Group Access on Sim only working to 70 m High.

[Adiva Cummings]

Our private Island Sim is set to Group Access Only, But we have now found that you can still come onto the island if TP'ed after 71m high and you dont have to be in the group. Why is this possible? How can we set the limit higher?

[Ceera Murakami]

Sounds like you're using parcel-level access limits instead of Estate level. Parcel-level limits do nothing at 51M or more above the terrain surface.

But if you turn public access OFF in the estate controls, no one can TP into your sim at any altitude unless thay are a member of one of the groups on your estate's access list, or are individually named as having access in the estate's access lists.

[Adiva Cummings]

Hiya

Thank you for getting back to me, but if i do that the sim is locked off to new people not in the group

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Ceera Murakami wrote:

Sounds like you're using parcel-level access limits instead of Estate level. Parcel-level limits do nothing at 51M or more above the terrain surface.

But if you turn public access OFF in the

estate

controls, no one can TP into your sim at

any

altitude unless thay are a member of one of the groups on your estate's access list, or are individually named as having access in the estate's access lists.

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[Perrie Juran]

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Adiva Cummings wrote:

Hiya

Thank you for getting back to me, but if i do that the sim is locked off to new people not in the group

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Ceera Murakami wrote:

Sounds like you're using parcel-level access limits instead of Estate level. Parcel-level limits do nothing at 51M or more above the terrain surface.

But if you turn public access OFF in the

estate

controls, no one can TP into your sim at

any

altitude unless thay are a member of one of the groups on your estate's access list, or are individually named as having access in the estate's access lists.

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That is correct.  It is how the system is set up. 

If you need you can still Ban someone from the SIM if I recall correctly, but you can't stop people in general from TP'ing in unless you turn off access in Estate controls.

[Jadeclaw Denfu]

You can't in parcel settings. And that's good, so flying over is still possible, however without being able to land inside banlines.
Yes, inside banlines, you can't go below 71m above ground. Estate controls keep non-members completely out,
but if you still want to have a welcome area for non-members, the Telehub is an alternative:
http://community.secondlife.com/t5/English-Knowledge-Base/Managing-Private-Regions/ta-p/700115#Section_.1.1 

If you need an idea for designing the area, the old original Telehub-buildings are still available at the freebie market in Stillman. For free.

[Ceera Murakami]

Unfortunately, there is no way to allow people who are not in your group to TP into the sim, and at the same time prohibit people who are not in the group from teleporting anywhere they choose in the sim at altitudes greater than 50M above the terrain surface. The parcel-level access controls are all ground-based and ineffective at altitudes more than 50M above the surface. This was a compromise made with mainland users who like using flying vehicles, so parcel owners on the ground wouldn't make it impossible to fly over their land, and dates back to when the max altitude for doing anything was 768 meters. General ban lines used to go higher, creating an invisible maze above the ground that made air travel a nightmare.

A telehub can restrict where people arrive when they TP into a sim. But once they TP in, they can go anywhere in the sim above the ban line heights.

You can ban an individual by name, but that only increases the altitude limit to 768 Meters. Above that they can still TP in even if banned by name. When LL increased the build limit from 768 Meters to roughly 4000 Meters, they didn't increase the ban line height to match, for explicit bans by name.

You could place lots of scripted security orbs in your sim, set to ban and eject anyone that was not in your group and who wandered out of a small welcome area in a corner of the sim. But that is difficult to set up well (each scripted security device only affects a 96M radius), adds lag to the sim from all the scripted stuff, and won't stop a griefer from standing in your welcome area and causing trouble.

You might want to consider placing a 'welcome center' in some other sim, where people can meet with members of your group, see pictures of your non-public sim and get info on what you do there and your policies, and get a chance to join the group, while locking the sim itself down with Estate level access controls, to eliminate public access. Then your sim could be protected, but new people would still have a way to visit, after being admitted to the group at the welcome center.

If you do this, however, the sim that you lock down needs to not share any borders with other sims that are not locked down. For example, if you locked down the sim, but had a homestead sim attached edge to edge with it and the welcome center in the homestead sim, it would still be quite possible for someone to TP into the adjacent homestead sim, and then fly across the border and above the 50 M ban lines, to access your locked down sim, without joining your group.