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7 hours ago, LittleMe Jewell said:

This back and forth between two people, on a tangent, is exactly why we don't need a political forum.  We have enough of that for LL to deal with and a political forum would just result in more of it.

You'll get no argument from me mate. The more I thought about it you all are probably right. What works in one community doesn't always work in another. Realistically@Bree Giffenhad a valid point about it bleeding out. I can see that happening on these forums and really they are toxic enough at times with out any additional help. So ya looking at it from that angle I had to change my vote. lol😎

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15 minutes ago, Bree Giffen said:

I wouldn't want a political forum here. The hard feelings and grudges it would generate would eventually spill over to the rest of the forums. People who don't take part in it would become the victims.

You actually made a very good and valid point. Some people do have issues letting things go. Well said mate.👍😎

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I noticed mention of some groups in world regarding connecting in terms of social aspects and that would be very correct. The thing to remember is a lot of the groups you see out there are not regulated or ran by actual professionals. I know I vetted several of them over the years. My point being one unregulated section of the forum would make perfect sense. Be it for political topics or otherwise.

In the Star Wars Galaxies community (SWGEmu) you will actually find a locked off section of the forums called The Sarlacc Pit that you have actually look for and sign up for it in order for it to even be visible. This is the gloves off no holds barred section of the forums. The rules are very relaxed to almost non-existent. You have to really cross a serious line in order for someone to step in and break it up. Like threatening somebodies RL or something heavy like that. And if it hits that point you basically out right asked for it.

For people against a section like this I would say this on it. I've been part of that community since day one so we're talking as far back as 2003. I only just opted in that section about a year or so back for some popcorn fun as someone put it. lol So if it's not for you then just don't sign up for it.

So just like everything isn't regulated in world it only makes sense to have at least one unregulated section on the forums. I mean I seriously doubt LL will do it anyway just because somebody will always have something to cry about. They probably don't want to deal with that nonsense. I can't say I blame them in all honesty. lol I'm just simply pointing out the fact that having one wouldn't hurt anything other then those weak peoples feelings who like to push that report button a lot. I'm just saying. lol😎

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1 hour ago, Sam1 Bellisserian said:

Yep, it's all fun and games till someone starts trolling you in-world saying nasty things to you for what you put on the forum. Can you imagine if people were allowed to go all high karate on the topic. Just say NO.

Never had that happen before. If I did I'd just mute them and go back to my movies. lol That actually happened to you or something? If it did then you must have really gotten under their skin and I need to know your secrete. lol😁

11 minutes ago, Akane Nacht said:

How about the "popcorn subforum". Those who don't want to participate can sit back and watch the fun, then rate the thread on a scale of 1-10 for entertainment value once it's finally locked. 😇

I like where your heads at. lol👍

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24 minutes ago, Sam1 Bellisserian said:

GASP! A report button is literally on every forum out there and you had no clue you could report posts? Come on now....

I know, right? I'm 719 posts in. I should be ashamed. lol I just never had a reason to click up there before. I forgot it was even there. lol There are only two options which is report and share. I literally do neither of those things. lol😎

 

On 8/19/2021 at 7:13 PM, Janet Voxel said:

The genie is out of the bottle. Political threads are going to keep popping up in general.. Locking threads is only going to lead to more saltiness, micro aggressions and little passive aggressive jabs. Wouldn’t it just be better to have them contained in one place that you can choose not to view if you don’t want to? Even better why not make it something you can opt into? That way, you won’t even see the sub forum unless you really wanted to.

On the original topic. Sorry I got sidetracked on the new information I learned. lol I actually think what Janet proposed is a very good idea only for the simple fact these topics pop up anyway. Every time I turn around I see one. If it's something you opt. in to then your not going to see it anyway so it really shouldn't be no big deal. If it's added I definitely think the report button should be disabled in that section knowing what I know now otherwise sooner or later everybody is going to be in trouble. lol Especially me. Lmao!!!!👍😁😂🤣😜😎👍

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Just now, Janet Voxel said:

You’re welcome. There’s really not much you can do but laugh at it.

Oh I did. Still am. lol I don't take when people do that stuff like that seriously. Just means I made a fan. lol I need more fans now. lol👍😁🤣😎

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21 minutes ago, Janet Voxel said:

You didn’t know that? I thought it was pretty well known…I think it makes them feel powerful that they can do it, be the secret arbiter, but anyone can do it.

Ya I literally did not know that. lol Reporting somebody has just never been a thought in my head. I'm not trying to get people in trouble. That explains a lot though. Ya a lot of thing just became a whole lot clearer now. lol I am so totally fighting back the urge for some jokes right now. lol That's all I am really going to publicly say on that. So I think I am just going to end it off on one sincerely big THANK YOU!!!!👍😁😉😎

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6 hours ago, Janet Voxel said:

They're only moderated when someone reports it.

This. This right here explains so much. lol Somebody plays crybaby and the mods step in. lol What a bloody joke. lol That's hilarious. lol I used to wonder about the way the forums are ran and how some people get in trouble while others go unchecked. Now it makes perfect sense. Total clarification now. Thanks mate.👍😎

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1 hour ago, Silent Mistwalker said:

It always comes down to one thing. Blame the victim. That never changes. It doesn't do a damn bit of good to come forward if the blame is put on the victim and not the perpetrator regardless of any pittance of help that might be available. Yes, I've been there and bs like I just read is the reason why we don't come forward. How long are we supposed to live in hell because others refuse to accept the fact that it was not our fault? So far, it's been 48 years for me. The system and the people that run the system are broken and always have been in the US.

First at no point in anything I said was blame the victim even remotely in any of that. Let me correct you there now. Where in the hell did you even get that at? Secondly being a victim of a crime doesn't exempt you of the responsibility of doing something about it. I am so sick of people playing the blame the victim card as their excuse to sit with their thumb up their asses while other people get victimized. That is the real BS.😡

Now I'm real sorry about what happened to you. I truly am. However if you sat back and did nothing and other women were harmed then that's on you. That is your fault. Not the abuse you suffered, but the abuse anyone after you did. You could have stopped it. You didn't. Paint it any color you want to in order to sleep at night, but at the end of the day that is on your head for not stopping it when you had the chance.😡

Are you seriously going to tell me you sat on your behind for 48 years and did nothing and expect me to honestly feel bad that you let other people suffer? I'm sorry I don't. I'm sorry for what you went threw, but it stops there.😡

Not trying to be disrespectful or hurt your feelings or anything, but I am going to keep it real with you. Right is right and wrong is wrong and no amount of BS is going to change that simple fact. I'm sorry it's just not.👍

1 hour ago, Rowan Amore said:

There is still way too many people who think wrongly about sexual assault.  

@Velk Kerangdo you not remember this particular asshat?   And you wonder why women don't come forth sooner?  This was a supposedly educated man.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/todd-akin-abortion-legitimate-rape_n_1807381

First off that guy is stupid anyway. Not everything out his mouth makes sense. Secondly I'm Pro-Life and I do not believe in abortions. I believe it's murder. I certainly wouldn't have the debate of abortions on what that idiot has to say. lol I mean you can read the article and when he says the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down he's already telling you that he don't know jack. lol I can't even see how your trying to apply that to how many people view sexual assault. I mean I can't even take that dude seriously. lol Just so I am clear though when I discuss the topic of abuse I am talking about ALL abuse. Just not sexual. All.😎

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8 hours ago, Madelaine McMasters said:

There are many good reasons for abused people to wait decades before telling their stories...
https://www.npr.org/2017/11/15/564443807/why-some-survivors-of-sexual-harassment-and-assault-wait-to-tell-their-stories

It's not just women who suffer quietly for years...
https://www.steveboyd.com/blog/why-victims-of-sexual-abuse-stay-silent/

Sometimes you just have to open a door...
https://apnews.com/article/health-religion-coronavirus-pandemic-sexual-abuse-by-clergy-2bbc11dd595e8b966155eec377060e0c

Or start a movement...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Me_Too_movement

Rather than ask why people wait so long to tell their stories, perhaps we should ask why it takes so long to make the world safe for them to do so.

First thank you for the articles and stuff. I appreciate that. I get what your saying. I do. That having been said on your last statement I'll just say this much on it. If my Mother had applied that logic and type of mentality then I'd more then likely be dead today. She didn't sit around waiting for the world to be a safe place. She womaned up and was ready for war. So I'm here today because Mom wasn't about that BS. Mom was ruthless. lol That woman did not play. lol👍

Now I know sometimes my comments may come across hard, but contrary to popular belief it is because of my Mother that I have a huge respect for women and I know for a fact women are inherently strong creatures. More so then men on a lot of different things. So knowing the strength that women posses and for a fact with out a shadow of a doubt they can be a force to be reckoned with and knowing all of this and knowing we had resources available to them even as far back as forty years ago I would still ask the same questions.👍

I admit though. I'm not a psychologist. That wasn't my field and I have no expertise other then my personal experiences and professional ones in dealing with rope victims who I've seen first hand go threw some horrid crap to stop it from happening to other people. That's the extent of my experiences. Just for me it's hard to wrap my mind around waiting that long. So if people are waiting around for the world to be a quote, unquote safe place then they are going to be waiting forever. That's just not realistic to me.🤦‍♂️

I do at times have some deep conversations about stuff like this with my SL wife/partner Jaden on these topics and she does try to help me see the other persons perspective I guess you could call it. Where I run in to my road blocks are I would think if something bad like this has happened to you then you should want to put a stop to it and do it at that crucial time when acting matters the most. That way no one else ever has to live threw it. So my understanding of those who don't is really still an on going processes. To me it's like knowing someone is a serial killer and you don't stop them because your all up in your feelings about it. That's just crazy to me. lol🤦‍♂️

Anyway that's sort of where I am with that topic right now and how I personally feel about it.😎

Edit: I want to add this too. If I were going to ask a version of your question it would be directed to the particular communities of these women. The question would be why did these women feel they could not come to you? Because we had resources for women in place back then. So if there is a specific reason for that then they are every bit as responsible. There is no excuse they could give to justify that to me. None.🤔😎

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That only happens to me when I am in an area with a ton of mesh trying to load in all at once. Several things can cause it such as not enough vram allocated to it, slow connection limit, or small cache size. I would see what those are set to and trying increasing them if need be. Sometimes clearing cache helps also. I could be wrong, but I think the viewers can only load so much textures at any one given time. I know in the debug menu you can set textures to full rezz, but if your in an area with a ton of mesh and bento and stuff then I wouldn't do it unless you know for a fact your rig can handled it. Being your on a laptop I probably wouldn't just so it wouldn't run any hotter then it has to. Hope this helps some and good luck mate.👍😎

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On 8/16/2021 at 10:57 AM, Madelaine McMasters said:

Here's an overview of the use of martial law around the world...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law#United_States

My extended RL family contains quite a few Second Amendment enthusiasts who proclaim the need for martial law to suppress anarchy. When I ask them why the Second Amendment is so important to them, they say they must be able to protect themselves against the government.

Oh, I do love irony.

I gotta say I absolutely love this statement. Reminds me of some conversations with some of my own family members. lol For me what I said doesn't really come from any political place. More of a place of basic survival. At the end of the day I am for what ever solution accomplishes this. I'm not hard pressed on any one solution. I just don't want people to die. It's just that simple.👍

In truth there are several options they could try before going that far. The problem is they don't. Everybody isn't on the same page. Prime example is the governor of Florida. That dude is a whole hot mess.🤦‍♂️

When this pandemic first broke out because we had little information on it I insisted on playing point man on going out for supplies if anyone in the family needed anything. That way if anyone got sick and died then I would be the one to take that bullet. I'd go out and when I got back I'd confine myself to my room for about two weeks after to make sure people were safe from me. I got a lot of arguments on this from them, but the attitude was I'd rather ya'll be alive and mad at me then dead and liking me. Better to ask forgiveness then permission. So I am totally ok with that decision. lol So at the end of the day I am for what ever keeps people alive.👍😎

5 hours ago, Luna Bliss said:

Thanks for your heartfelt response...

From the following paragraph I understand better where you're coming from. You said:

"When I generally make comments on this topic it's not because I feel blamed as a man, but rather to point out the fact not every man is a bad as we are made out to be. It's the same conversation I have when discussing race issues. Just because you have a few bad apples it doesn't make that entire group of people bad. That is the message I am trying to convey."

Let me try and paraphrase....you are saying that when you hear people mention issues of sexism or racism that you want them to know not all people are racist or sexist, and this is why you bring up examples from 'the other side' of the issues?

I don't like stereotyping or generalize either, as it creates a black and white scenario with no shades of gray.

When Pixel Sideways said something like "the game development field is a misogynistic cesspool" it does seem on one level like she's saying there's nothing but misogyny there, so I can see why you'd want to bring up examples of women in the industry who are doing fine.  However, I took her comment to mean there's a lot of misogyny there, more than in other fields. If I asked her, I bet she'd say not all men there are misogynists.  What can I say except communication is hard.

Your very welcome and thank you. To answer your question that's part of it. It's also because a not all of the times when we examine particular issues and situations it's been my experience that things may not always be what they seem. For example and I'll use my daughter for this one. I got a phone call once back when she was in school. I am told my daughter got in to a fight with a little boy. Now on emotion and how I am traditionally wired my first instinct is to educate this young man on the fine arts of how to treat the little ladies.

Well come to find out my daughter, my little girl threw the first punch. The little boy did what he was supposed to do. He tried to walk away. I can't be mad at him. He followed the rules. Her reason? She didn't like what he was saying. I'm like hmm ok. So that was your excuse. So here I am shaking my head and having to give her the speech of just because you can beat someone up doesn't give you the right to.

Now I've done the whole try to approach her using logic, sensitivity and all that jazz in how as a parent I should try to relate to my girls differently then my boys. On some things my daughters logic is just not our Earth logic. lol So by the third or fourth time I get a call about her fighting boys and actually starting these fights I decided right or wrong this nonsense is about to cease and desist right on the spot.

She comes in already expecting a lecture. I can tell right off the bat. I let her know. I'm going to keep it short and simple this time so there is no more room for miscommunication. I look at her and tell her your trying to be hard. I get it. I let her know today I am making you a promise. The very next phone call I get about you starting fights with boy, girls, and squirrels I'm going to give you a shot at the title. You think you have the right to beat up on people. Well earn it then. Because your going to have to go threw me from now on. Her reaction was priceless. lol Now some time out parents out here may not be a fan of that approach, but I can tell you now that phone never rang again. Not even once. lol👍😁

Now had I not taken the time to see the big picture then I would have been focused on the wrong person and a problem where a problem did not even exist. Because I took that time to take a step back I was able to focus on the real problem at hand. Sometimes you just need to get your own house in order first before you can even worry about someone else's house and how it impacts you.👍

On the comment Pixel Sideways made I took it as a generalized comment of her opinion of that industry. Nothing more and nothing less because there was no real explanation behind that original comment. It was an opinion of which she is entitled to. Mine is obviously different. I really didn't read to far in to it anymore then I would if someone tried to sell me on the concept of white privilege and/or that all white people are bad. I validated and agreed with her in that I am sure such elements exists, but not in the large quantities that generalized statement implies. I do feel like we do have some people out here badly in need of some serious behavioral correction though.👍

 

 

5 hours ago, Luna Bliss said:

I think they use the terms, misapplying them at times, because they see it as a way to have power now and win fights. What better way to discredit your opponent than to call them a racist and somehow make it stick, right? I'm not sure many of them even care about the people they're pretending to defend, but instead are only trying to win a fight and grabbing on to the means to do so in this day and age.

I don't know what to say about it except there should be a special place in hell for those who are misusing societal power in this way, as they are often making it worse for marginalized groups attempting to empower themselves.

It's such a shame what's happening with these false accusers. Thankfully the awareness has finally broken through in recent years that there has been a sh*tload of misogyny, racism, and homophobia that women, gays, and people of color have been dealing with for years -- it was more hidden in the past but these groups have been bonding together in an attempt to empower themselves and are fighting back with success. Society has become more aware and great strides have been made for people who don't fit the 'norm' or are in the minority.  Playing the 'race card' or any other 'card' is only going to make it worse for the marginalized groups attempting to gain their rightful place of respect in society.

I agree with what your saying. I however believe society has always been aware of the problems. Some issues I believe have been blown way entirely out of proportion and others are long over due being addressed while some are not addressed at all because they fear the back lash from the public because it may not be politically correct.

The think the methods in some of these solutions are inexcusable. Problems get either ignored or they reach the boiling point and chaos results. Very seldom do I see peaceful resolutions. I'm happy when I do though. For example I made some people mad a while back because I am not an open supporter of BLM. When an organization to me takes it up on themselves to deface and destroy public property, businesses and endanger lives in their own community that is where my support gets lost.

However that having been said when they protest things like in that video I posted then they got my support on that minus the throwing the bottles at the police officers part because that to me is not peaceful. Why they were there I support them in that. The way they behaved I do not support that. I don't care how angry people are that does not give them the right to hurt other people. It's counter productive to what we as a people are trying to stop.

So to me it's imperative we handle these situations the right way otherwise we're just going in circles and history is just repeating itself. I'm to old for all of that. lol🤦‍♂️

4 hours ago, Luna Bliss said:

I haven't really investigated the evidence here so don't have an opinion. I do tend to believe that if many women come forth with allegations that it's more likely true -- not proof, but more likely.

Sometimes an individual becomes a symbol for something in a very strong way (as with Cosby via abuse of women), and when you even mention the other side in their defense you will get labeled as siding with the abuser as it appears to many you don't understand the perspective of the abused if you only speak about the perspective of the supposed abusers side.

All I an say is it's wise to be very careful in these cases -- to become aware of when someone has become a symbol for many in this way.  For example, say I happened into a forum where they were all up in arms about the atrocities committed by Hitler in the Holocaust -- it would not be wise to mention that Hitler appeared to have a sensitive side as he was a painter. lol  Context is everything -- 'reading the room' before you speak is advised, or you will be pummeled no matter how valid your points.

I totally love your analogy. lol Your completely right on reading the room. lol I admit I am guilty of jumping in head first at times. And reading the room is very very important. Case in point I once walked in to a room full of angry women all mad at their husbands and men about something. I have no idea what, but I could feel the tension. The room stopped and all angry eyes on me. I just smiled and was like, "Ladies.", and turned right back around and ran out. Not walked, but ran out. lol Sometimes reading that room is a valid key to the success of self preservation. I'm just saying. lol👍😁

On the Bill Cosby thing I can understand that situation from both sides of the coin in all honesty. I won't go in to details on that because that's a book and a half alone (lol), but I will say from Bills side I know what it is like to be locked up just because someone claimed you did something. The only reason I got released was because I wasn't even in the state when they made their allegations. It is far to easy for a woman to claim a man did something and get his freedom taken away on word of mouth only with no proof. That is where I have a problem with the justice system of America.

On victims side of the house I am sympathetic to victims of abuse in general because I've been down that road. In the case of those ladies not so much, because it is way harder for a man to come out to the world then it is for women and I'm just sorry waiting twenty years or however long to do something about it is BS to me. So saying what they said is true I would ask them point blank. You let other people be abused because you didn't have the guts to put a stop to it? How do you live with yourselves? If it is true they contributed to the abuse by not stopping it in the first place when they had the chance to actually prove it and deserve no sympathy from me. None at all what so ever.

And I am sorry I know to some people that may make me sound like an insensitive jerk, but if I can stop someone if even just one person from going threw what I did then I am going to do it. Consequences be damned.

So like you I don't really have an opinion yet because I just don't see enough facts out there to support the claims other then word of mouth accusations.

I do love your analogy though. I may have to borrow and use that one on some of my mates the next time they try to sucker me in to a political conversation. lol I'll give you credit though. No worries. lol It is permanently stuck in my head now. lol Thank you so very much for that one. lol👍😁😂🤣😎

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4 hours ago, Mollymews said:

Velk said that when sufficient numbers of people go beyond the norms that it could lead to the breakdown of the society then a way to try to prevent this is to impose martial law. The implication being that martial law will impose the norms on the society

in its weakest form this would be authoritarianism. Unbridled authoritarianism is totalitarianism

there is some authoritarianism in any society for sure. Thou-shalt-not laws for example. Murder, robbery, etc

when people are just mouthing off about their rights (true rights or presumed rights) then while it can be a little bit annoying sometimes, is a little bit of a reach to impose martial law to get them mouthy people to be quiet

Well my comments on martial law are more about public safety and preservation of life. With having our freedoms and civil rights there comes a certain responsibility. When people exercise their rights in a way that is destructive and dangerous that puts others at risk of harm and/or even death then they forfeit those rights. They don't deserve to have those rights. I personally could care less about their civil rights at that point because they have proven not to care about the rights of others or any value for life. I have no sympathy or tolerance for those type of people. As Arnold Schwarzenegger said, "Screw their rights.".👍😎

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6 hours ago, Luna Bliss said:

Is an interesting story. And I know of incidents where the man was abused by the woman. In fact, this happened to a guy close to me.

I think think one of the worst kinds of abuse levied against men is this attitude that they have to be strong -- that's a lot of responsibility, and lets face it, there are difficult experiences in life that cause us to feel vulnerable and weak, be it with a man or a woman. In addition to having to feel overly-responsible, by not admitting to pain it prevents men from accepting that pain and moving on, and so they stay stuck in it. Dealing with the pain of life is a process, and when men are unable to deal with the grief it causes all kinds of havoc, with a tendency to act out that pain in destructive ways.

On this first part. I think part of the issue with how men deal with things is one we are generally hardwired a different way then the ladies so we process things a bit differently per say. The real issue is though is that not enough men have role models in order to teach them how to properly handle and deal with the abuse they've went threw. There is also that stigmata that men should be emotionless creatures and just suck it up and a lot of men try to live up to that. More often then not this is what causes that destructive behavior because it becomes so hardwired and ingrained in to their personalities. As for myself I was lucky enough to be taught at a young age how to handle it and I am pretty sure more often then not those experiences are why I have such an over protective personality for those who can't defend themselves.

6 hours ago, Luna Bliss said:

However, if a woman is expressing problems with being abused by a man it's best not to bring up the fact that it happens to men too right off the bat, but instead to respond to her abuse first. You do this a lot -- bring up 'the other side' when anybody mentions an injustice. I'm not sure why you do it -- are you in a way trying to defend yourself because you feel blamed as a man? 

On this part I first want to say I wasn't aware I was doing that. I am sorry to anybody if it came out that way. It certainly didn't seem that way to me and it wasn't meant to be that way. I can't recall a single time someone has told me of their own personal experience where I would have done this. When I generally make comments on this topic it's not because I feel blamed as a man, but rather to point out the fact not every man is a bad as we are made out to be. It's the same conversation I have when discussing race issues. Just because you have a few bad apples it doesn't make that entire group of people bad. That is the message I am trying to convey.

Just like in that experience I shared the first initial impression was that dude was a woman bully. And like I pointed out I personally think there is more to that story causing him to behave the way he behaved. So to me when it comes to certain situations I think looking at it calmly from all angles is crucially important because depending on what the situation is peoples lives can seriously be messed over. So it's imperative to have all the facts. More often then not people are unjustly accused because anger and emotion blind people.

The Bill Cosby case is a prime example of that. I mean if Mr. Cosby who presently maintains his innocence actually did those things then who wouldn't be mad? I think I can safely say we all would be. This is a man who made a career on the embodiment family values. Now I reference this not because I want to debate about Bill, but to point out this was a trial both politically and emotionally motivated, but when I try to look up evidence on the case I only can find allegations.

People who have spoken out to openly support him have been accused of being insensitive to victims of sexual abuse. Well what happened to the sensitivity of victims who have been falsely imprisoned for crimes they didn't commit? I mean the whole purpose of a justice system is to find out the facts. So as an average person from the outside looking in what I am seeing is people are all up in their feelings and not a single one that I've personally seen so far examining facts.

So on a situation like that I would have no opinion until I knew for sure because I believe in innocence until proven guilty. Which is why I believe in having all the information.

So in how it applies to this conversation is I've had bad experiences with women. I'm not going to say all women are bad. That is simply untrue. More often then not though when I respond to similar topics it's because what I read seems to me that it comes from a place of all men are bad and that also is simply untrue.

We do have bad people in this world though and I can totally see how those few people who are responsible for the negative experiences others have had would shape and distort the views of the rest. I just want people to realize that not everybody is a bad and evil POS. On the man side of the house I can honestly say that some of us would more then likely go to jail if we ever got our hands on some of these clowns. REAL TALK. lol👍

 

6 hours ago, Luna Bliss said:

Whatever the reason, I believe it's why you have all these women on the forum who are offended by you and call you a misogynist -- you seldom acknowledge their pain or reality but instead insist on bringing up the fact it happens to men too. You have a valid point in that it does happen to men -- but we have to face certain facts about abuse in society -- statistics demonstrate that wayyy more women are murdered by their male partners as opposed to the reverse. I don't remember the difference off the top of my head from a couple of years ago, but it was something like 10 times the amount.

There are ways you could interject your facts and stories (about men being abused by women) that might not cause such defensiveness in others. The key is to acknowledge their reality with empathy before adding your facts and stories.

I don't believe you are a prejudiced person, and I'm simply sharing some ideas that might help you not be perceived as such.

 

I admit that I probably articulate myself in a hard way and not so tactful manner at times. It's both a gift and a curse. lol I think part of the issue is my statements are being interpreted incorrectly as I am not acknowledging their pain and reality when the conversation is about the over all issue we happen to be discussing at the time. Now if I say something or share a view and someone takes it personal because of a past experience then I can't be responsible for that because for one I am not aware. If I were that might be a different situation in how I handle my communication with them.

Case in my point my earlier conversation in this thread. The word misogynist was used clearly out of anger and spitefulness. Had no relation to the conversation at hand. More often then not depending on who I am talking to I can already tell anything I say will be wrong. Because I am a man. It's not a my reality, my pain, or even a my truth thing. It's just how it is. People like to use these terms and sayings because it's trendy. I get it. Once upon a time chauvinist was the big word that got thrown around a lot.

I've had conversations on here were I tried to be sweet as pie and respectfully explain my point of view at first and I've had the word mansplaining thrown at me out of the blue with a side order of hostility to boot. So I read stuff like this and think to myself it don't matter what I say to those people because I am already discriminated against because I am a man. Anything I say will be considered and viewed as mansplaining and I can not win for loosing. I lost the minute I said hi. lol I generally look at those people and think that's a YOU problem. That's not a ME problem.

I personally don't have an issue being corrected by women. I get corrected by women in my life on a daily basis from the moment I wake up to the moment I go to sleep. lol I mean ya I am joking a bit, but it has a ring of truth to it so it's not to far off base. lol My Mother for example can utter a single command and stop me dead in my tracks. That's power and it's power she has because she has my complete respect. My brother should be thanking her. lol🤣

You do raise some valid issues I want to address though. First I want to put out there for the record is anyone that took my views and interpreted them for what ever reason as me pooping all over your experiences let me be clear that is so not the case. So to those people I'll apologize and say I am genuinely sorry if that's how your taking it. It is not how I am meaning it. I just want to get that out of the way first for foremost.

On the issues of abuse I believe we need harsher laws because people in general are being murdered at the hands of abusers which is why I am a strong advocate for harsher penalties for these type of crimes. Because I am old school I do hold men to a higher standard on this because we are supposed to be the protectors of our women and children in our communities. So as a man I feel we have a higher accountability for our behavior. A man who terrorizes his own family or anyone for that matter dishonors everything that we as men should stand for.

On your advice I do want to say thank you because I think it is really good advice. Not just for me, but for anybody because more often then not when I make a comment I have no more of an idea on a persons background then they have on mine. So I personally am going to try and be a little more mindful of that in the future.

On your last comment I first want to say thank you for saying that. I would hope that I am not coming off that way. Some times people want to perceive what they want to, but it is never my intent to come off that way. While some conversations may go bad due to personality and obvious differences between each other I think a lot of miscommunication happens sometimes because these conversations are in type. If they were voice conversations on Discord or in world I honestly feel like a lot of them would turn out a lot better then they do because you can get more of a sense on where the person is coming from just by the tone of their voice.

Overall again I just want to say thank you so very much. You've given me some things to think about and consider when trying to express my thoughts in to type out there like that and I do appreciate that. So thank you so very much for that.👍😎

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18 hours ago, Ceka Cianci said:

I actually had a couple of klanny members show me their membership cards before..

I didn't even know they had a membership card until the first time I had a run in with one..

I'm not gonna go into the story of what all happened because I've told it in here a couple times before already..

But I realized, To get a klanny to show you their membership card, after they tell you they are in the Klan, say something like, You're not in the klan..

In my experiences, they'll go right for the wallet and pull it out..

One thing that baffles me though.. I always seem to run into Klanny's in the grocery store.. Then they show me their card, then my husband always  walking them out of the store by the neck.. After he makes them Apologize first..

Then me saying something like, Honey please don't kill That man!! please.

That's the super duper short version..

hehehe

That weakass fat man in that first video..OMG if that was our door, we'd probably have to clean the crap off the sidewalk as soon as my man came to the door.. Because that guy wouldn't know whether to Shiat or go blind..

 I think I remember that story before. Because I think I mentioned thinking your husband sounds like someone I would get a long with. lol I found that first video hilarious because it reminded me of the first year I got married. One of my first marital issues if we can even call it that, that got solved like a boss. lol😁

We had this neighbor who every time I seen him he always seemed like a nice dude. Back then I had just got my first job working on cars and my wife was telling me that when I was gone to work he'd be over there saying stuff to her complaining and getting nasty and stuff. Now what she was describing to me didn't sound right and I am like you sure it was him? She's said yes and told me it always seems to happen when I am at work.🤦‍♂️

So I didn't say nothing. The next day I woke up and called in a sick day. Wife was looking at me like your not going to work? Surprised because I don't normally call in a sick day. I love my money. lol I was like nah I'm just going to take a pause for the cause. She asks me if I needed anything and I told I just need to rest and I am going to stay right here in the back. Just go up front and do what you normally do. Act like I am not even here. And the way I said it I could tell by her facial expression she knew something was off because I stressed the act like I ain't even here part. lol👍😉

So I'm in the back and bust open the funny papers because that's the most important part of the papers and go in to chill mode. lol I'd say it was about maybe a few hours later there is this banging on the door. None stop banging. I mean the type of banging like there is a serial killer outside the house and the person outside is begging to be let in the of banging except it was that angry banging. lol🤦‍♂️

Terminator mode activated. lol With no pause or skips in my stride I immediately get up and walk at a fast pace towards the door. I see my wife standing up the hall and I say nothing. I just point the way for her to move. I musta had the crazy eyes because she immediately relocated. lol I grab the door handle and sling it open with a nice military drill sergeant type of yell informing him you have lost your forking mind. As this while still in motion. Remember no pause or skips in my stride.👍

Dude about falls over trying to get from me. He gains his balance and actually runs back to his yard as if he is being chased in a horror movie. I'm still walking. Same pace now. No pause or skips in my stride. lol👍

I stop dead on the property line. He's half way already threw his yard about to be in the other neighbors yard. lol He see's I stopped and he stops trying to catch his breath. I inform him if he ever sets foot in my yard again or comes at my wife in the manner of which he did that I will stop at the property line next time.👍

I also made him aware that next time I'd beat his behind with my door he loved to bang on so much and that in the future when dealing with my wife he can send his wife over and the women can hash out any issues between our house holds. And that we WILL be staying out of it.👍

I turned back around and walked right back inside. Told my wife I'm feeling much better now. I think I'll be going back to work tomorrow. lol Let me know if ya have any other issues. Mission accomplished. lol👍😁

That dude never once set foot in the yard again after that and while she seemed to think he was one of those type of men who like to bully women I told her I'm not gonna say he's not, but I'm not entirely sure he is either. The reason I gave for that was because I've heard how his own wife talks to him. It was pretty rough. I want to say I even heard her fussing at him when he went back in his house as I was walking off after that altercation.🤦‍♂️

I don't know if it's a case of dude being what they call a beta male now days and his family jewels are just in his wife's purse or if it's an abusive relationship type of situation or what. I will say I believe his wife sent him over which is why I told my wife that was the reason I let him know to send her over from now on. I think his wife put him in that situation and he almost copped a beating for it so looking at it from that angle I kind of feel bad for dude. lol🤦‍♂️

If out of either of them if I were going to suspect one of being racist it'd definitely be her. Before that he was always real nice, but she'd always give these nasty looks at us if we spoke. I wouldn't be surprised to find out dude snapped on her one day. I couldn't live with someone who talked to me the way she talked to him. In terms of power she definitely had it in that relationship. lol All I can really say is after all these years I hope they grew as people and got their act together.👍😎

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Ima actually post some videos of some of the ignorant stuff going on in the world during Covid. I watched these last night when I found that channel and was seeing what type of content they produced. Now I laughed at this stuff, but when you sit down and actually think about it that's some pretty sad nonsense going on. lol🤦‍♂️😎

Now the first one is for my BLM peoples. BLM nailed it on this one. I'll give credit where credit is due. This is the stuff you protest. lol👍

And this one is for my Wal-Mart peoples. lol May have to actually pull this one up on Youtube.👍

This one I decided to add just as an example of how power is used to promote racism.👍

 

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27 minutes ago, Mollymews said:

this begins as an argument for a homogenous society. Then it veers into an argument for a totalitarian society

when members of society go beyond the homogenous norms/rules of the society then we impose the norm/rules on them. This is totalitarianism

 

 

I get where your going with this. I feel ya. That having been said people can't keep going unchecked. Especially with this Covid crisis going on right now. Sooner or later it's going to be boots to assess time. Which is why it is imperative people can learn to come together of their own accord peacefully so it never comes to that.👍😎

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6 hours ago, Luna Bliss said:

Great video explaining what power is.

Thank you. I found it interesting because it gave me a different perspective on how people view this topic especially in terms of their use of the word oppression.

6 hours ago, Luna Bliss said:

Groups that have been denigrated in society band together to cope with the effects of the powerful taking advantage of them, in order to gain strength. It helps to have the support of likeminded people in your corner who understand what you're going through, both for support and for offering solutions. Having gone through similar experiences they're more likely to come up with valid solutions.

By saying "no more groups" you are advocating that they give up what can empower them to make their lives better.

I am advocating that people practice what they preach. In true equality there are no need for groups if everyone works together. There is not a single group in existence who's agenda does not impede and infringe up in the rights of others. This is why they are all at war and constantly protesting each other and doing all sorts of vile crap because they feed in to the media hype the wants to keep an age old fire still burning. And people feed in to the nonsense. It's why we still have people crying about slavery. I had to get my oldest grandson correct on that nonsense and let him now out right. Ain't nobody enslaving you, but you.

People will watch shows like Star Trek and with out missing a beat I almost always hear someone say I wish we could live in a world like that where everyone worked together. I respond the same every single time. We can when we actually start working together. lol From a religious stand point last I checked the Bible I don't recall mention of there being a segregated Heaven or Hell. lol So people just need to wake up to reality and get it together.

6 hours ago, Luna Bliss said:

If you look up the definition of "oppression" it does not always define the most severe kinds of oppression you're imagining the word to mean. 

Oppression -- "the state of being subject to unjust treatment or control."

There is much oppression in society -- all kinds of power abuses exist. If you are prevented from choosing a healthy course of action this is oppressive.

Take, for example, the 'groping-Cuomo' of late, the mayor that kept hitting on his subordinates. These women can resist, say no, but often these Cuomo types will then fire them, or not give a positive recommendation for further employment. And so their life will be affected in a negative way. Perhaps they will be unable to find another job due to this kind of abuse which is all too prevalent in the work environment.

I really don't get your comment to Pixel Sideways on the other thread where you claimed women involved in game development don't encounter misogyny, as the misogyny has been well documented. 

If I were to take today's politically correct version of the word oppression and apply it then every living thing on this planet has been a oppressed and every single living thing is an oppressor. We are all oppressors and we are all oppressed using that logic. Which validates my point that we are all equally responsible for the state of the world we live in today.

I mean that definition is just crazy to me. It opens a Pandora's box for it to be applied to just about anything. I can see it now walking in the store with your kids and one of them acts up so you get them under control. There is going to always be that one clown who yells out. Stop oppressing that child! lol No. Just no. lol😂

I'm sorry that's just crazy to me. When I think of oppression I think of having my freedom and rights taken away unjustly. To me that is real oppression and we still have our freedoms and rights in this country. Perhaps to much even. That's why people are getting away with so much crazy crap. That problem will still exist as long as people refuse to work together.

In all honesty if the government ever found their guts and decided to institute martial law for a period then I'd be all for it. Because in all reality some of this craziness just needs to cease. Because if they don't then what's going to happen is the half of the country loosing their minds is going to end up in a war with the other half of it that is way past getting fed up with their BS. I personally hope it don't come to all of that, but sooner or later somethings got to give.

Now on the topic of my comment to Pixel Sideways I never said women don't encounter misogyny. I just do not agree it is the cess pool she believes it to be. Misogyny is the hatred and prejudice against women. More often then not it is a term used loosely and doesn't apply to the situation at hand.

A prime example sits right in this very thread. I was accused of it when I showed none. The young lady I got in to it with on the topic of security. I was accused of not liking it when women stand up to me, disagreeing with her, being narcissistic, egotistical, and misogynistic. Why? Because I corrected her and explained how a security evacuation would work? A field I actually worked in. That only key personnel would be left behind? I even validated and agreed with what she said letting her know that if that applied to her she would receive same pay as a man. Otherwise she would evacuate with the rest of the team. Makes sense right?

Was it good enough? No. She wanted to insist EVERYBODY is getting paid the same and EVERYBODY is just going to be on that bloody ship. lol Seriously? lol I mean I am honestly surprised I did not get accused of mansplaining (That made up word I love so much. lol) because that's always another popular word that gets tossed around. lol She was insistent she was going to womansplain some stuff to me though. lol😁

All jokes a side though my point to that being is I do not believe these labels always apply to every situation and that it is on the mega level people claim it to be. We've all ran in to our fair share of jerks in the work place. I shared one of my experiences in an earlier post. So I think to make a claim that the ENTIRE gaming industry is misogynistic to me that is a bold and offensive statement that belittles the honest men of the industry.

Which I take on a semi-personal level simply because after I retired from the security field I worked in the gaming industry for some years doing tech support for Microsoft XBox. Every lady I personally worked with was treated with the utmost respect by their male co-workers including myself. They don't tolerate that kind of crap there. So no, everybody who works in the gaming industry who is male is not a misogynist. I am not a misogynist. I do not hate women.👍

They got plenty of jerks on that corporate level though. No shortage of that. lol I should know I lit up on one in front of my boss over his manners and how he talked to people. lol That dude learned fast. Never mess with me when I am in the middle of working on a customers account. It's all about them and not you. lol That was a funny situation though. You just had to be there. I had my boss so quiet you could hear a pin drop. lol🤣😎

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I just watched this video and it reminded me of that bathroom debate thread we had on the forums a while back. On the topic of power and it's effects at 13:30 of the video dude says you people are just super people. lol Best line in the whole video. lol👍😁😂🤣😎

 

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5 minutes ago, Chie Salome said:

(whoa I can't believe I just wrote all this!)

You did good though. lol I wrote some long ones before, but I think ya'll got me beat. lol🤣😎

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4 minutes ago, Sam1 Bellisserian said:

You can't selectively coming out of hiding from ignoring people because then you aren't really ignoring them are you?

Not hiding. I only bothered to comment because I didn't want people new to the thread reading that bit of nonsense to look at the post and think the comment was directed at the wrong person.😎

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5 hours ago, Doris Johnsky said:

So. Anyone who disagrees with you is ignorant.   How narcissistic egotistical and misogynistic  of you.    

I was ignoring you, but Ima answer this and then I'm out. Ignorant is the way you behave and conduct yourself. Ignorant is using words that don't even apply to a situation, but because I'm a nice guy I'm going to show you the way to the dictionary section of the internet. You're welcome.👍😎

https://www.dictionary.com/

4 hours ago, Doris Johnsky said:

OK this bimbo is an idiot , Rat.   I've never liked people who laugh at their own stuff.Especiallyy stupid stuff

Commenting on this so new people on the thread who can read won't mistake you referring to the person who actually did hit the laugh button. I hit the sad button because the jokes in the video where pretty sad. An idiot is someone who speaks with out even knowing what they are talking about thus showing their ignorance, but because I'm such a nice guy and I don't want you to continue looking ignorant I am going to show you the way to where you can order a new set of them bifocals. lol You're welcome.👍😎

https://www.glassesusa.com/

Edited for clarification: That can actually be interpreted two ways and since you been jabbing at me all day long I took it was another one. So if that wasn't your intent and you actually meant the girl in the video then disregard my last statement. lol👍😎

And just so we're clear when I hit the laugh button and no longer comment back to you it's because I am laughing at the ignorance your displaying. That's what you do with jokes. You laugh at them. lol👍😁😎

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13 minutes ago, Rat Luv said:

@Velk Kerang I wasn't having a dig 🙂 I only know it as a male greeting. Like "Alright mate, how you doing mate?" 🙂

Maybe it is different in the military though? I didn't think Americans used the term at all though...so had no clue you were from there!

Anyway, I know as much about politics as I do about maths, so will go back to the what are you listening to thread 😎

Oh I didn't think you were. It's all good. No worries. And true some things are different in the military then out in the civilian world. I guess I'm just used to hearing it in both worlds. It could even be a community and cultural thing. I dare say it's probably just the people we've met and where we've met them and the location we're in. I don't hear it in my neighborhood a lot, but if I go closer to the coast then I'll hear people using it more there. So I'm pretty sure a lot of that comes in to play. People more in land probably won't hear it as much.😎

 

3 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

We don't really use it in the states.  At least, no states I've been in.  Dude, Bro, man...nope, never even heard too many men use it, to be honest.  

Ya, but in all fairness just because you don't personally hear it yourself in your area doesn't mean it's not used. I don't hear people speaking Spanish in my hood, but they do. lol So it is what it is. lol😎

8 minutes ago, Pixie Kobichenko said:

I only ever think of Shaun of the Dead when Velk calls someone “mate” haha.  So every time I see it, I hear Noel in my head “‘Ello maaaaaaaaate”. 🤣
it’s when Ed is off screen calling Noel, looking to score drugs during Shaun’s attempted pep talk “the anagram of team is meat….”

& for anyone unfamiliar with Shaun of the Dead (or the other 2 in the 3 flavors cornetto trilogy- now you have a weekend movie recommendation!)

 

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/a3c7aebc-1ad0-4fe1-8080-1c735490d60f

 

Ohhhh, you got jokes. lol Ok. Good one. lol I'll give it to ya. You got me. lol🤣😎

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2 minutes ago, Sam1 Bellisserian said:

Now I'm hurt...I thought I was the only one you disliked here. Seems to be a pattern huh mate?

I don't dislike anyone mate. Just because we traded some words don't mean nothing. I wish everyone the best no matter ignorant they want to act. lol👍😎