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1 minute ago, Dorientje Woller said:

Mwah ... you can also check their rezz date. If you someone joined SL 16 years ago, that would not be a preteen/teen in RL.

Then those of us who joined more recently could be screwed even if we go around looking like the Crypt Keeper. 😂 

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4 hours ago, Blush Bravin said:

Actually I think that that age range could be a problem. Look at Epstein as an example. All the young women in that case would be seen as edge cases here in SL. It would be hard to tell if they are of high school age or over 18. That's still an issue. So honestly, my opinion is age up as much as possible just to be on the safe side or don't go near adult land. My two cents.

I will say, though, that Epstein had actual real minors there whose real ages could be discovered. The problem wasn't so much that people looked young in his orbit, it's that they actually were.

I think it's going to be less of a PR problem for SL if someone (for example) snaps a picture in an adult club and some people look ambiguously late teens-ish. Because if anyone were to dig into the real people behind the avatars, they're probably legal and well beyond. And their appearance alone is not enough to be shocking. Lots of legal adults look young.

What they don't want (IMO) is images of naked prepubescents up to no good, because there's no ambiguity and it shocks people even if the real people piloting the avatars are 60.

[Content creators for Child bodies.]

2 hours ago, Rowan Amore said:

Anything made for child/teen specific bodies such as Tweenster and to some extent, Rebirth Eve, should only BE general content.  That strippable bikini for Rebirth really bothers me when I know that can fit a child as well as an adult.  It says the bra can't be stripped on the flat but nothing about the bottom.  😕

Well, they do that because it's one single item. The way the bodies are made, the same undies (or pants, or skirts) fit all of the Rebirth variations. So there won't be a separate one for the flat (usually child) size. It's kind of like Maitreya and Maitreya Petite fitting the same bottoms.

But I would hope they have a non-strippable version in there anyway. Like if you get an outfit from Vanilla Bae (who doesn't make anything for children), it comes with a PG version too that's not scripted to strip.

 

Edited to add: I think I found the item, and yeah, there doesn't appear to be a no-strip option for the bottoms, which isn't good. (I did find one other strippable bikini that includes Rebirth, but it does not have Flat at all, and there's also a no strip version for sale.)

[Content creators for Child bodies.]

3 minutes ago, brodiac90 said:

Oh I agree. 

I think it's probably a bad marketing decision in addition to being inappropriate. Surely the slice of the market that will click "Women's Clothing" in their search for swimsuits is bigger.

[New Men's Body. Let's guess how much buy-in they'll get.]

I'm wondering if the second commenter got confused and thought only the CZ Slim was on sale, but it looks to me like it's all of the bodies, and the first commenter just mentioned CZ Slim because that's the body they have.

 

[Content creators for Child bodies.]

Rebirth certainly is. (I sell a ballet outfit for Rebirth; while the outfit is not risque, I've changed the ad pic of it to grownup!Rebirth for the time being--I think the modesty bra will show when they roll out, so I don't want to have an ad pic that doesn't show one where one should be, if that makes sense.)

[Content creators for Child bodies.]

It's my guess that if it's just skimpy, one could wear it...over the required modesty garments. But the strippable aspect is another thing entirely. They might need to disable that feature (which shouldn't have been there anyway tbh).

[New Men's Body. Let's guess how much buy-in they'll get.]

1 hour ago, Sid Nagy said:

So the fitting sizes for regular shapes were already sold out?
And then people wonder why males don't buy much fashion in Second Life.

I'm so confused right now! What's a "regular shape" and where does it say anything was sold out?

[Will The New TOS on Child Avatars Ensnare Short Adults?]

So height is the one measurement I've never changed since my starter avi, except for RP characters who were supposed to not look like me. When making my shapes for various bodies, I've kept that number the same. I checked once and apparently I'm about 6 feet tall, which would be unusually tall for a woman in RL though not unheard of; in SL it feels like a good proxy for my real height of 5'6". When I'm out and about, I'm taller than some women, and shorter than most men, which "feels" correct because that's how it is in RL at 5'6". 

Interestingly, it translates a little differently depending on mesh body--my Legacy is taller than my Maitreya without my changing anything.

[Discuss or Comments about Child, Adult, Can't Tell Thread]

For those posting in the guessing thread, it does help if we can see your face clearly!

[How to get such a body?]

Niramyth Aesthetic is probably your best bet.

[Something to consider about Second Life beyond people playing around with some garbage behavior.]

1 hour ago, Ayashe Ninetails said:

Oh shoot, I forgot about height deformers...need...

Yeah no, I'm not at all concerned with my own height in terms of adult content or anything. It's just a stylistic choice for certain avatars I run.

It's just that out in the wild, I see mostly shorter women and some of the guys are up there, but it doesn't seem overly noticeable. 

The ONLY person I've seen that I'd classify as a "giant" is a woman who showed up to last year's Fantasy Faire wearing one of those humongous giant avatars. Like, we'd be as tall as her ankle kind of humongous. Seriously cool avatar, but damn, lol.

She's a regular there and she's cool! One day I will need to ask her how she finds such fabulous clothes for that avi. 

[The new ToS and something I don't think was taken into consideration by LL.]

I'm just picturing a bunch of disembodied bras and undies floating around SL, waiting for their avatars to log back on.

[Lindens Statements from Governance Meeting]

Just now, Ayashe Ninetails said:

Yep - just a quick overview into how a furry is made:

You buy the animal head and it comes with a male and female neck fit and you can slap it on any human body. Then you grab a skin/mod kit that will typically include your BOM skin and parts (ears, tail, etc.). This is how you can turn a base dog head into a wolf or a fox - the mod kit is your overall style and coloring/markings for the head and body. You can further customize with feet/hands made to fit your specific body. You may have to do some manual texturing here and there, unless your separate parts are BOM. Kits sometimes include a note like "compatible with Anima Travelers Skitters or something to let you know it'll include the textures you need for those parts so you can match your addon feet to the rest of your body.

Then you go shopping in any store that supports whatever human body you're built on.

 

Thanks! Yeah, I'm familiar with full furry bodies like the Jomo avatars, less familiar with modding the human bodies. But I can definitely see the appeal--much more clothing (and anything else you might want) to choose from!

[Lindens Statements from Governance Meeting]

10 minutes ago, Ayashe Ninetails said:

That's just clothing for Maitreya, Reborn, Jake, Kario, CZ Slim, Anatomy, Legacy M/F, etc.

Most current furries use human bodies and shop in like...Addams.

That makes a lot of sense. I'd seen a lot of bovines and foxes and dragons around who were wearing stuff I knew was in human sizes, and wasn't sure if they were using furry heads on human bodies or just, like, a lot of alphas.

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36 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

I think and hope, that while WE may have used "confused" (for "not sure"), Gov'nance will take other things into account and as often as not, "err on the side of not a child".

And there's a lot of space between "hell, I dunno" and "I'm going to report this." Or at least there is for me, and I hope for most reasonable people.

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Just now, Blaise Glendevon said:

I think we're dialing in on the distinction here. Body type is probably not going to be the dividing line between whether an avatar is welcomed to Total Orgy Island or wherever. Faces are probably going to be the first line of scrutiny, and context going from there. 

And even in the case of Blush, whose face looked young to me with the pigtails but older with it down, it wasn't a clear-cut case, and not something I'd even consider ARing. I'd have voted Child if that were the case. 

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Oh, our classrooms are more modern too, but I figured younger kids' classrooms probably looked more modern now too and it was more of a retro vibe. But I haven't been in one of those in a while! Lol

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Just now, Scylla Rhiadra said:

Like others here, I'm a bit bemused, but also enlightened, by the overall reactions to my pic, which was supposed to represent a roughly 15 year old.

Now, in fairness, I didn't put an awful lot of work into making her look younger. I used the Genus "Babyface" head, which gives a generally younger look, adjusted the shape to reduce breast and hips, and put her in a baggy hoodie. But she using an adult skin.

But I'd have thought that the context of the pic -- clearly a school classroom -- might also have contributed to seeing her as younger?

Just shows to go ya . . . representing age isn't a simple thing.

See, and I work at a university, and I see rooms that look like that full of adults all the time, and adults who look like that all the time. They look too young for me to personally date, but they can vote!  Her facial definition says more adult than child to me.

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10 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

What I found interesting in the other thread and why I posted 2 pics.is that it's the exact same avatar.  The only thing changed is hair and outfit.  The one more.people found younger or questionable even had cleavage showing.when some have said cleavage seems.to.show an older look.   Interesting.

 

I was one of the ones who voted confused, and yet I had no qualms in the second pic and it is clearly the same avi--I think partly it was the hairstyle, but also it was the first one I voted on so maybe my calibration was off. *shrugs* 

[Creators who stopped creating:]

On 5/3/2024 at 4:15 PM, Henry Hutchence said:

Sadly, kean kelly of [keke] died in RL.

As did Kerryth Tarantal, the creator behind Spyralle.

We also miss the magnificent prim craftsman Scope Cleaver, who built the Estonian Embassy in SL (now gone) and many other amazing buildings (all gone) -- he left SL when mesh came to town.

 

I had feared that about Spyralle. I knew she was ill, and then had gone silent. Sad to hear it.  I have a couple of colors of her Morgane gown from my first Fantasy Faire (2021) and a few other things.

[Looking for middle-aged or older mesh avatar/skin/appearance]

Poema does some nice older skins. Less plastic boomer, more wise sorceress.

[seams or no seams on textures]

That looks like a seam in the mesh. You can see it when you use a texture because it breaks the pattern; with a solid color you can't see it. But it's just kind of a necessarily evil with a lot of clothing. They have to put the seams between faces somewhere, and it's not always where you want them lol. A lot of times people will just say "screw it" and have a pattern not match perfectly. Or you can sometimes line it up, with a lot of time spent in Photoshop.

You also eventually kind of start working with each template's strengths and weaknesses. So maybe that dress with a seam right down the middle front is good with solids or a small print, but doesn't look good with a big print. Or that dress where the front and back are perfectly aligned horizontally is terrific for that horizontal stripe texture you've been wanting to use. 

tl:dr it's a pain but just keep experimenting until you like the results or at least can live with them lol.

[Looking for stores with non-alpha hair]

Looks like EscalateD is still on Marketplace, though they closed their inworld shop a few years ago. 

https://marketplace.secondlife.com/stores/135414

 

[Did LL just change the theme for SL21B?]

55 minutes ago, Jaylinbridges said:

I would hate to be a designer trying to figure out what to design for this vague and all encompassing theme.  

Given the logo, my brain is going off in the direction of the Greek classical elements, and I've got plenty of ideas for those--fingers crossed I get in!