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3 minutes ago, Gem Oxygen said:
I googled " Parody branding" and found numerous articles to read
Oh okay. It's in Copyright Law under the Fair Use Clause portion I am pretty sure. It's in one of the links I referenced previously I know that for sure.
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1 minute ago, o0Tasha0o said:
I getcha, it just feels so stupid that the merchants can't simply let me take a screen-shot of it and give modify perm so I can fix it myself, or fix it themselves and send an update to those requesting it, like it doesn't take any time at all to throw in the proper alpha script and be done with it.
Most the reputable gacha merchants I know would fix it for me but seems to be a few i've run into that wont.
Yes but by the sounds of it the only issue is that you had to hide a part of your body to make it work. Something that is fixed via your hud. There's very few vendors that are so perfect that you don't need to hide anything. So its pretty common to have to hide some parts. I can only think of 3 maybe 4 offhand and I shop a lot. I think I've been to every event since like July or August. Even the smaller ones.
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7 minutes ago, o0Tasha0o said:
I usually only get them directly from the merchants becuase i'd rather support their amazing creations than buy from 3rd parties some of which like to abuse an exploit to mass duplicate them, and on top of that I know it hasn't been modified in any way :P.
It's just sad two of these merchants one which seems to be really high profile can't even offer a fix to a problem i've had for 3 years on an older gacha lol.
I actually concur with what you say about the buying straight from vendor. Normally when i get gacha's I wait til after the event to post whatever extras I have.
As for your issue there is, no problem at all to fix. An auto hide is a convenience thing. It is not a necessity. I guess they could have contacted you and explained it better than I probably am and trust me it annoys the hell of out me when I hear of vendors not responding but at the same time you are literally giving them no starting point here as there is essentially no problem.
It's kind of relative to me leaving a message for my car dealership complaining that my car won't start without the key in the ignition. Yes they make cars with a push button, but my car didn't come with one so now I want my money back for it. I honestly don't think that car dealership would get back to me.
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3 hours ago, o0Tasha0o said:
Without giving names of the specific people, how does one deal with "Bad Customer Service" / Merchants who provide broken Gachas?
**RE** Katia, I bought this Gacha in 2017, around the time it first came out (Every Piece Whole Set) spent over 10k Linden I believe.Just curious but how are you spending 10k to complete a set? I feel like for the most part Ive only ever spent at most 1500 completing a set and that's generally about the high point of where I value a set. Is this just some sort of completionist thing? I feel like for 10k you should have quite a few complete sets. Did you check the market place first before rolling on the gacha?
Edit: Just saw the set in the MP. It has 5 different color combos so thats around 2k per set if rolling 10k for them. That's a bit high imo. I think if I was rolling that bad I would have cut my losses at some point way south of 10k.
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6 hours ago, Isla Darkfire said:
Thanks so much for all the info LittleMe Jewell, Ultimo Constantineau and Alwin Alcott! I'll take your advice
Ignored Chic Aeon's waffle with her capitals/bold/underlined blah, calm down girl, you'll have a seizure...it's not the end of the world
Thanks again everyone else for the the input, you're the best!
In the future I'd suggest looking the resources up for yourself. These forums you are going to get varying levels of knowledgeable opinions but a few of them are just people with a bajillion comments and have little friends that like every little thing they say regardless of its accuracy and only just appear to be an expert on whatever the subject is but for the most part just spread varying levels of disinformation.
As for Chic, Ive only ever had good convos with her as far as i know. Probably had some disagreement here or there but to me they were just that.
I've asked a few questions on these forums and have had some pretty knowledgeable people respond. But just take whatever we say with a grain of salt. 99% of the time we know as much (or little) as you do.
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5 hours ago, Gem Oxygen said:
I did some research, the main reason SL creators can and do get away with using like but obvious misspelled rl brand and logos is based on a lil law called Parody Branding. From what I understood, it is allowed under copyright laws regarding rebranding of popular logos. As long as there is no insinuation from the creator as their product being official, or represented officially. They can make shoes/clothing that has similar colouring, similar logos but saying N!ke or Vesackie for Versace is indeed legal, where creators screw up is not having in obvious places is a disclaimer of said parody logo is not a official one or they are somehow endorsed by the company. As long as consumers know this, then unless the rl company's can prove a malicious intent or the creator purposely deceived the public by believing the parodied product was official then they really cant do anything, even if if said parodied products make a profit.A lot of company's don't want to bother, the small Lindens to RL conversion is just not worth the legal fees. The ones that have usually are ones they know the creator is gonna bend because they know they didn't do the disclaimer and know most people in general have no idea about the lil legal footing they have under Parody Branding rights.While Parody branding is not a fail-safe against lawsuits but being well armed BEFORE smashing out parody brands does help, if your going to play with the big boys, be prepared to cry lil girl tears if you get called out on it..lol
Hey Gem would you happen to mention where you found that thing about parody? It wouldn't happen to be under the fair use clause would it?... PS I already know the answer.
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29 minutes ago, o0Tasha0o said:
Should the merchant not include an actual notecard that says "It lacks the Auto Hide feature", instead of misleading customers into belief that it's fully compatible with Maitreya?
Even if that was the case there is no excuse for a merchant in 2017 using outdated scripts then refusing to fix broken item.
It's really disturbing to have merchants who refuse to provide updates to customers when they sale broken items with no corse for refund / delete items from inventory when you run into a merchant doing this.
I honestly don't see why autohide is necessary and almost always use the hud. In fact I find auto hides quite annoying especially when swapping between outfits or trying out demos in crowded areas such as clothing events since they autoshow your bits when you take them off or swap to another outfit. I play gacha quite a bit and I would not consider something not having an auto-hide as broken. Not even remotely.
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30 minutes ago, LittleMe Jewell said:
Definitely not sculpties.
The old flexi skirts/dresses (yes, made out of prims) - and even the new flexi skirts/dresses - are almost always modify. They pretty much have to be in order for us to properly fit them to our body. Yes, this allows for people to get the Object info, but the creators went ahead and made them modifiable anyway because nobody would buy them if they could not make them fit.
For the system layers, there isn't an object tab because those are not prims. Making those no modify was primarily to prevent people from messing with the textures.
Okay thanks I understand now. I just don't get why they would care about people messing with the texture layer. As leaving it mod wouldn't allow someone to download or rip the texture. I want to mess with the texture layer. That's actually the whole point to me making this thread lol.
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6 minutes ago, LittleMe Jewell said:
Except that the Flexi parts were modifiable - because we needed to modify to get the fit right. It was primarily the system layer parts that were no-modify - usually only because they didn't want the customer changing the texture in any way.
It had little to do with the texture and mostly to do with the fact people could read the data in the objects tab and make a copy from that data if it were no-mod. Mod hides that information. Also, do you mean sculpty? Because flexi's were also prims and could similarly be ripped off for exposing that information.
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Just now, LittleMe Jewell said:
This is why I said that if you didn't try to sell them, you would probably get away with creating them and wearing them.
Morally/ethically, it isn't really right --- at least IMO.
Idk. I have to disagree with there being something wrong with it morally or ethically. If you put a product out there for sale and someone owns it for their own use then how they use it shouldn't matter to you. And to be honest, if they find another use than what it was initially intended for then it just gives more of a reason to buy it.
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8 minutes ago, Kyrah Abattoir said:
Note that those many separate sections are still not free compared to a "single piece" mesh.
Models are fed for rendering one by one but there is some incompressible overhead to each onbe of them, think of it like carrying drinks in glasses, it doesn't matter how much of each drink you are carrying, they all need their own glass, even if it's just for a single drop.
Computers generally prefer data they can treat in bulk, it is faster to copy a single 10mb file than a thousand 10kb file.
Yes this is what I figured. Maybe some day we can have grids on our clothing as well. xD. I think it's possible now but if it became a fad I can't imagine what life would be like in a crowded sim.
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On 11/9/2020 at 1:31 PM, LittleMe Jewell said:
In many ways, at least for women's clothing, that has always been the case. Even in the Flexi days, only the flexi parts of outfits were modifiable and the system layer parts were not.
Flexi was a different time when mesh wasn't yet prevalent and things were made mostly of prims. In the case of prims no-mod absolutely protected them from being copied since it hid the information in the objects tab. Otherwise people could just use that information to recreate the prim. Now that information under that tab is useless for mesh as it will not help to recreate it.
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On 11/9/2020 at 1:22 PM, Pussycat Catnap said:
Honestly this is why I near stopped buying from major brands about two years back (I get maybe 1 or 2 items a year to fill in something like "need that boot style") and started buying full perms kits only.
Full perm kits are priced - often cheaper than "fatpacks"... and Gimp is free.
For my furry look on the other hand, I do buy from furry merchants because that stuff is mod. And again... Gimp is free.
Most of the big brands I know go mod and if they didn't it's simply because they didn't think to uncheck that box. They also use their own textures and have no reason to hide the color box because they don't use it to tint their textures. I think the only big brands I can think of off the top of my head that are exclusively no-mod for whatever reason are Blueberry and FashionNatic. But you can tell by the quality of their stuff that the do not use in-game tints.
Honestly, I wish SL would take the color box off the mod/no-mod altogether. It just seems like a lot of lesser skilled creators are just hiding the fact they are essentially selling a single product for the price of a fatpack. I wouldn't mind paying an extra 100-200L for a hud to be included that makes it more convenient for me to change colors but I most certainly will never pay 5 to 10 times the price of one for that ability.
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I like to use photoshop and indesign. Mostly in photoshop then finishing in indesign (mostly for sizing and cropping and I like how the links tab shows what resolution I am working with in real time as I scale and crop a photo). I've been using them a well as other Adobe software since it was Creative Suite so it's what I am more comfortable with.
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50 minutes ago, Chic Aeon said:
Good to know. TY. There is still the Linden Lab TOS in the mix however (not arguing with "you" :D).
Yes ToS but SL doesn't sweep for potential copyrighted material. The TOS is really there just the protect them which is absolutely their right to do. I tnink if they did sweep for copyrighted material we'd lose like half the inventory in the marketplace. As for other countries law I am not sure if they come into play since you do not have possession of the virtual property in said country, it's on a server somewhere in the US. But I haven't referenced this idea so it's merely an uneducated opinion.
I was just trying to point out the term "use" because it's very important when it comes to copyright. Yes according to copyright law you shouldn't copy something that is copyrighted but with the fair use clause the odds you being found guilty of something illegal or found liable for it is slim to none. Cases have already established that precedent for use. And if someone were to challenge you for using something you copied in a virtual realm they would risk setting precedent there as well. So it's not even worth it for someone who is just using something.
As far as walking around SL with a shirt you made with copyrighted material, I doubt you will pop up on their radar at all even if you were standing directly across from a Linden wearing it. If you began to sell it then yes maybe. But even with that, there's an event using a popular trademark name so I kind of doubt even that would pop up on SL radar unless someone brought it to their attention. Which, according to SL's own policy, can only be done by the party who owns the copyright.
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edit: meant to be an edit.
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35 minutes ago, Chic Aeon said:
In all your scenarios above you are not REPRODUCING THE ORIGINAL ITEM. I am sure some research will clarify the differences for you if you care to look into it more.
I have done research.
https://ogc.harvard.edu/pages/copyright-and-fair-use
You should look up the fair use clause. As well as cases where judges have set precedent on it.
PS: I was replying to your quote "You didn't buy the right to use the art on that shirt for your own purposes -- real life or virtual.". You did not use the term "copy" or "reproduce". You used the term "use". So yes my examples were not examples of reproduction.
If we are not allowed to make a copy for our own personal use then why do we have copy machines in libraries?
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14 hours ago, Chic Aeon said:
You bought that shirt in real life. You didn't buy the right to use the art on that shirt for your own purposes -- real life or virtual.
Strange because whenever I buy anything real or virtual I sure do have the right do with it as I please. I can buy a shirt, frame it for whatever reason and display on the front of my house with bright lights and all. I can buy a Kia, take the engine out and put a hamster wheel in it. You can use anything for your own purposes. You just can't sell or profit off it in any way.
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1 minute ago, Luna Bliss said:
Yes, and in Florida there was the issue of imagining Democrats are Socialists, something Cuban-American's fear due to their time under Socialism in Cuba.
I believe in Florida the figure of those for Trump was over 45%.
Yes I found this amazing considering the alt right is a lot closer to the type of socialism they fear than any democrat in office rn.
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1 minute ago, FairreLilette said:
There was a shift to more Hispanic voters voting Republican. Immigration never came up in the article I read. More Hispanics in Texas and Florida voted from Trump because of these issues: Jobs, health care and the fact Trump is anti-abortion. In the past year or so, that I heard at least, Texas wants to over-turn the abortion laws and also Texas wants to be it's own Country. Texas being it's own country doesn't sound like a good idea, especially when California Gov. Newsom just announced all cars must be zero-emission by 2035.
Exactly, immigration isn't a priority to them yet that's what Democrats focused on. Hence why they lost them.
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6 minutes ago, FairreLilette said:
You aren't looking at the reality though here, Qie. For instance, Massachusetts has a population of about 6 million. California has a population of almost 40 million. California took in more immigrants than the population of the state of Massachusetts and probably enough immigrant population for four liberal states. California is a very complex state. We have people from all over the world living here. Although, I'd say California is largely liberal. It was interesting that the Hispanic vote in Texas and Florida were the states where many Hispanics flipped from Democrat to voting for Trump - one of their main reasons is that Trump is anti-abortion although Trump is unable to do anything about making abortion illegal.
Hispanics aren't automatically going to vote democrat over immigration. Specifically Mexican Americans. In fact Mexicans who are here legally are more likely to vote republican. Its like one of the oldest rivalries in the US.
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3 minutes ago, Doc Carling said:
Are you aware that Australia has about 16 million voters. While ten times more, about 160 millions voted 2020 in the US. So I suppose it is pointless to compare Australian with US votings. 6000 votes miscounted? Who said that? It is easy to quote hearsay instead to deliver facts.
Lol yes kind of like President Trump, who has access to all kinds of top secret information, needs to site Breitbart to spread his lies..
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2 minutes ago, FairreLilette said:
Interestingly enough, Reagan was first a Democrat. However, the politics of the 1940's, 50's and 60's I'm sure was very different than today; I'd guess all were WASP (s) back then.
Ya way different. A lot of the southern states used to be democrat. It wasn't until Democrats took up the cause of allowing Blacks to vote that the south started to turn republican.
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"Off Brand" copies of real brands is not ok.
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Ya I know I read it just wasn't sure what portion of copyright law it was in.