Tonya Souther

My guess is that llTeleportAgentHome() came first. Its function ID is 158, as opposed to 213 for llEjectFromLand().

You speak of loaded language, and yet you talk about "entitlement"... And the expectation that people will be good neighbors is what holds society together.

I just tested. Ban lines dim at 12 meters distance and disappear at 20. Edited to add: The red area on the minimap (for Firestorm users, you can see it if you enable parcel boundaries on the minimap by right-clicking it, then Show->Parcel Boundaries) does not appear until the ban lines become visible, so it's only useful once you've gotten close enough to the ban line to see that, too. And, of course, the only way you know you've tripped over a zero-second orb is when you're back home without your vehicle. So...anyone who claims that people can see blocked parcels in time to avoid them is simply incorrect.

If you're going to close off your space, use something visible from a distance so people can avoid it. Neither zero-second orbs nor ban lines are visible from a distance.

"Ceci n'est pas une pipe". In the context of SL, it's a sailboat. Sailboats can't sail upwind in a straight line...well, they can, but not in the direction of the wind. They have to zigzag across it. There's nothing wonky about that; it's basic physics, and is one of the very first things anyone sailing a sailboat learns. I do know how this works. I also understand that there's little point in sailing a sailboat in SL that doesn't act like a real one. That's part of the challenge (and one I have yet to master, myself).

Indeed so. As it happens, I'm selling the parcel in question, and expect to take a loss on it (for a nontrivial amount of US$)...although there are actually four exits to protected Linden water, this thread has convinced me that, even if most people are good neighbors, it only takes one to spoil things, and some people only care for themselves, not for the good of others.

When the channel was blocked, it had been open to use for the several days I had had land in the area. It was also named "[region] Channel - 15 Minutes Traverse Time". And there was no sign posted, just an invisible ship blocking it. No ban line, no warnings, no security orb, nothing. What inference would you draw from that name and those circumstances, not having been steeped in the culture of landowner godlike powers prevalent in this discussion? Me, I inferred that as long as I didn't stay in the channel more than 15 minutes, but rather traversed it directly and as expeditiously as reasonable and prudent (no, that doesn't mean run my race boat down it at 70+ knots), there would be no problem.

I've got no problem with this statement. But if they don't tell me they don't want me there, then they don't get to complain about my trespassing before telling me it's private property and giving me a chance to leave peacefully.

They do indeed make the rules. And when they do so in an unfriendly manner, they get to take the heat for that, too. If you're going to restrict access to your land, then put up No Trespassing signs. Preferably, ones not as obnoxious as a ban line.

I guess you missed that they're sailing a sailboat. Sailboats have to tack in order to sail close to upwind. If you look at the picture, you will see both that they are at the very corner of the banned parcel and that they are on a tack that takes them back toward the center of the channel. Further, you must have missed the poster saying that the pink didn't show up on the minimap until it was too late to avoid. Do try to keep up, mrrrr?

The problem is that there's no way to tell until you're too close to it to avoid crashing into the otherwise invisible barrier. Me, I'd go farther, and put channel marker buoys on both sides of the open water, As it happens, I've purchased a plot bordering Linden water, and have dedicated a channel down through it...with markers on both sides. Stay between the channel markers and you'll be fine. You see, I believe in being a good neighbor, so the adjacent parcels are just as welcome to use the channel sa the renters in my lands.

The minimap display won't tell you about a channel that's "just there for the use of our renters".

That's half the answer. The other half is whether the parcel is Linden-owned, or private but open, or private but with a security orb that allows transiting, or private but with a security orb that is set to a short enough time to not allow transiting, or private with a zero-second orb, or private with ban lines.

Really? Now, if you live close to an airport, that's one thing, but if you don't, then a single-engine piston airplane flying over at 5000 feet or so is not going to be something you notice - unless you're a pilot, that is, and like looking up at airplanes. Similarly, an aircraft flying at 150 or 200 meters over your property on the surface isn't going to affect you at all. (Distances in SL are compressed, relative to RL, when it comes to flying, simply because otherwise region crossings happen far too often to allow for any real flying before things go south. My Twin Otter cruises between 16 and 20 knots in SL; the RL version cruises at about 150 to 160.)

And I had no idea - and no way of knowing - that that channel was "there for the use of our renters". How many people know about your definition of due diligence in this instance? How should they find out? No, "they should just know" is not adequate.

OK, so let me throw this at you: the parcel with the channel is named "[region] Channel (M) - 15 Minutes Traverse Time". What would you think upon seeing that? And yet that was the channel that was blocked and that produced this whole thread.

Please stop putting words into my mouth and feelings into my mind, thank you! I never said that it was not a landowner's right to prohibit entry into his property. Not once. I never said that I am entitled to use anyone else's property. Not once. Until you demonstrate that you actually read what I have to say and consider it, not what you *think* I'm saying, I see no reason to engage with you further.

I can't help what you read into my words, but I guarantee that I'm not putting any hidden meanings in there...just what I actually say.

It would be nice if you read what I wrote...I said I don't feel entitled to anything.

How am I supposed to know it's private land? Edit to add: And in RL, I can fly pretty much anywhere I want except for places that that are restricted by government edict - and those places are clearly marked on aviation charts. On the water in RL, the story is much the same.

If someone doesn't want me to trespass, I will honor their wishes - but if they're going to tell me they don't want me there by pitching me out of my aircraft and having me back home while it flies on without me, then I'm not going to consider that a friendly warning. I'm not trying to snoop. Really, I'm not. It's all I can handle to fly the airplane and talk to ATC and figure out where my next turn is going to be and do I need to start my descent yet? and reconfigure the aircraft so that descent is nice and smooth instead of a plunge into the water and oh crap there's a hill right in front of me so turn now!. I don't have time to cam in on people in their homes. And despite your snark about "be[ing] outraged about "how am I supposed to know?"", I have no *way* of knowing that the landowner prefers not to have me there except to find myself in the water or back at my home. You can rest assured that if I find myself in that position, after I find a rez zone and go back and rez out another copy of my airplane and take off and complete the GTFO! trip I'm working on, you can bet I'll avoid that bit of airspace in the future, as well as noting it a hazard to air navigation in things like the Shergood Aviation GPS database...but, sadly, that is far from complete. There are plenty of landowners who have no problem with people flying over or boating through. There are plenty who do. I wish the former was the norm, instead of the latter. And no, despite folks here's snark, it's not a sense of entitlement. I do have difficulty understanding why a landowner would not want people sailing through their waterway - especially when they're not there, and therefore not doing anything that needs privacy - or flying through their airspace, but I do recognize that that is their right. I just wish they'd exercise that right in a way that's not destructive.

It's called being neighborly and cooperative. I'm not demanding a doggone thing. I'm asking people to be considerate to other users of Second Life. Then report them for harassment. But if I'm flying my Twin Otter 150 meters over a corner of your land, am I harassing you? I agree this one's not reasonable. Even if I'm on the plane in a speedboat at 20 knots, things are happening too fast for me to go casually camming around. OTOH, I'm not going to drive my speedboat into your living room, deliberately. (I make no promises about region crossings......) And how am I supposed to know I'm about to do that? Again, I'm not demanding a doggone thing. I'm asking people to be considerate. (And once the landowner I mentioned in the original message and I came to an agreement, I quit thinking about returning his being inconsiderate.) A little consideration for others goes a long, long way. A 60 second orb isn't problematic at all. It takes me far less than 60 seconds to get across even an entire sim. If it's a 0-second orb, though, then you may well find my Twin Otter in your living room. If you do, delete it or return it; it shouldn't be there. It's called "being a good neighbor". Good neighbors, in turn, do not abuse the kindness of their neighbors. I've been on Second Life for 11 years. This is the first time I've owned waterfront property. How am I supposed to *know* that people block what appear to be open waterways and check that the access I think is there really is?

I'd love not to drive through someone else's yard. Sadly, there's no good way to know you're about to do that.

Evidently they are. They most certainly should not be. If you want to keep people out like that, set up a ban line, ferchrissakes. At least that way you don't leave your vehicle behind when the thing throws you out.

Did I claim that people had the right to roam on others' lands? What I said is that someone who can control - as in end - access to major waterways from other parcels or regions should dedicate public accessways for all to use. Did I argue for trespassing? No. Did I suggest taking their land by mandate? No. But I do think they should do the right thing.