Roguerie

Thanks Marianne, I'll check on that and work things out on my own, outside of the forum. I appreciate the help but posting here in general was a mistake for me.

Yeah, I guess I am confused and I suppose that is funny to some of you. I wore my Slink Redux and the BOM skin seems to show as it should with and without Advanced Lighting Model. My graphic settings are working decent, not having an issue there but I'll consider that next time. I attempted the same process again with the Legacy BOM; that wasn't successful when advanced lighting model was checked but without, it worked. I am not going to attempt to explain further because doing so hasn't been productive at all on my end. According the responses above, I'm either severely confused, not doing right or suffer memory loss. I'll figure it out.

I am using the latest firestorm viewer designed for BOM Version 6.3.2. I am using a the BOM Body provided by the mesh body creator (for example: Slink Redux or Legacy). I repeat I am not wearing the Mesh body, I am not wearing the alphas. I removed them, I was able to see the BOM skin on the BOM Body just fine until I turned ALM on. Do you understand what I mean, now ? It just feels that you are assuming I'm not doing it right. When I turn ALM on, my body is not invisible. It shows a default skin, not the BOM Skin (I purchased /redelivered from ItGirls, among several) I am currently wearing on the BOM body without the alphas. I'm curious to know if I'll ever able to use materials , perhaps the skin creator can provide several system skin with various degrees of shine/gloss on it.. ? Great but it will still not appear with advanced lighting model turned on. or is that some

I specified in my post that I tried/worn 3 different skins, from 3 different creators who are not new to the skin design industry, each BOM skin worn didn't appear on the BOM body & head worn. I am not referring to the default body skins that a lot of mesh bodies naturally provide in the hud. Try not to make it seem like I am not making things up, this isn't helping. I'm glad it's showing on your end while using ALM, perhaps you have the default body skins on? I don't know. I know for a fact that a lot of people use ALM, I can't see all the beautiful features when I use BOM. If you don't care for ALM, say that. I'll understand lol but personally I use it all the time, I hang out with a few that have it on all the time because they don't like to look at flat textures. BOM is amazing but it also has a mojor pull-back for materials. I use materials in almost everything on second life. I didn't say that BOM wasn't working. I stated that I would need to no longer use materials for things such as photography with shine/shadow effect because my BOM Body doesn't appear when ALM is checked.

I have seen new or updated skins with exquisite quality without Advanced Lighting Model turned on but my issue is that you would still other things such as clothing or a hairstyle that is best seen with ALM on, now you'd have to deny yourself that option because paired with your new BOM skin, it's mismatched hell. One requires ALM off, the other is best seen with ALM on: I really do not look forward to that. I am one of those who like to have things look in order, not mismatched or two-tones whether ALM is being used or not. I'm uncertain it will be implemented and whose responsibility it is (Linden Lab or Creator). I see a rush of excitement toward newly released skins and makeups but each time, the lovely item is blank slate or back to default when I check ALM. I really love using my ALM, I wonder how many share my concern or am I making too much of this ?

This is about Bakes on Mesh (BOM) and Advanced Lighting Model. Perhaps this discussion has been brought up before, the search didn't come up for me. Is anyone not bothered by the fact that we can't quite use BOM with Advanced Lighting Model? I'm talking about the fact that I can't use shadows, light effects; I can't increase gloss/shine on the body and the magnificent new BOM skin disappears to show the default body skin. Let's say I'm using Slink HG, the body's default skin work fine but as soon as I attempt to use a skin I purchased from another creator, my skin only shows the default if I switch ALM on for Head and Body. Considering the effort skin creators and their customers have put into using textures that only appear on Advanced Lighting Model for a multitude of things such as: high quality photos, looking at a detailed scenery when visiting a beautiful sim, the fine texture of a dress. Those things we can't quite use if ALM is turned off at all times.. are we giving that up? I'm actually surprised to not see anyone mention this or I haven't searched enough. Is that something that Linden Lab needs to add or is that a feature that needs to be implemented by the skin creator in order to see it on ALM?

Kinda besides the One-on-One conversations with that one friend, I find the voice feature to be annoying specially when used in groups. If there should be any type of disagreement or difference in opinions, people talk over you, interrupt constantly and then it becomes a screaming match (at which point I will leave, I have enough headaches dealing with people offline) as opposed to typing which allows me to clearly express what I meant to "say". so.. yes, I do voice use voice but it's rare and mostly among friends which aren't a lot. This!! If you're sick.. for the love of all that is Holy, turn off your audio. Nobody, I mean nobody needs to hear the constant phlegm.. the coughing, the choking, chewing nachos. Come on! That was my last straw.

Indeed, they have the best ad machine. Although in my opinion Blueberry holds the Forth because unlike some other creators, she hasn't ditched the other popular mesh bodies just to support Legacy. I actually really like seeing diverse mesh bodies being supported (Maitreya isn't gold for everyone , particularly me), I can only imagine the effort that goes to accommodating each one but I'm grateful for that, for creators who go that extra mile. As for BOM, I am going to have to wait for Firestorm to test that out, I simply like the option of no longer having to fight and choose between appliers. Even then, I am really still very fond of Slink and might be my default for awhile and that's where BOM will be most beneficial for me/ Legacy second.

I greatly appreciate your input to clarify why I ran into to the skin gloss/shine issue. Clearly something was missing there .. I can’t say where because it happened with several skins. This is something that Legacy perhaps needs to address in a notice to all creators.. I’ve experimented material editor and I’ve seen Stray dog’s tutorial so I know what you’re referring to but the confusion is everywhere it seems and it has not been communicated properly somewhere. I don’t get the concept that any time constructive criticism is applied, suddenly we “love to hate” lol, I .. bought this body. I spent decent money on this body. I would love to be able to enjoy my purchase but yes I feel limited. I even made a post on Flickr.. pouring out the excitement I felt when I finally found a skin that fit me for legacy, including proper clothing only to feel absolutely silly because I realized that I couldn’t do this or that.. couldn’t apply this or that due to some error. Who’s responsible for the problem ? I’m not sure. Livehelp was more concerned to dismiss my concerns instead of helping, some creators just don’t reply at all except one and I am not a rude customer. Products designed for the body don’t apply too well.. I can’t use my tats and shine at the same time until it’s fixed. It’s an important aspect, it’s not omega compatible.. So bye bye to those appliers and I’m done asking creators to update (I’ve had some harsh responses, making me feel like I’m a beggar or I’m nagging for suggesting to update or create for legacy). Dismissing important aspects that are lacking for a new very expensive mesh body isn’t “hating”, this constant fawning over Legacy isn’t helping creators nor legacy improve where it’s needed. I like the body too... enough to bleed 5k. it has some issues tho. Damn. Can we be real about this?

You are right on the money, it smelled a lot like BS. Don't get me wrong, I love shiny stuff so I buy.. but a lot of creators/bloggers, particularly on flickr are hellbent on selling the body as if it's this God-sent thing and it's not. I find it offensive that they've dropped some very good mesh bodies like Slink /Belleza for Legacy. It does have a great shape (for my liking) but cankles.. ugh. It is what it is, I am a masochist so I deserve every bit of this pain. If anything.. the silver lining is, it has given me a brand new appreciation for my Slink. They're also one of the first to quickly prepare for BOM. I don't even know what Legacy plans to do about BOM considering how rigid they are with doing things "their own way" aka.. hell.

Oh man.. it'll be the day Legacy gives out anything free. Anything.

Will there be an update tho.. ? lol that body hasn't updated in forever. I just think only BOM could literally be the only thing to force the creator to do anything at all. Only to avoid losing to other mesh bodies who have been updating and keeping up with SL. I have given up on Maitreya, not just because I feel absolutely generic and boring wearing it (this is personal, not an attack on its other users) but because it's so limiting in options compared to other mesh bodies now with BOM, even more so. I feel really happy I've moved on a while ago but I'm curious.

So.. it's possible that BOM may force the creator of Maitreya Mesh Body to come out of the cave.. deep in the belly of the Earth to finally update this thing ? I don't know why I find this funny.

I read all the warnings about the Legacy TMP body, I also read the few.. rare good reviews. I love shiny things so there.. I took a chance. I don't regret it but I was.. umm pissed. I love all aspects of Second life, particularly fashion and photography. It was a big fail for me to realize that the body gloss/shine only applies to the default legacy skins. Their CSR did her/his best to convince me that it was the skin creator's job to provide some sort of shine to the body.. that other popular mesh bodies do the same (which is untrue). The only way I can see a creator providing shine that you can increase or decrease at will is via an applier aka taking away the option of applying anything else like tats, body freckles, scars, body hair (if I'm wrong, correct me). So you basically have to choose.. Skin gloss vs Tat, Skin shine vs Freckles.. I was annoyed and I do own other bodies who have made it their priority to provide shine to the ANY skin you decide to wear so you're not forced to walk around looking two-tone because you have to wear a Legacy skin. Perhaps if more of you do make a complaint, they may address this but I'm not going to hold my breath. Meh.. it is what is is. Also, Eva Artemesia (Creator of This Is Wrong)provides some very nice shine that work as tattoo appliers. Those might work out for some of you.

Yup.. deleted my skybox, ground cabin so often it’s not funny. I sit there, screaming “ noooo” at my screen.