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Monavie Voight wrote: I'll be honest that I'm not familiar at all with the security devices mentioned. I read all of the comments. I wonder what is so different in SL? One comment was about being scanned without consent. We are scanned every place we go (in the usa) without our consent. We are watched at street lights and scanned for security purposes. I don't think it's right, but it's being done. So what is the difference? Is it because SL is thought to be able to be a 'utopian' world so peeps don't want anything to bust their bubble inworld? I don't get it. Facebook is linked with so many businesses that if you are buying something at some internet store next time you go into facebook your store, and even the item you purchased, will be popping up in your ads on your home page and wall. Talk about evasion. How many people in here use ANY applications in facebook, for example, (not to pick on facebook alone)? Every application you accept you are giving them 100% access to your most private information, pictures, comments, etc. to be used at their discretion without any required future permissions from you. There is no such thing as not being 'plugged' in unless you live as a hermit somewhere, and even then, there's someone watching you... To answer your comment about not understanding and what the big deal is. The scanners are collecting your avatar name with your ip address and collating it with other avatar names that have used the same IP address. Then it is reselling your IP address and name(s) to anyone who has about $20 USD. What is the big deal 1) revealing Alts unless you do it is a Linden Labs TOS infringement. 2) data mining is theft of your privacy, its along the lines of somone using a card reader to swipe your purse/wallet when you walk in to record: name, address, credit card number and any other information gathered from your electronic striped cards (( )) 3) using Geolocation programs stalkers can end up at your doorstep ((http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geolocation)) 4) people who buy Redzone are given an opt out ability. (that means its extortion to get you to buy if you dont want your information made public at worst and that users of Redzone will not subject themselves to same tactis they subject customers too. This is not the same as traffic cams and store cameras. They are not putting your license plate number with your name in a database then reselling that information to anyone while keeping thier own information out. As for websites like facebook, they are not reselling your ip address with email to other companies and individuals unless you consent. The whole concept is not about IP mining, it is about data mining (matching your ip with other data and reselling your information without your consent) Another post mentioned saver cards, again the individual filled out an application which they probably did not read and agreed to have their information resold.

This is a sad day indeed. It is one of the gems of Second Life. With its passing, it is like watching your childhood playground being bulldozed to put in a multilevel parking lot. Numbakulla, you will be missed. <sheds a tear>

Clarissa Lowell wrote: You know what's ironic? In one of the rants the mall owner IMed to me, she was saying how she uses Red Zone innocently (I never even IMed her or another of the three who IMed, at all, before they IMed me btw) and that (she named a person I forgot his name) so and so uses it just to look up people he dislikes and get them banned anywhere he can. And yet in her next IM she was telling me that I'm a "little griefer" and she has read my (supposed) alts (she never named them, I didn't want to know or ask anyway.) Just to make me feel bad I'm sure. So I don't think she uses it so innocently after all. They all seem to think they use it innocently but even if they don't use it in an argument they are still adding the names so other people can. My question would be: Isn't the device itself breaking disclosure TOS since IT is disclosing information I don't want strangers to know? It's telling it to another avatar I never met before...So does it have to be an avatar telling another avatar, to break disclosure TOS or can it be a thing telling another avatar. Because that thing told something about me to some crazy lady and who knows who she told by now. I'm not afraid of her but it made me feel really bad. I just do not feel the same about SL until this is all gone. Hey Clarissa, You need to AR each person who IMed you. Include that they are using redzone and using the alt feature as well as the copy of the content of the IM. When they IMed being abusive, they are harassing you. Yes, it is a TOS violation as of March 1, especially the use of the alt detection portion.