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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    21 minutes ago, Raspberry Crystal said:

    I think it would help if the governance team made it clear if they are not composed of USA citizens with a mono-cultural outlook. If they are then I think we need to listen to those from other cultures who feel that their avatar choices are under threat. If someone has an avatar which is intended to be an adult, appears as an adult to others who share that culture, but not to western eyes then this policy is affecting people who are sticking to the rules, but are afraid their actions will be misinterpreted.
    I was really concerned to read through reddit threads where asian women have been frightened to log on to SL because their avatar reflects their real-life height and shape.
    I also think it would also help if the governance team demonstrated awareness in distinguishing between trans / non-binary avatars and child avatars.
    There are communities of non rule breaking second life residents who are being badly affected by these policies and it doesn't do to ignore that.
    Even if their fears are unjustified I think some extra consideration needs to be given.

    All of this.

     

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    6 minutes ago, Alwin Alcott said:

    if all try to see it as a restoration of the Teen Grid it might be easier  ... it was taken down with the rules they should stay on G regions .. now the rule gets "only" a little tighter ; play a kid, stay there (on G/M ).....

    A child's avatar and a child avatar are very different things.

    The teen grid was for actual teens - that is, avatars operated by actual minors.

    Child avatars represent minors but are almost exclusively operated by adults well over the age of 18.

     

     

    As to who this all affects

    All Child avatars have new hoops to jump though in order to keep playing, they want to follow the rules.

    Adult avatars who are sometimes read as a child but aren't, get caught out and reported for breaking the new rules which don't apply to them (typically non conforming women, short people, femboys, Anime, etc etc).

    It is unlikely to apply to any avatars operated by actual children.

     

    There are no parallels with the teen grid. None of SL's child avatars would be allowed to go there.

     

     

     

     

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    1 minute ago, Kathlen Onyx said:

    I beg your pardon? I haven't ATTACKED her face at all. I said it looked like a child (and it does) and I'd report her if I saw her in an A rated region.

    Give me a break Coffee. I know you are the adult content champion here but I'm not the only one with eyes. She even said her face was a babyface. How does that register as adult in any way, shape or form?

    Anime avatar faces are not child like, they aren't really anything like as they all have the same face more or less.

    She is representing an anime cartoon character, they come in all ages.

    Age is determined by other characteristics, body, hair color, attitude, personality, and job.

    Anime cartoons are not just for kids and the subject matter varies very broadly, in the west we typically get stories about magical girl, fighty boys, high school drama and cute, because that's easy to sell and merchandise.

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    5 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

    And this is an awful and really condescending word.

    It's not intended that way and that intent does matter, it's just shorthand for someone outside a specific special interest community or sub culture.

    You're not an anime fan .. therefore .. probably shouldn't be used outside the group, but her we are.

     

    3 minutes ago, Kathlen Onyx said:

    Well I know you haven't been on the forums that long but personal attacks are not allowed here. That's a personal attack.

    ... and you've been incessantly attacking her avatars face.

     

    None of this is necessary, but it does highlight the flack that anime avatars and non-standard and non-conforming avatars get in general. This is why anime avatars stick to their spaces and why furries do the same .. because plenty of regular humans are jerks who seem drawn to picking on anyone who's different.

     

    3 minutes ago, Robberinthemuseum said:

    People who have a problem with modesty patches have more going on than we all should be exposed to in sl. That's my opinion 🤷‍♂️. It isn't a stupid opinion. 

    It's stupid.

    No one has a problem with the modesty patches .. the question we have is - WHAT COUNTS AS ONE.

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    10 minutes ago, Arwyn Quandry said:

    Hate to open up a potential can of worms, but I've gotta ask... What's defined as an "adult activity"? Because there's been people doing definitely sexualized spanking RP with child avatars for years while hiding behind the fact that people spank their RL kids to claim it's not sexual.

    They haven't told us what constitutes a valid modesty layer, there is no way you're getting any official word on spanking huds.

    good luck!

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    3 minutes ago, Vivienne Schell said:

    The 2007 scandal was the beginning of the end of growth. Over the following year almost all significant companies withdrew their sims and offices and investments from SL. It also finished the hype, after that the media turned from support to criticism and finally to ignorance. Linden Lab cannot afford another incident of the same kind, and the laissez faire of the past few years endangers the entire platform. They must act now, and they did and will. Nothing would destroy the platform so easily than another pedo affair in the media.

    Nothing we do inside the bubble will affect how people outside perceive us.

    We can't even inform all of our own users about ToS changes that might affect them, no one outside is going to care or notice beyond wondering why this mess is still around.

    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    3 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

    What's different about THIS thread is, I don't hear a lot of "this will be the end of Second Life". I find that interesting.

    The 2007 AP outrage lead to the clamp down and exile of adult activities and creation of Zindra.

    We're in the same cycle, lets see if this ends with just new rules for child avatars. Or are there more shoes to drop.

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    1 minute ago, Madi Melodious said:

    This is what makes me so angry.  They are punishing us for something we didn't do, and they dont' care.  We have been in SL for a years together.  In one stroke they wipe out years worth of content across several accounts.   She said its just not worth it any more.  The thing that angers me the most, they simply don't' care.   We may have small avatars but we do build communities and we do build relations with people.     I think I'm done.

    Almost every G rated activity, venue and product only happens here because there is a child avatar either behind the brand or in the family of. No one else gives a 💩 because it's not personally important to them. If we lose the child avatar community we lose all hope of this ever being anything other than humping avatars .. and liars who deny humping avatars.

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    4 minutes ago, Sparkle Bunny said:

    Apparently nobody trusts the body creators to do this..

    From the discussions Ive had today .. creators don't have a clue.

    Do they err on the side of caution and make something that trashes vast swathes of their customers inventory, or the other way and risk exposing them to bans for insufficient modesty coverage. They have the exact same guidance we all do.

    None.

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    Just now, Zalificent Corvinus said:

    There, does that answer your questions?

    Sadly not .. while it seems like it would be compliant and I expect it to be, we can't actually know without someone inside LL commenting. This should not be some mystery, other platforms manage to be specific.

    we're not asking to peek into the subjective inner workings of governance, but what the actual criteria for a modesty covering is and who has to wear it.

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    1 minute ago, Nika Talaj said:

    and I assume LL will be working with creators to be more specific about what sort of undies are required. 

    They are not.

    Why would they be. When have they ever done that. The situation right now is - Creators have no frikin clue and are left to make something up, hope it's ok, sorry if you get banned, don't @ me.

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    1 minute ago, Ingrid Ingersoll said:

    Obviously its a big turn off if someone joins sl expressly for the purpose of naked kid avatars, and there's no naked kid avatars. Will it solve the problem completely? Probably not. But you have to start somewhere.

    This obsession is concerning, are the naked kid avatars in the thread with us now?

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    Just now, Arielle Popstar said:

    And my point is that I can be ar'ed for appearing under 18 when it wasn't my intention to be. Many of those creators you listed above I won't use because their products would give my avatar an even greater risk of appearing underage.

    This is why we can't ever get a definition of what counts as a child.

    It's entirely subjective and beholden to personal and cultural bias.

    Perceptions of age are also drift with age and time spent around younger adults. Half the old farts in this thread would mistake a 25yo for a 19, and an 18 for 14.

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