally roasted for saying this but I think business owners should have that same right in real life too.
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21 minutes ago, Tari Landar said:
This girl
Me too. I'm much happier just being me instead of some one else's version of perfection.
One time I had a guy tell me oh you look amazing, I must photograph you for a layout.
When I showed up, first thing he said was "lose the bunny ears"
Umm no, byeeeeee
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4 hours ago, Nalytha said:
Why do you want to be a model? Is it to make lindens? You can easily make the cash to buy lindens much more effectively than trying to make them modeling. I don’t even mean just work more irl. You could sell some stuff you don’t use, donate blood or sperm or eggs, pick up an odd job on Craigslist. Time is money. You have the ask yourself if you want to put in serious hours for what amounts to few real life dollars.
You work in SL because... you are in SL while you work.
I escort whenever I get the chance, not because I need the money, I buy all the Lindens I need, but because I like getting paid for doing something I enjoy and would do anyway.
If I make enough money to cover my rent, then that's a bonus, but its not why I do it.
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There's big money to be made in modeling in Second Life... as the owner of a modeling school. Avatars pay big bucks to learn how to be a fashion model.
Lesson number one, max out your height slider, because doncha know even in RL all supermodels are 8 ft tall.
After spending only thousands of lindens you too can be a fashionista, a runway model, adored by all the lowly avatars (like myself) that secretly snicker at you every time they see you.
And, I speak from experience, one of my SL sisters constantly implores me to lift myself from the muck of the common herd to join her at the peak of fashion model perfection.
*rolls eyes*
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Just now, Syo Emerald said:
I think we misunderstand each other. My reply to the first quote that sparked this debatte was not the part about child avatars, but the last part, about account age which was the original topic of the OP, before child avatars got mentioned later in the comments.
Oh okey, my bad
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8 minutes ago, Syo Emerald said:
...and just like that, I'm free to ask for a "why" and from an opinion about the reason presented. People are free to be assholes, but everyone else is free to see them as such.
But...thats not a "rule of SL". If it was, if new accounts weren't allowed by the ToS to visit any sim rated A (or even M, which by the way is both only for adults), SL would have died long ago.
The reason is I don't like kids, they are creepy and I don't want them on my land. They have every right to be in SL, just not on my property.
I don't appreciate being called an a s s h o l e just for setting my own rules about who can be on my land.
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*imagining the next 10 posts on this topic*
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2 minutes ago, Syo Emerald said:
Have those new accounts done anything bad to you...or do you just feel they aren't worthy to visit your place?
We have visited this topic before.
No one has to justify banning any individual, or class of individual from their property
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1 minute ago, J4NE Zane said:
Thank you for all your replies, I'll sit on the roof with a shot gun. lol
Make sure you enable life first.
I wanted a friend of mine to set up his property for the gold hunt quest, then we could at snipe anyone that showed up, but he was afraid there would be something ARable about that.
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1 minute ago, J4NE Zane said:
Yes I banned child avatars from mine but putting an account age limit takes some controlling
There's nothing more satisfying than watch a child avi flying off your property when you eject and ban them.
*grins*
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4 hours ago, Bastilla Loon said:
Also true in real life.
I generally try to keep my ARC under 100,000. I'll echo what some others say; there is sometimes a single object that shoots your complexity way up, and it's way out of line with what that object needs. Some designers are better than others at making mesh objects that don't use way too many polygons. Sometimes you get something that looks like it ought to be simple, but is way over-subdivided.
I'm usually right around 100,000. When i'm at a club I'll render each person in turn. If i like what i see, they stay rendered, otherwise its back to jelly land for them
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27 minutes ago, Klytyna said:
Reminds me of a lag-pit of a place we cynics used to call "Boredom Ranch", over on the "Feedumb Incontinent"...
50 over scripted avatars all standing about waiting for one of the other 49 to IM them and say "Hi ur hawt, wanna kinky poseball with some badly written para?"
I went there several times and not once did anyone say anything in local.
*grins*
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On 12/28/2017 at 3:28 PM, Talligurl said:
So we get a whole sim full of people who are afraid to speak to each other?
That's sounds like any random s e x sim one might happen to visit
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4 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said:
I wonder if you can define as a town - not just a beach - as "Nude OK, No sexual activity allowed" - like Real Life nude resorts, and get away with being "Moderate"?
On a moderate sim, any land owner can designate any part of his property as nudity permitted.
I've lost track of how many property owners on moderate sims have told me to cover up because being nude on moderate is against the TOS.
To be honest I think a lot of them know it isn't against TOS to be nude on a moderate sim, they just want to make LL look like the heavy instead of showing themselves to be uptight prudes.
And yes I'm fully aware of "their parcel, their rules" which is why I leave without making a fuss when they say something.
*shrugs*
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18 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:
Interesting definition of Moderate vs. Adult at that link:
Is simple nudity without sex Adult?
Depending on context, nudity may not require an Adult rating. For example all of the following could be rated Moderate:
- A nude beach without sexual activity.
- Skin vendors showing a nude skin to display the product.
- Nude art that is not sexual.
- Strip clubs that do not use adult words in search or host sex furniture.
Depending on the context, exposed genitalia may not be considered Adult. For example:
- Hanging out at a nude beach would be fine.
- Walking around pants-less on the mainland could be inappropriate.
Non-sexualized depictions of nudity are Moderate NOT Adult.
I love how LL contradicts itself. Non sexual nudity is fine, but on the other hand, walking around nude isn't fine.
*rolls eyes*
Sometimes I think LL rules are not meant to clarify, but to create confusion
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All profiles, since they are viewable by anyone on the internet are supposed to have no adult content at all in them.
Important: Content in profiles must be General, and must obey the Terms of Service and Community Standards.
https://community.secondlife.com/knowledgebase/english/profiles-r395/
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Should commercial ventures and estates in SL be allowed to discriminate?
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Ok obviously race is a sensitive topic, lets change it to smoking.
Should I be able to open a restaurant and hang out a sign that says smoking allowed anywhere on the premesis?