Clarissa Lowell
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No prob, hi Ceka, and you're right.
It could've been her home movies or something. So I didn't say anything.
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I found a good group for you. Safe Waters Foundation. Look it up. Full of mer. Have fun!
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By the way very interesting the word salad Masami is using. "can't object if others re use it." My shapes are made for personal use. I do not object to the shape being USED. That's the idea. What I object to is the shape being reSOLD, because I don't work for free so that others can profit.
Only a thief would think that is fair!
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Again, a ridiculous analogy. If shape making were as simple as setting every slider the same, then yes, anyone could do it, everyone could do it equally well, there would be no effort put into it at all (it would take about five minutes, and no aesthetic ability or spatial ability or artistic ability at all) and it would be the same for every single person and so it would not need protecting.
It isn't a "puzzle being solved" because no one has put it together and left the pieces as is to reassemble. That may be the way a thief looks at it, because they are in fact doing just that with something someone else did spend time and effort making. They are just taking down what's already been done and putting it back together again with their name on it this time. But the shape they are stealing was not handed to the person who created it, by Linden Lab. It was not. Are you both being deliberately obtuse? I don't want to insult you but it seems so to me. (And when insults come into it, then people sound like purposeful trolls.)
Instead there are nearly an infinite number of possible combinations, as someone already pointed out and those of you arguing how all shapes are up for grabs, are conveniently ignoring. Not that most of your arguments make a bit of sense to me and from other people's patient but basic responses, I don't think the 'logic' makes sense to anyone else either. And that's even when you even address a point someone has actually said vs. some imaginary one, to begin with. Which I can't think of one example of, right now. Instead it's straw man arguments pulled from thin air.
Linden lab does protect the creations people make including shapes. It is very simple. Do you both not understand that? What part of it do you NOT understand.
The 'variations' in a shape were not already 'made' simply because - well why DO you think that? Obviously when a slider moves things change. Obviously all the people making these silly arguments have done to make a shape is tweak what others have made. Because if you begin with the Lab shape, there is a lot you have to do to try to make something that stands out and is good.
Not even sure what you mean by "created vs. selected one from the many choices already offered" - what choices already offered? A good shape maker starts from scratch. I'm just at a loss to understand what argument you guys are even trying to make. Because it's a slider tool, instead of a prim you can stretch, that makes it predetermined?
I will have to remember that the next time I am trying to create a new shape, face and head shape, cheekbones, lips, eyes, nose, eye size and placement, and all the rest - all I had to do all along was snap my finger. It's all predetermined. Tell me where I can do that?
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Emmett, JeanneAnne loves to tell us all that the land isn't "real" - as if we all thought we really climbed into the computer every time we log in.
That doesn't make her a magi.
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Libel laws are much stricter in the UK than in the U.S.
In the U.S. you could say something that heavily hints at the meshes being used without permission and be well within the law. In my opinion. As far as I know. Winky wink.
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Robustus Hax wrote:But also, just be aware, these "dvds" that they SELL in Second LIfe of real movies are not legal. First they are not real DVDs obviously, just a virtual scripted object that links to a movie file hosted somewhere, as I decribed above with the Quicktime Land Media Parcel. They are not legal, its essentially downloading a pirated movie.
Yep. But strangely those stores have prospered in Second Life for years. The owners say they make a real wage out of it.
What is so funny is those stores forbid anyone from using the DVD players except in their Second Life homes. Because to do otherwise would be stealing.
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Hello, person I never met or saw in the forums before. SO strange you would pop in and insult me while defending the indefensible position of "stealing is okay," isn't it?
I'm not having a nervous breakdown, but thanks for showing your backside with that quickness to insult.
The only shape shop you know is one? There are probably hundreds of shape shops in Second Life. Do all you sock puppets realize we're not all discussing mesh shapes? We are discussing why the regular avatar shapes would still be sold no modify, in the AGE of mesh. In other words, because the avatar old mesh is supposedly worth less now that better, mesh shapes are available.
If you'd bother to actually read what everyone is actually saying, or even to type an intelligible post yourself, or give any logical foundation to your argument, I might think you're just immature rather than being here to troll. Given none of that seems to be true plus you stoop to personal attacks I have to think you're in the troll patrol.
I GIVE AWAY for PERSONAL use, FREE, modifyable, copyable, no transfer shapes. All I ask is that people do not steal my work, I don't ask you respect it I ask that you not STEAL It, that seems to be too much to ask from some of you here and you even brag about it. Is it really too much to ask that people don't steal what I made? Simply because I used an in world tool? If it's so easy to make your own, then just do it, and shut up about it already.
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Since he apparently thinks stealing is fine, how would we know HE even made it, if he DID post a photo of said shape?
Pardon, it's only stealing if someone changes something HE made, and puts their name on it; the same doesn't apply if he does it to someone else, apparently.
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Penny Patton wrote:I would disagree with the "colours already exist" analogy, but agree with the underlying point. When you edit a shape, you are not creating something new. You are editing an existing art asset someone else created, but I also won't say it does not take skill.
Some shape makers slide all sliders to zero before they begin.
But I see now what they are doing is picking apart words. And they're trolls, because they're attacking without either reading or while ignoring what people actually said. Such as castigating me for not allowing modifying when I do allow modifying, and said so. Such as twisting "don't put your name on my work" to "modify it and that's stealing." That's not what I said.
Such as calling Ossian a newbie. LOL
I do not know why the mods are letting them get away with calling people no talent, nervous breakdown having, egomaniac, fraudsters.
So you made a mesh in Blender, Masami. Did you invent Blender? Your arguments are ridiculous and one sided. Changing one pixel of a hypothetical texture, if YOU made it, is stealing, if someone else puts their name on it. But someone does a sculpture of a human face using a Second Life in world tool and that's up for grabs to anyone to slap their name on it. Even if you don't respect spatial ability how about time and effort spent on something.
BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE TOS SAYS IT IS AGAINST TOS TO STEAL SOMEONE ELSE's WORK. THE TOS ALSO GIVES US PERMISSION TO USE THE SECOND LIFE AVATAR MESH and other things like that...Stop trolling, you know that you are wrong.
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Thank you, Coby.
*sprays some at Masami, his various sock puppets, and others who'd rather use insults than actually read what others actually wrote.*
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The build a sim thing in The Sims is really outdated. It won't even let you save after each sim you make. I made one that looked just like someone and couldn't save it until the whole family was done. Then the program locked. I lost all the work.
Building the house is the only fun but to get the things you need you have to keep buying expansion packs. Even worse if you didn't install them in the order they were released you have to uninstall and start over or it borks left and right.
Instead of fixing it all they just keep releasing new EPs. Might be why sales flag.
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Try Truth, I guess.
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Where is the anti troll spray?
Anyone?
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I hope people get a lot more details before they set out a donation jar and grant a debit to a stranger.
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You would have to find a hosting site. Sorry I don't know of a good one.
eta: to answer the second part, buying a Tv won't make any difference. You would get the same result on the Second Life side with a textured flat prim.
TVs used to be good when there were hosting sites running. Now that there are not the TVs only work with SLTV. The main bonus with SL TVs besides how they looked sometimes was the script inside that activated the links.
The hard part will be getting the movie online. That is why so many people rent movies with DVD players in Second Life I guess. Even if it is not really legal.
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What do you mean by your own Dvds?
You can use a Dvd player that some places offer on a single prim if you wanted to. All you need is a texture that matches the media texture on your land.
If you mean a Dvd you own in real life, you'd have to put the movie on a stream somewhere and then connect that stream to your land.
Did that help?
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Masami Kuramoto wrote:Clarissa Lowell wrote:THAT - just blows my mind. First of all - the SL avatar shape IS vertices. So how is that different from changing a vertice or two of something YOU made?
It is not different. That is exactly my point.The SL avatar mesh, including its, is © Linden Lab. By moving its appearance sliders, you interpolate between those morph targets and create derivative works which are not copyrightable because they lack originality. You are not adding anything that wasn't there before. The mesh, including its shape, is still © Linden Lab.I want to make one thing clear because it gets disputed again and again: The number of appearance sliders is totally irrelevant. Each slider moves vertices between two predefined targetsdesigned by the creator of the mesh.Operating those sliders doesn't make you an artist. Anyone with an art background should be able to understand this. The entire expressive range of possible shapes offered by the SL avatar was conceived by the artist who created the set of morph targets.Even if you load the mesh into a 3D editor and make adjustments there, the mesh will remain © Linden Lab. Only if you create your own avatar meshfrom scratch, that mesh will be © Clarissa Lowell,including all its possible shapes.Try saying that to anyone with any art background at all. Da Vinci didn't make the human body either - is there no difference between the Mona Lisa and a stick figure? All people can create what they see? You sound ridiculous.
Da Vinci created his painting from scratch. His medium of expression offered total artistic freedom. He could have painted Mona Lisa with horns on her forehead or a third arm growing out of her chest. His choices were not limited to a few sliders modifyingsomeone else'swork.Ironically, Da Vinci painted Mona Lisa roughly 200 years before copyright was invented. Today we are dealing with an army of zero-talent egomaniacs who drag some sliders in a computer game and suddenly feel on par with Da Vinci.Define irony? Here you are defending your copying someone else's work by saying the shape artists are all copying Linden Lab's work.
Do you know what an even playing field is? Start with the same one everyone else did, and then you have created something.
That is true whether it is a charcoal stick and paper, or the base avatar mesh provided by Linden Lab.
You completely ignored my points about *not everyone can create what they see* and so forth. Obviously, between that and your increasing insults "no talent egomaniacs (who) feel on a par with Da Vinci" you are a troll I should have pegged as such far sooner.
I guess you do not know the difference between an analogy and a boast.
The point is this. When someone makes a shape that has begun with the material provided, in this case the Linden Lab default 'create a new shape' - from there on out they are molding it to resemble something. Do you think all shapes look alike? Do you think people's aesthetic and time and effort are worthless? It must be so if you think you can steal what they have done and not give it another thought. Whether the starting point is a default mesh, or a default prim cube, or pad and paper, does not matter. The point is that someone has applied their time and effort and creativity and artistic ability to that.
If you think it doesn't matter, then why would you NEED to steal any part of their work? The shape makers have no choice but to begin with the default 'create a shape.' You DO have a choice other than stealing what they made from that.
begone troll...begone
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If I were queen for a day? LOL
Lower tier or put more land in each tier bracket.
Put a minimum and maximum cap on land prices.
Stop competing with residents in selling land. If Linden Lab sells land at 1L/meter residents have to sell it at .5 or less.
Let people offer a discount on their stuff in world vs. Marketplace like Qie said.
One way Linden Lab could make money is by offering online real time video guided classes in making stuff.
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Hate to say it but Second Life has a very bad reputation among mesh artists all over the internet for this type of thing. I haven't seen it in world myself but I have seen photos of video game characters and stuff like that in mesh. I don't think the copyright holders of those artistic creations made those mesh avatars.
Not sure what to say about it. It's a shame.
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Sorry, no, no one can protect us against our own naivete.
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Yeah.
But, on the other hand...
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Hey MsFearless, send me an IM or note card of when you will be in Second Life next time or a few times to choose from and I will do my best to be in world to come and help you in person. If you want!
Or drop by NCI there are helpers there who love to help.
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Yes, you can have a less than perfect shape and the face of a really really good skin will make it look much better - from the front. (Ever notice how many skin or shape shops ONLY show an av from the front?) But, a skin can do nothing for bad proportions in the face or body, or a bad profile of the face. Because the shape gives three dimensions. Those are important too.
Why not start out with a good shape as well as a good skin, as well as the best of every other category, that you can find.
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"Becoming someones soul"..?
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Is that why we never hear about spampires any more? It used to be a huge problem especially in any sim newbies went to. I remember getting bite requests constantly in sandboxes.