KanryDrago
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29 minutes ago, FairreLilette said:
Okay, my original idea was this would be good for the groups we are in.
So why would it track you if you are not in the group?
So if I dont want to be tracked dont join any group ever is what you are saying?
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5 hours ago, ChinRey said:
Oh, you bring back fond memories. Unfortunately Little Blue is long gone but as Claireschen said, there are lots of other sandboxes in SL.
hmmm should have checked by going there, it still comes up in search
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26 minutes ago, Kyrah Abattoir said:
Secondlife is a game kiddo, you just have a very narrow point of view of what qualifies as a game, as usual.
pffft kiddo? Well that right there disqualifies you from having an opinion, not that all your previous comments hadn't
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1 minute ago, halebore Aeon said:
Yep, it's totally my fault for telling them what I think it is, but at the same time giving them the opportunity to form their own opinion on what they think it is. Wanna know something, people have a mind of their own, and can think for themselves. So basically saying that I am bringing them to SL under false pretenses is absolutely false. I am not bringing them here, I am not forcing them to get on. They chose to log on, and if they chose to log on than what they think is up to them. I really can't bring anyone anywhere, without them first wanting to come to where i want to bring them.
Fine continue to harm sl with your assertions, you obviously don't care. You tell people its a game they expect a game. There is no game here, merely games within the world. I however care about SL and will continue to tell you that you are wrong because you are
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Just now, halebore Aeon said:
Again, as I said before. It shouldn't matter what someone calls it, you have what you feel it's best to be called. I have what i feel it's best to be called. Let's leave it at that. Please stop saying your way is right, while mine is wrong. Jeez, I look at it as a Sandbox Game, end of story. You can look at it as a Virtual World, that is fine. Again please stop invalidating how others think.
Which part of its mis selling it to others that then tell others its crap are you missing? You can call it what you like in your own head when you mislead others and bring them here under false pretences it hurts sl and therefore hurts my experience. Your claim it has no effect is therefore spurious and rejected your views are as valid as a 9$ bill
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2 minutes ago, Sandra8675 said:
I'm looking to find out if there is a place to rez temp boxes or small houses anywhere on sl...
I have some characters I sometimes would like to rez a temp 'decorated' box or house for a short amount of time... Short amount of time = 30 minutes... Is this even possible in sl? I"m asking because my bf did rez a huge boat in a location for less then 30 minutes free. I was wondering if there was a place I can so this for houses or boxes.
Little blue sandbox search for it
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10 minutes ago, French Couturier said:
This is just a hypothetical question. Could virtual worlds play a role in the future to help prevent real world carbon output? Of course it would first be necessary to develop faster and more energy efficient computers and servers. If this is achieved, I think virtual worlds could help prevent people from unecessary traveling and shopping/consumption in the real world that create much more carbon output than a virtual experience. It may not be real, but perhaps can provide the same fulfillment of boredom that people are seeking to fulfill when they shop or travel in the real world. The key I think is to create aesthetically pleasing virtual worlds with good graphics/lighting. Sansar looks pretty promising so far, but I think it still has some improvements to be made first.
No, We already have sufficient tech to do video conferencing yet people still travel to meetings
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1 minute ago, halebore Aeon said:
But at the same time, there are tonnes of games that are in early access that lack any sort of that. Yet we still call it a game. I don't see how it is wrong for others to label it as they want, i don't know why you need to sit there and correct people. You don't see me correcting you, saying you're statement is invalid.
I just told you exactly why....they tell people its a game, people come expecting a game, people leave and post about how crap SL is because they came expecting its something its not. Which part of that are you struggling with?
For the vast majority of people SL has no game like qualities at all, they come to a virtual world and mainly socialise and make friends. The number of people that come and stay because they see it as a game is vanishingly small. You promote SL for what it is and then people dont come expecting something different
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1 hour ago, halebore Aeon said:
To be quite frank, its pretty much a Sandbox game. Kinda like Minecraft, or the plethora of other games of that same nature on Steam. I don't get why people have a problem with others it's not wrong for them to say that, just like it's not wrong for you to say it's not a game. And you do realize, that most games are virtual worlds of some sorts. And MMOs are literally Online Virtual worlds. That and you can do the exact same thing in SL, like in other games. The user created content, is just basically mods. You are literally adding something new to the game. That and we are technically called players. We play Second Life. That is not to say that you are wrong for how you think. But please don't sit there and correct others on how they think. It drives me up the wall. Someone says something like SL is a game. Other party says, it's not you are wrong. You are insert whatever label you feel like it, you need to be educated. The other person, goes and gives very good arguments as to why they think it's that. And you still without missing a beat, tell them they are wrong and that how they think is rude and hurts the other player base. Like they aren't saying it to offend people, that is how they look at SL. And before you go well there are real people behind these avatars. Same goes for many online games, there are real people behind those avatars. Who make friends, create bonds, find love. I literally heard of a wedding in GTA Online.
Labelling it a game hurts sl for the simple reason people see game, they come they find none of what they expect such as quests, item drops, levelling up etc and then they quit and bad mouth SL. It leads to people joining SL with malformed expectations
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18 minutes ago, Selene Gregoire said:
*coughs*
In September 2002, Earth & Beyond was released. Having been in development since 1997, this was the second 3D sci-fi space-ship based MMORPG. Earth and Beyond only lasted two years before being shut down by developer Westwood Studios' owners, Electronic Arts.
*coughs*
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_%26_Beyond
ETA: While no, it wasn't successful it does kind of make the point.
If it wasnt successful then it doesnt make the point that chin was trying to make which is that many mmorpgs struggle for years then become sucessful. It just isnt true
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28 minutes ago, Penny Patton said:
I don't like intrusive social media features, either. The way i imagine these features being implemented if you weren't interested in them then, much like the web profile feed, you could just ignore it and your SL experience would be more or less the same. Although you would likely see more people at events, and more activity in groups, so you'd still benefit from the features in that regard even if you never use them yourself.
I think a part of the problem is that when people see the words "social media" they think "Facebook" and they just immediately assume the worst. You can see that mindset in action through some of the other responses in this thread.
No its not just ignore them, I dont want anything about my movements on there full stop. I do my best not to be tracked in rl. I don't have a phone thats turned on most of the time, I use cash for most payments, I don't have social media, I wear a hat to keep my face off camera's, I use tor and vpn's to browse. I no longer drive but take public transport. No I am not going to accept being tracking in SL and just ignore it. That is not good enough, dont track me in the first place end of story because if you do then I will be stopping coming to sl
Why the hell is the default stance of those that think social media is a good idea and everyone should be tracked always "Well if you don't like it just ignore it" Tough you don't get to make choices for me
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On 7/25/2019 at 11:15 PM, Penny Patton said:
To be fair, Second Life's "social profiles" attempt fizzled out before it even started. All they did was move our already existing profiles to a web format, gave us a post feed (which they almost immediately nerfed by removing one of its more interesting features) and introduced "interest tags" which they then proceeded to do absolutely nothing with. Then they just abandoned it all. And all of this took place over a couple of months. LL is like a cat with ADD in a room filled with laser pointers.
The profile feed did let you link it up with Twitter, which was neat, but it was one-way, which kind of defeated the purpose. And that's the real problem with LL's attempts at "social media". They know the buzzword, but have no idea what it means or how to apply it to SL.
For instance: Interest Tags were a great idea, that LL did absolutely nothing with. Interest tags could have improved search, events and the marketplace. Imagine if you could apply a limited number of interest tags to marketplace listings, event listings, groups and land. Like, 3-5 tags and no more. These tags would be used in search. If one of your search terms was one of that listing's tags it would get boosted in your search. And since you'd be limited to the number of tags you could apply, it completely bypasses the "word salad" problem that makes finding anything in SL so frustrating.
Remember the "Recommendations" tab in web profiles? Probably not, it was worthless. LL used it to generate a lost of strangers who happened to share one or more of your interest tags, the idea being that people would reach out to each other and become best friends forever based on nothing more than sharing one or two interest tags in their profile. When that (of course) did not work, LL thought they could force it to work by emailing that list to everyone a couple of times a month. All that accomplished was a spike in "hi" messages from strangers which most people in SL tend to ignore.
Imagine if instead of recommending you stranger's profiles, the recommendations tab would suggest places, groups, events, and marketplace listings to you, all based on your own interests. Suddenly that recommendations tab sounds a lot more useful, doesn't it? Something most SL residents would actually use!
Remember how I said LL nerfed the profile feed by removing a feature? You know how you can tag your current location to your feed posts? Originally they had it set up so if you were at a location in SL you could open up a feed window that would display all of the public feed posts made from that location. Effectively giving every location in SL a "shout wall". This feature was a great idea, so of course LL removed it almost immediately. Now imagine if, instead of being LL and removing the feature, they did the smart thing and EXPANDED that feature, so that you could also tag groups and events. Search for an event and if the event is currently active you would see the most recent feed posts made by people at that event. Group profiles could have their own feed page where you could read group member's posts tagged to that group, and all of this could be blended together. One post could be tagged to the land you were at, the event that was currently taking place, and your currently active group.
Now imagine if LL created a user calendar that could be synched up to all of this. You'd be able to have events, sales, group activities, new product releases, all relevant to you and all available in a calendar where you could set up reminders, schedule group notifications, etc. You could even see the upcoming birthdays and rez days of any of your friends who make that info public. Groups and Land could also have their own calendars, visible to group members and people visiting a location which made it's calendar public. So if you wanted to see what a given group had going on over the next couple of months, open up the group calendar and take a look. Find an interesting location in SL and want to see when it's more lively? Open the land calendar and take a look at what events and activities are scheduled to take place there.
THAT is how you use social media features to make SL more social.
You forgot one thing, this has to be totally by opt in only. There is a reason why many people avoid social media like the plague. Happy for you to have it if you want to but if you opt me in and I have to jump through hoops to avoid all of this then no thanks
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10 hours ago, ChinRey said:
I suppose that was a question for Inara only but I'll give you my answer anyway.
There is no specific ime limit and some of the most successful MMORPGs struggled for much longer than Sansar has done before they became hits. Sansar can afford to spend a few more years to reach its target.
The question, however, is what is the target? Most of the initial goals have already been abandoned for various reasons and there doesn't seem to be any new ones.
Care to name one of these most successful MMORPGS that struggled at first? I came to SL from MMPORGS and the experience was always the same A good start followed by a rapidly declining player base. The one exception to that being world of warcraft which grew its player base for several years before going into decline. However world of warcraft was never struggling
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Home sweet home with my own small village of friends and family
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1 hour ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:
Well, the whole VR chat room thing -- whether it's as a sort of social hub, or for business and education -- has seemed to me a not-very-good idea from the time they first announced what we now call Sansar. High Fidelity, frankly, seemed like an even stupider idea. To begin with, I just don't think the technology is anywhere near ready for this; headsets and interfaces are going to have to become a lot better, easier to use, and so on, before they really take off for a mass market. Secondly (and I regret that this is the case), the whole idea of using an "avatar" as a representation of one's self in a VR (or AR) context has, I think, only a niche appeal. Most people don't want to be represented by a cartoon, however expressive and realistic it may eventually become: they want to be represented by a nicer looking version of their RL selves. That's true to a surprising degree even within Second Life. That's why I continue to think that a blend of VR and AR is actually the future of this technology.
And, honestly, the "proof of concept" for this whole idea is SL itself. Sadly, I don't think SL is ever going to get a lot bigger than it is now, and it's more likely to continue to die a slow death by atrophy in the long run. We tried education, art, museums, R&D, RL commercial uses, and business meets here, and they have had, at best, a limited appeal. I honestly thought Sansara was dead in the water when they suggested it, and was sincerely surprised that it was the best idea that they could come up with.
However, Inara, who knows more about Linden Lab, SL, and the VR "big picture" than anyone I know, suggests that it's too early to know that Sansar is a failure, and I'm inclined to believe her, despite my own misgivings and those of pretty much everyone else here, simply because she really does know so much. She's not actually predicting that it will be a success, of course -- just that it hasn't yet reached its final form, and that by the time it does, perhaps the world will be ready for it? It increasingly does seem that LL itself is not ready to abandon it yet.
It would, of course, have been really nice had LL put those resources instead into SL 2.0, or even just improving what we've already got. But I think that we all know, at some level, that even really substantive improvements are never going to boost the user base a great deal beyond what it now is, or what it was at its peak. In that sense, maybe, LL has taken a sensible approach: continue to develop and improve SL so that it retains its existing users, while putting everything else into the next project.
I say this without ever having actually tried Sansar. I suppose I should, one day. While it's still around.
I have tried Sansar
I am heavily into VR
There is a desire for a vr social platform as evidenced by VR chat
The simple fact is that Sansar cant even manage to get to 1% of VR chats concurrency , this is largely the fault of the Lab who never seemed and still don't seem to have any idea what audience they are aiming for, or what vr users want.
Sansar is already dead in the eyes of VR users. Companies don't want to use it to host their VR projects, why would pancake mode users want it when for them sl is a far better experience. The only reason Sansar is still alive is because someone is to stubborn to drop their pet project.
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9 minutes ago, Amina Sopwith said:
In the words of a rather influential American: we hold these truths to be self evident. If you don't hold a few basic truths about humanity to be self evident, I can't help you.There are influential americans?
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Just now, Amina Sopwith said:
Which is exactly the same as "might makes right". Because, if Scylla steals your car, it is apparently a "stupid fiction" to claim that you still own it.
Principles still exist intact as principles even if they are violated in the extreme. "Taken away" in this context does not mean "cease to exist as a principle", it means "not upheld in this instance".
You really can't think of any examples in human history where human rights have been grossly violated and the victims had no means of defence?
sighs how many times do I need to explain this
PRINCIPLES ARE WORTHLESS HOT AIR
the whole of my point, I really dont care what you think your human rights are. They cease when they meet reality
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3 minutes ago, Amina Sopwith said:
Yes, that is my point. The right is not negated, in the sense that it exists as a principle as much as it did before. Nobody has claimed that rights cannot be violated in extreme.
Sighs see you said it there
The right exists in principle
well you can eat principles, principles dont protect you from bullets knives, baseball bats or small wombats called gerald" A principle is merely a nice to have and until you accept its merely an aspiration and not an absolute right you think you have I will continue to shout at you
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1 minute ago, Amina Sopwith said:
In other words, that might makes right, because if you can't enforce your ownership of the car by force, then your ownership does not exist. That is what you are saying. You are saying it very explicitly and defending it in every post. I don't understand why you're so averse to whittling it down to a mere three words. It's much punchier.
But on a slight tangent...if it's all meaningless, and it's arrogant to impose human rights on people, and it's just words, and it means nothing if it's not enforced...
...does that mean it's actually OK for me to make mankini jokes?You are also missing the point still ownership of property is only a right if you have means of enforcing it. That doesnt equate to me saying ethically might makes right. The whole argument I am having here can be boiled down to "There are ethics which are concepts, there are things you can enforce. The only thing that matters in day to day life is what you can enforce the concepts are merely an ephemeral wish list. You cannot claim the ethics are what we have. You can only claim the enforceable is what we have"
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Just now, Amina Sopwith said:
In other words, that might makes right, because if you can't enforce your ownership of the car by force, then your ownership does not exist. That is what you are saying. You are saying it very explicitly and defending it in every post. I don't understand why you're so averse to whittling it down to a mere three words. It's much punchier.
But on a slight tangent...if it's all meaningless, and it's arrogant to impose human rights on people, and it's just words, and it means nothing if it's not enforced...
...does that mean it's actually OK for me to make mankini jokes?Mankini's surely are their own joke?
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2 minutes ago, Kiera Clutterbuck said:
Have you not seen the improvement in the lives of gays and women in some countries due to viewing them as humans who should have the same rights as all other humans? People of color too.
and where there have been improvements it has had nothing to do with the un it has had to do with the people in that country voting in politicians that would change the status and its applicable to that country only. Go to iran with your male wife and tell them its your universal human right
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2 minutes ago, Amina Sopwith said:
And yet you said that if Scylla steals your car, it would be a "stupid fiction" to claim that you own it. Sounds pretty "might makes right" to me.
I'm just going to leave the idea of human rights being dismissed as "arrogance" to stand alone. I can't say anything to make it sound worse than it does by itself.
I said that me owning the car is a stupid fiction if I cant enforce it, whether thats by me doing something or a government body doing something. If I have something and you can walk away with it with no consequence then your concept of ownership is meaningless.
This is the point I am trying to make and people seem to fail to grasp. Concepts are all well and good but if they arent enforced they are meaningless and worthless
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1 minute ago, Amina Sopwith said:
And yet you said that if Scylla steals your car, it would be a "stupid fiction" to claim that you own it. Sounds pretty "might makes right" to me.
I'm just going to leave the idea of human rights being dismissed as "arrogance" to stand alone. I can't say anything to make it sound worse than it does by itself.
The arrogance is believing your ethical code supersedes others
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Just now, Kiera Clutterbuck said:
It's international.
It is toothless and cant enforce anything, frankly it would be no loss to shut the whole thing down as all it actually does is cost people like you and me money sending useless people to have useless talks
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I almost never join groups of places, I do however join groups where I find them useful to me. Why should I have to choose between utility and privacy. Simply ensure that tracking is opt in whereever it occurs and those of us that dont want to be tracked are happy. Those that want to be tracked will be happy. I suspect its because you know the feature will become useless when most people don't opt in