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1 hour ago, Love Zhaoying said:
Thanks, guys! I was losing my confidence there, due to Codex's harsh response.
Please stop framing my posts as malicious, hostile, 'harsh' or any other portrayal that basically begs a defensive response - and is not very conducive to friendly discussion, which this should be. Constantly inciting someone else by making accusations to their motivations or portraying them (or anyone) in the illest of light is not 'civil' discussion.
You can respond to someone else's posts without having to poke me or others in the process.
Please stop, and address the ideas that someone presents, and stop the personal attacks. Thank you.
1 hour ago, Love Zhaoying said:*Edit* Your use of "clearly" (underlined and all) comes across as caustic and sarcastic. What the heck did I do, except be sensitive? Be cool, man. You can do it!
I am not responsible for your reaction to what I post - that is your responsibility, not mine.
Unless I post a 😠 at you, assuming the best of people's intent is best.
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18 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:
Your concept of "clearly" may not match other's. I've seen you use "clearly" in other posts. Bad form, in my opinion. Like trying to shame people because you aren't clear, by insisting you are "clearly" clear.
This is so, so tedious.
Whether or not you were "clear" is irrelevant. I was providing an alternative viewpoint.
And I clarified the context in which I was using it. Clarifying or rephrasing a statement is a valid procedure in a conversation, or having to nitpick a word and agreeing on a definition so that conversation can be understood and continued. It may be tedious, but that's what happens sometimes while communicating with others.
I don't use words as 'concepts' nor do I make my own definitions for them. I use words that are defined in a world-respected dictionary so that we can all agree on their meaning and usage (context) so that we can comprehend the ideas presented.
Can we get back to discussing the topic or ideas now?
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30 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:
"Getting staff involved" - is also part of "encouraging the user to take personal responsibility".
The context I was using was "A personal decision or action is one you make on your own".
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1 hour ago, Prokofy Neva said:
If ban or block or ignore or a security orb were enough to control my experience in SL, you'd never hear from me. But you do because griefers exploit not weaknesses of tools, but people's psychology and do social engineering.
So that's how they conceive of things like making alts with versions of my name or my business name so that there is "brand confusion". That's why they join groups that seem to be for a good cause, such as a group around a temple or church or mosque, and then wear the tag and spam racist rants at people.
That's why they join groups that are open or easily joined and then spam in them to tarnish my reputation or others.
That's why they spawn prims on no-autoreturn land that affects the whole sim. My autoreturn in a shared virtual world is not enough.
That's why they manage to talk their way into situations, playing on people's reluctance to be seen as censoring or canceling.
That's why they pick up causes like "Impeace Bush" that they believe are "bullet proof".
Etc. etc. etc.
I don't know Bansar but there are entire studies like Clay Shirky's "The Group is Its Own Worst Enemy on this problem (which I have written a rebuttal to). Shirky was wildly touted by game professors long ago in 2006 and is forgotten today, interestingly.
Sure, don't take my opinions on the matter as absolute - I'm not a polarized person.
For myself I support a notion to reserve the extreme tools for extreme cases. When block and mute is more than enough to eliminate a problem (for small offenses or misunderstandings) - then staff should be left alone, or calls to ban them is an over-reaction. Most issues can be dealt with by these tools. My argument was is that many don't use those tools BEFORE going to a more extreme measure. What can happen is that people can be framed in a much darker light than should be and have been subjected to over-discipline.
I've worked in complaint departments, and the customer will ALWAYS exaggerate their encounter, or depth of their frustration - it's a normal tactic to amplify to communicate that a wrong has happened. I'm not criticizing that, it's just what happens and it takes a measure of patience and professionalism to first be able to empathize with the complainant, and then to assign an actual realistic level to the incident.
I am not disagreeing that in the case that you have presented, it is extreme and exceptionally hostile behaviour, and repeatedly - like bypassing security systems, blocks, using alts, etc - Of course that needs a bit more staff interaction.
Remember my argument first is 'give and encourage the user to take personal responsibility in managing their experience of the platform and others' - the most basic layers like block and mute, etc - then only get staff involved when it becomes behaviour that is sustained, bypasses, or goes to alts etc.
Like I said, if the large banhammer is used for every user or occasion not only is it unfair, but innocent people get mashed in the process as well.
Of course even the tools can be weaponized by nasty types if they want (group bans, sharing IP lists, etc) but that's a whole other topic.
1 hour ago, Prokofy Neva said:If ban or block or ignore or a security orb were enough to control my experience in SL, you'd never hear from me. But you do because griefers exploit not weaknesses of tools, but people's psychology and do social engineering.
Yes, some people have become experts at 'skirting the rules' and that is also a form of trolling and griefing - and that's much harder to combat because there is nothing to report - and the reporter will seem deluded or paranoid.
1 hour ago, Prokofy Neva said:I don't know Bansar but there are entire studies like Clay Shirky's "The Group is Its Own Worst Enemy on this problem (which I have written a rebuttal to). Shirky was wildly touted by game professors long ago in 2006 and is forgotten today, interestingly.
That was a typo, but it kind of fits a bit haha. I've quickly looked up the book you cited and got a quick overview.
Clay Shirky - The Group is Its Own Worst Enemy (PDF)
I'll have to read it a bit more first, but yes it seems to address things that I have noticed in just the last 5 years or so, and with the advent of Sansar, VR Chat where I noticed it the most enough to want to look up the psychology - I know it as "Early Groups Can be Toxic and Detrimental to Growth" kind of "Community Manager" type knowledge, but this is similar in thought regarding how groups can work against themselves for positive change and why.
Can't comment on this too hard yet, haven't read it but will
Edit: Also a related resource in similar fashion and relating to the challenges of creating online worlds:
The Lessons Of LucasFilm's Habitat (Stanford U.)
1 hour ago, Love Zhaoying said:What's interesting to me about this part is, depending on how one does business with Second Life, they (or Tilia) already have your RL ID!
And some of that is necessary, and is needed in some cases - if one is pulling an income out of SL - this is needed for tax purposes.
Also, many other corporations may have personal details. Yet they are all compartmentalized and so have (theoretical/ethical) limits on the use of said information.
What Provoky proposes is a UniqueUserID, which is not a new idea - but it aims to identify an individual worldwide and under ONE governing body - has far more implications and issues.
"The Right To Be Forgotten" or as how I would know it - practicing patience and forgiveness, is an important concept for us all - as we all screw up, we all lose it, we all do dumb things - and never being forgiven, never having our trespasses 'forgotten' - can cause great harm to the individual - and especially on a global basis.
Social Credit has this same aim, and is practiced widely in China. No second chances, no forgiveness. We either behave a certain way or get put out of society.
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I think this topic 'discussion' in it's entirety will speak for itself, and how it relates to the OP, and what Philip has to deal with and the challenges.
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. I keep forgetting dealing with manipulators and weirdos never works out. I'll just report instead.
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18 minutes ago, Ayashe Ninetails said:
Now you're asking the right questions.
And this is what metaverse developers will have to figure out. I don't envy them, either.
Phillip has a good handle on what it takes and what happens when civility is lost, first hand while developing HiFi .
He couldn't solve it so recommended to users that they run their own servers, manage their own ban lists so they can restrict anyone they want, and have any rules they want - HiFi would just be the backbone of a disjointed universe of feifdoms run by tyrants - which of course all of them would be empty.
Ebbe knew this as well on his own project, but he either seemed unwilling or unable to do what was necessary to bring everyone together, and eventually the same mentality rotted out that platform's core too. Everyone banned everyone else until there was no one left.
From what I see hasn't been much civility at all, just people demanding things.
A similar thing could be seen on chat rooms I and others hosted. As we moved to whatever was the most functional at the time, the same people would gather in the same groups, with the same results. Didn't matter what platform it was. Don't blame the platform, it's the people who make or break it.
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1 minute ago, Coffee Pancake said:
Right on que..
.. and hilarious.
Yes, because the response is oh so funny. Freedom is funny.
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13 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said:
That is exactly what those shouting loudly about free speech are after, the ability to exercise hate speech, trolling and abusive behavior without consequence. The longer this goes on the more their power and influence increases, the more the community circles the drain and all but the die hard leave - just like these very forums.
Part of civility and building a community is to not demonize others - and especially those who uphold human rights and freedoms.
I am so amazed about what I have seen from 2020-2022 - a meming of such an important concept by many to turn something that is the back bone of the West and the USA specifically - human rights, freedom of expression and freedom of speech be turned into
"Mah freedumbs! mah rites! Mah freedumbs!'
Or even the accusation that those who promote such IDEALS of Western Democracy seek to abuse them and victimize others.
This is uncivil. THIS is toxic. THIS spells doom for any world, virtual or not.
To mock or meme Freedom means we are headed to doom.
How can people be civil in a virtual world, or forum, when civility is GONE in real life.
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16 minutes ago, Ayashe Ninetails said:
Ehhhh. Hop over to the Oculus Experiences site and read the reviews for Horizon Venues and Horizon Worlds. The same complaints over and over and over, typically. Kids are ruining this, everyone is so immature, I can't enjoy the show, children are screaming into their mics and trolling, etc. Apparently, the experiences adults are attempting to have are being interrupted by kids acting a whole fool (during events, concerts, etc.).
Staff doesn't seem to be doing much about it, or else maybe there wouldn't be so many negative reviews repeating the same complaints. I'm not sure what regular users could do in that instance, short of maybe blocking a large majority of the platform? How would they take responsibility exactly? I'm not sure how it works over there. Can they mute everyone disrupting a concert?
All I know is it sounds like a hot mess (and makes me very glad SL doesn't have these issues).
Moderation is a necessary evil - or else you're going to struggle getting people to stay interested in your product over the long-term (seriously, who wants to listen to kids screaming into mics all night?). Change that into adults trolling other adults (which also happens in plenty of online spaces) and it's not much more pleasant.
Sounds amazing. And if screaming kids I just block them. Done. Next.
4 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:I'm always a bit leery about the "just mute, ignore, and move on" approach, for a wide number of reasons. For one thing, the damage has often already been done by the time that becomes an option. And not everyone is psychologically or emotionally equipped to deal with what might be thrown at them before they know that this is a person who should be muted.
Sorry, don't buy it.
4 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:Yes, if someone is throwing racist or sexist or homophobic crap at you, you can always mute them -- after they've thrown the racist or sexist or homophobic crap. It can be argued that no one should have to put up with that, and it shouldn't be MY responsibility, as the target, to hide from them.
But it happens, and nothing you will ever do will change that - ensuring everyone is 'civil' all the time and a 'safe space' for everyone will come at great cost to the majority's freedoms and dignities.
We've seen it demonstrated in real life the last 2 years. It will be worse in a virtual world who aims to make this their foremost goal.
4 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:And, of course, muting someone doesn't stop them: it just means I can't hear them insulting me or throwing slurs at me.
It has the same effect. You're protected through your own volition, no need to get governance.
4 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:I could use the example of the person who was spamming this forum not so long ago with racist BS aimed, particularly, at one of our regular posters. Yeah, we could just "ignore" that person . . . until the next account is created, of course. And the next. And the next. Meanwhile, the forum is slowly buried under a tide of racist sewage.
Which is why there has to be a base level of civility demanded of everyone. And that's where moderation, and some form of "discipline" comes into play. It should be lightly applied and carefully handled, but . . .
An analogy here is of course the whole gun control thing. I find that those who think that the answer to violence is to carry your own gun are most usually those who are best armed. I'm not sure that's the kind of culture I want to move in.
Well the other culture you propose is not one I want to move in. Now what?
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1 minute ago, Luna Bliss said:
I think these places have inner enclaves where people try to take control and exclusion happens, it's just that when the whole virtual world is bigger we don't see those smaller groups as easily.
Indeed. And it's best that way. They have very little influence and where they might have been big fish in a little pond, they get absorbed and irrelevant and have less effect. Best.
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40 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:
The AR is an element of community policing, and a really important one -- perhaps the most important one.
No. People taking responsibility for their own experience and reactions is the most important one, by using the tools they already have to manage their issues - and leaving platform staff out of it.
Yet many many times, I don't see people using those tools, and seem to enjoy running to authority figures to wield as weapons against others. I've watched people literally orgasm with glee when they were successful at 'getting one over' on another user for whatever reason. They could barely hold their innards in, drunk on dopamines that they were able to get someone else to fight their battles for them. A battle that's not even worth it, but manipulating others is addictive to them.
40 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:But if we're talking, again, about scaling here, there's going to need to be some sort of mechanism. LL can barely handle ARs in-world as it is. A metaverse platform with potentially hundreds of millions of residents online concurrently? It wouldn't stand a chance.
Yes, and that's a wonderful byproduct of a larger user mass. The tattle taling, the manipulation of staff, the cries of woe and alleged offense simply can't be handled personally anymore - and the people must resort to tools they already have. Like blocks and ignore. Yet to this day you will see users act helpless and victimized when the power is under their fingertip and takes 0.0001% second of their life to implement.
The best thing for any platform is to grow to many numbers so that they can't deal with every little complaint, and that is when a platform is at it's best. Go look to Bansar and other small platforms who never grew past a small number where early adopting groups become their own force, and become toxic to any new user that tries to join. Couldn't happen on VR Chat or RecRoom as they grew too fast.
40 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:A metaverse platform with potentially hundreds of millions of residents online concurrently? It wouldn't stand a chance.
Sounds absolutely amazing and a place I would like to be.
Other than the most extreme (and exceptional) circumstance does a governance even need to step in - the most 'civil' and fair way is to give people the tools to manage themselves - and leave staff alone.
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Yet that is usually not the result as observed and experienced. Maybe for YOU, but such movements are actually all about EXCLUDING others as a rule - who don't conform to their vision.
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This also seems to happen randomly, but mostly if an object in front is obscuring an object behind, and if you move fast enough (or notice) you will see the object(s) behind 'pop' or be drawn into existence again. If it's a perhaps 'slow' draw, then you see a white flash before the asset is loaded back in.
Seems like something that would happen as an optimization feature, but going a bit too hard on some system configs or graphics cards.
It is very distracting though, especially when it happens in your peripheral vision or moving about lol
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2 hours ago, Prokofy Neva said:
No, because you are an enabler of the culture. It's like the time Philip banned several dozen denizens of Something Awful, which crossed over into 4chan and inworld griefing groups like "b" etc. There are those that maintain the land or maintain the open prims where griefing items are stored so that alts can easily get them when they re-spawn. They hold the cloak. They post selfies of themselves with griefers (even certain Lindens have done this historically) yet can remain technically free of the charge of griefing because they haven't acted or haven't been caught
All this "outrage on principle" like the refusal to accept random drug tests may all sound noble, but it enables a culture where the drug users can also get up their high dudgeon and undermine the system.
The Lindens remove swastikas as a hate symbol. They do take action on anti-gay attacks. So it's reasonable to expect that they can act on a "Z," but even if they won't, I can, and find it fully justified.
It's not what I support or don't. SL is not real; it is virtual; it is a highly controlled and censored society which is also highly uneven in its management. So the discussion is about how you cope within that artificial set of rules. In RL, under the First Amendment, I wouldn't report a swastika despite aversion to it because it is "protected speech". If it appears on the tombstones of Jewish graves, then I would, because then it is not just vandalism but hate speech which in some communities and states can lead to civil or criminal action. The Buffalo shooter is not just arrested for murder, but hatred of minorities, and not just that, but white supremacist terror. That might not even have been possible (all three of those types of charges) even 10 or 15 years ago, but the media and society at large has increasingly come to accept this as necessary.
Regardless of the advertising, SL is a world where capture roleplay is tolerated and many kinds of violent and broadly offensive activity that LL will not act on, especially if in adult reasons, despite championing an event like "Billion Rising" in the "Destinations" or a blog post.
So ultimately this guy's post about gun control, which people especially on the right will pick apart, is a reasonable analogy because those with the culture of objection may not themselves be miscreants but they create the climate of impunity and don't want to take responsibility for it. The Wired journo stumping to go after Japanese state capitalist toy companies while willing to overlook Ken Lerer's bankrolling of Moot and flippant Washpo articles on the edginess of 4chan is exactly part of the problem. He doesn't want to ban 4chan because: 1st Amendment, although the platform providers could unilaterally make that decision. He wants to be able to target only the extreme right or foreigners (Russia, Japan, whatever) but not look at leftists and liberals at home who also make up that culture of enablement and impunity. And this climate is not one to be legislated. It is one that changes with social movements like #MeToo. If every company that suffered a DDoS complained to Ken Lerer that his support of a group that not only commits them, but their founder who is supposedly becoming more artistic and less of a griefer won't denounce them, then they can boycott him and his works and socially ostracize him until he grasps that if you want free speech for all, then you have to combat DDoS for all, and not accept violence/force as a method, by looking the other way when people you don't like get DDoS'd, instead of universally condemning the tactic.
I can appreciate your passion on the subject - but really it isn't supposed to be that hard. Frankly all of this is quite tedious and I'm not interested in promoting victim culture and 'helplessness' to the point that governance of any type, whether in a virtual world or real - will happily step in and crush everyone in order to guarantee a safe space for all. A safe, secure and ultimately super boring and mediocre and soul-crushing space.
Good luck. I hope everyone bans everyone else they think should get banned until there is no one left.
"We can't manage the ban lists. We can't keep up with it. If we restricted everyone that everyone would like to have restricted, we'd have no one left" - Phillip Rosedale regarding social spaces in HiFi, where users constantly whining about others to the help desk, wasting their time, spreading drama and toxicity and fingerpointing and villainization of others - until ultimately it contributed (in part) to it's social area shutdown, and ultimate failure.
Rinse and repeat on Bansar (in part), with the same attitude.
Hey lets do it in Second Life too! Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Perhaps this kind of thing can't be done anymore. It's over. Metaverse isn't going to happen, because it can't.
The Rise of Victimhood Culture It's funny how one can notice a change in society, how much of a difference it makes in one's own reality and existence, and not really knowing what to call it, then come up with a relevant term for it, then find someone wrote a pertinent book on it.
it really encapsulates what happens online and in real-world situations from home to school to workplace. In the end it just leads to the rise of the Nanny State - otherwise known as the Totalitarian State.
"We're going to force you to be polite!"
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6 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said:
Wow!
Sorry, but if someone put a sign up at my SL neighbor's house saying "Kill all XXXX", "DIE YOU XXXX" where XXXX is a group of RL people, then I would definitely feel OK in AR'ing them. If the sign happens to be a Nazi swastika (vs. the original Hindu swastika symbol), then I'd be sorely tempted also. Because the Nazi swastika represents the same thing.
Ah-ah-ah... that is not what I was proposing. I CLEARLY stated if it goes outside the TOS defined by Second Life and or even RL-laws of 'calling for violence against others', then it is already handled by the TOS or in RL, the law.
Again, you can't be championing a movement to censor one person's expression, then bolstering another - which either/or is going to offend someone, so as a society we have allowed the maximum expression possible - making it legal to express your ideas short of calling for violence against the other.
Yet online, when one group goes after another individual, and calls for them to be 'fired' from their job, or their 'career ended'.. this should be considered a 'call to violence against others' because it is an attack on their livelihood and how they feed themselves and their family and therefore is a direct and violent attack on their very lives.
Why is it an attack on their very lives? Because the clear and END intention is to separate them from their means of living and creating an income - and people shouldn't play stupid like they don't know what this literally means - they die. Last time I checked if you don't have a job, you don't have money, you're first homeless, then you die.
People play at this like it's no big deal - but it is, and in extreme cases people will act out in justified self-defence against such action - and as a country that can have serious ramifications and lead to serious conflict.
Censoring, cancelling and inevitably destroying someone else just over what they said or a word they used is going too far, but some people will only learn civility the hard way - with uncivil like action.
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11 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:
So, instead of having all the privacy I need on Mainland using my orb and parcel options, I have to pay extra somewhere else? Basically, a private region. They already have those. Which I've rented before. Weekly/Monthly. No thank you. Anything that would involve more work for LL is going to cost more than FREE on your purchased mainland plot.
Maybe not. One could argue it costs LL less to run your parcel (which one may want 100% private and free from visitors and griefers) and could be part of a Premium plus package.
And yes, more features outside the norm will cost more money, but it is a solution for those who are apparently besought and besieged by people they never want to see, and can't get the 100% privacy they need without affecting the user experience of others around them in the process.
If the counterargument is "I know it makes sense, and I would get the privacy I want and need - but I just don't want to pay extra for it" while being in a publicly accessible area - well then that's kind of revealing, don't you think?
If the argument is "I would like private land away from everyone else that might bother me, but it's too expensive", then we work for solutions to that.
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2 hours ago, ChinRey said:
Why can't everybody use my system: a for high, b for mid etc.
A few more serious notes:
- A "industry standard" system that gives the most detailed LOD model the highest number makes no sense since there is no industry standard for how many LOD levels there are.
- The problem with any automatic naming convention is that it doesn't account for the same LOD model used for several levels. Is there a way to fix this?
- Selectable naming styles would be helpful but it's not that important so whether it's a good idea or not depends on how hard it would be to implement.
This affects the auto-loading of all the meshes of course. If one changed their mind and use LOD0 for both 0 and 1 slots, then the suggested "Use LOD above" (to not reload meshes - could have been one of your suggestions :D) is very easy.
If I was to manually enter them in, I've been doing that pretty much all the time until recent, but then discovered its backwards from what I expected.
I generally try to make LOD_1 a bit more optimized then the default higher poly, remove stuff that I can get away with, and fill out all the rest, though admittedly LOD_3? (Lowest) is generally a waste of time unless you have an image on a billboard, so it's mostly pointless.
This new trend of 12000, 12000, 2, 2 on objects isn't the answer either, but if SL is working on Auto decimation might not matter
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3 hours ago, Rowan Amore said:
Because once the land is paid for, the only expense you have is your premium membership.
What would happen to those people using it as an 'open' space when you decide to turn it on? Are they instantly banned and set home?
The mainland region and how it operates now remains. It remains open as it is now for people to purchase the parcel as they are today - except they are limited like in Belissaria as to what they can do - to maintain that relative openness.
Those who would pay/move to a private instance have nothing more to do with the region (which is a server), and moved to their own 'instance'. Completely unrelated to each other.
See Kitely to see how they spin up regions and others 'on demand' other than 'always on'.
See Sansar for how an individual world is an 'instance' of it's own.
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1 hour ago, Prokofy Neva said:
I have a tweet for you. If you can reason by analogy.
To be fair, and the risk of going off topic, that would be an unfair comparison.
I can disagree with an implementation or policy, and not be a threat to anyone.
I can disagree with 0 second orbs, and yet not be a griefer, troll or threat to anyone.
I can be against the over-regulation of firearms, and not be some psycho or criminal.
Or the classic comparison in this vein "If you have nothing to hide, why do you care?" regarding surveillance, monitoring, etc. One can have nothing to hide at least for criminal or other actions, and still be against unreasonable search or surveillance of their lives.
I can be seriously upset about a sudden requirement by an employer to submit to a random drug test, or be *****ed by a needle - and yet not do any drugs.
We need to discuss ideas here only, and not the person underneath. It's also a trait of intelligence to discuss and explore ideas without actually having to agree with them, or even believe in them ourselves - as by discussion or knowledge and understanding can be expanded.
I'm also for Free Speech and Expression to be allowed for all, or NONE at all, and nothing inbetween and just short of breaking the TOS.
I don't agree that you should be able to AR or call to ban those who hold different political views to your own - even if it is Nazi, or other. Being offended or severely disagreeing with another worldview should not be considered abuse, unless they have gone outside that normal expression and purposefully have done things to grief, troll or taunt you... then that becomes an actionable abuse report.
If we are to exclude, silence, censor, limit and ultimately ban everyone who offends us - then the same governance should extend to anything political and social, and scrub SL of all of it.
Including movements or ideas that YOU may support.
After all, is Second LIfe advertised as a virtual world for everyone to come explore and build, or as some sort of political and social platform to spread ideas on their dime?
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1 hour ago, Beq Janus said:
Yeah that would do it. but LOD name matching is the only way to guarentee the correct model assocaition across files when you have complex scenes. If you do not have _LODn suffixes in the model names then it falls back to the old "best guess" model which can lead to all kinds of weirdness.
True. Changing from some mass convention for SL's sake isn't going to work. I've tried and even dedicate each project to it's own folder, but when something is backwards... becomes counter-intuitive
1 hour ago, Beq Janus said:I've made an attempt to address this in way that I hope can cater to all. I've long been of the view that too much of our "user interface" is exposing underlying details that a user should not have to deal with. as such, I plan to allow you to set your preferences for LOD naming. This preference wil apply to both filename and model naming within those files and I would hope will help.
That is what makes Firestorm so great for many of us who are creators, developers and observers/deconstructers/learners/admirers of other people's products. I understand it's hard to be a be-all for everyone - perhaps that could be solved by hiding all the 'engineering'-level features by default - like a 'developer' mode or "Advanced" menu like SL Viewer has.
I'm just one person, so may not be worth changing for me, but the options to match other engine schemes would definitely be helpful - but I'd hate to cause you to waste your time with such features - when I'm just one person and the general attitude seems to be 'just deal with it'.
Looks good though and useful for those of us who want to maintain a certain workflow. Right now many of us are of course working with more modern file formats like FBX, working in PBR, working in or trying out different game engines, already dealing with other issues trying to get things into SL (as relatively newer creators still figuring out the kinks) so anything that facilitates that is good for anyone who would be interested in such a thing.
1 hour ago, Beq Janus said:It still needs some further testing, on which subject, if anyone has a Colllada file with Unity style LOD names that they would care to share with me for testing that would be useful and ensure I am not going down the wrong path here.
Because the LOD matching happens at a level somewhat detached from the UI itself the changes are not per upload, but would be set as a preference that matched your personal workflow, I hope that is useful, the ability to change it in the fly for each upload is possibly useful but given the likelihood of significant changes in the uploader in the near future for PBR support and gltf it is probably nto worth the extra time.
Not sure how many people working in Unity, Unreal or other engines (Even Godot) are actually using *.dae Probably very few. FBX is king.
But yes going from a more intuitive (and standardized) LOD_0-4 naming system will definitely help. It's not intuitive to select #4 before #3, even if one were diligent, and if you name so that SL can automatically load it, then the filenames have to be backwards.
Appreciate you working so hard on Firestorm. It is a good example of how a viewer can be, and I am progressively unable to live without it because as a creator builder and explorer it has too many tools that are useful for me NOT to make it my go-to now
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56 minutes ago, Prokofy Neva said:
So are you staying the plan is to create a Potemkin village, a Wild West storefront of my Mainland parcel that is open to fly through and just look at, but meanwhile I myself create a second instance of that lot which I lockdown and hide from view.
No.
Sorry I don't understand the use of Potemkin Village when talking about this, and no I never said anything about the Wild West, or allowing access to your property, just that if a parcel WERE instanced, it is no longer technically in that region grid. It is as I have presented it as - an 'instanced' world, much like a Kitely region is now, or as a Sansar world already works as. I was providing a theoretical answer as to how a parcel would be represented - as an 'instance' it would no longer be represented in the physical mainland, it would revert to open and available to others. It is not a second 'instance'. Your 'instance' removes you from the region altogether.
I'm still not so sure why people who want major privacy or to not be disturbed still want to reside on public-accessible lands - which will immediately and forever expose them to all sorts of variety types of users.. I'm just offering a real solution to that problem.
And also solves an issue I have with free flying and exploring.
You don't have to agree, and that is okay
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10 hours ago, animats said:
"It's really, really hard to build a world". But SL is close to having it right.
The key to the "civility" problem is keeping jerks local. As I've said before, jerks in SL have an annoyance radius of about 100 meters (the "shout" distance), and Second Life is about the size of Los Angeles. Right now, there's probably someone, somewhere in SL, being a jerk. And very few users are aware they even exist. That's a really good feature.
Sometimes the best thing to deal with alleged trolls and griefers, and on the other side 'elitist' or 'early access community members' is to dilute their effect with having a platform grow big and fast enough - to make their influence moot.
4 hours ago, cunomar said:The world over moral and legal obligation to civility is enforced by isolation (prison) . Avatars are ghosts so walls can't hold them , but block/derender ultimately results in the online isolation .
The worst offenders the nihilists generally have their own little cult of followers so remain toxic and unaffected while they seek out their next unwitting victim .
RL for better or for worse we have reputations that follow or haunt us , a virtual serial killer could wander with impunity forever just changing his/her appearance and name .
Anonymity brings with it great freedom - but there is always a flip side of every coin .
Yet anonymity has probably been one of the most freeing concepts universally that has allowed the safe exchange of ideas. I've seen what people can and will do when given the opportunity to silence others for a view that they disagree with.
It underscores more than ever the need for anonymity (at least between users) - as many people truly 'play for keeps' and will come after you and your RL interests 100%.
3 hours ago, Prokofy Neva said:As I already noted, it starts with requiring real ID to register to post. Real ID doesn't mean you can't have a pseudonym on top of it. That isn't a complete cure-all, but it's a start. When social media platforms bear liability for posts they will find ways to get the job done, believe me. They're businesses, remember? There also has to be moral leadership, which few people find compelling as a plan. It's great that thousands of school children are now staging walk-outs; they also need to stop exchanging memes that humiliate others. Everybody says you can't ban 4chan. But of course its owners can moderate it. And anyone can cease to use it and read it and encourage others to stop as it is indeed connected.
This is what the whole NFT and crypto-coin movement is about. It is a trojan horse promising riches for one group, and opportunity to get rich for artists - but you will have a unique ID world wide. This may apply to your participation in "Metaverse" style platform like Decentraland or other - and be the ultimate control over you. There will be no escape, no restart, no reset for you.
2 hours ago, Sam1 Bellisserian said:If RL ID is required how long do you think it would take these "griefers" to figure out your RL information, including your address where they can come and harrass (or worse) you IN PERSON.
It happens all the time. If people disagree with another on the internet, it won't end there.. they will seek other ways to continue to 'punish' that person by whatever means they can.
1 hour ago, Coffee Pancake said:Right .. So, are LL going to hire a team of legally qualified moderators to inspect every single post before publishing it, or are they just going to close the forum.
Or the more recent tactic now employed by many companies - to hide away all information, discussion, news and announcements behind a Discord wall - far from the internet access and search - and under close watch of governance as to who is allowed in, to view what, and who can participate. This creates a chilling effect for many - and the result is only a handful, a literal handful are vocal in any way, and only because they unceasingly bow to and pander to the status quo.
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"It's really, really hard to build a world" - Philip on Civility
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And.. look at them dogpile... they can't stop.