Trinity Nabob

True. Lets see how many estates go from G to M or A in the coming months. Should be a good indication of what the majority really feels about this.

Why ty for the statistic links. Monthly Tier Estimates - Private Estates c.US$5.165 Million, Mainland c.US$1.068 Million 78% rated Mature. Today. Of course these numbers will change in the months to come, should be interesting to watch the balance shift. there's one in the far north-east that appears to be a ring of PG beaches with a Mature interior. That's going to be really weird for everybody. I saw that too and thought it was very odd. I wonder if that maybe is protected land? Dunno and I am not giong to log in to see either. I have vowed to avoid all PG sims from here on out.

If you think what goes on in Zindra only goes on in Zindra, well that is nieve at best. What about private islands set to Adult? What about Mature areas where a party goes wild one night? Eyes wide shut much? The reality of the situation is that SL has been a +18 grid for so long ppl have become accustomed to doing what they like where they like. Damn those rule breakers, they have some nerve don't they? Of course I am laughing. You know what bothers me more than anything about this whole situation is that we are all going to have to deal with the net nannies and the do gooders who go around shouting "what about the children" from here on out. That is our fate. I don't personally want to deal with all that drama, bad press, and frankly BS that will come with this grid merge.. This will probably go threw; and I will probably make all my island visitors be age verified. I won't visit any of the pg areas that I once upon a time called home. I will never understand why LL decided to choose such a small population over the greater good. To me LL decision to do merge the grids was not only hasty but in the end will prove to be an ignorant and costly choice. *Trin

I like most ppl started out on the mainland. Matter of fact I lived on the mainland ...im thinking my first 3 years of SL. Griefing, BS, and Lag made me want my own estate; the rest as they say is history. Yes 80%? I do not have the facts and figures in front of me, is that a guess-timate? Just for fun lets take your figure of 80% and run with it. Sure make a pg continent, have the teens go there; keep my rules for it. How about we take this to the limits since LL likes to tie our hands. "All in favor of making the entire grid; "Mature and Adult" say "I". Then announce that all kids are allowed into SL any age but only on PG sims. Works for me. Ha!

"This is far from an accurate representation of the majority of residents in Second Life. If it was they would have to change the name to Haters Life. These are the same people who come out and complain in the blogs about every decision that the Lindens make. Next week they will be complaining about the price of tea in china. This is why the Lindens do not interact with the blogs as much as they used to do. Do you blame them? Now the cyberbullies want to scare the teens from the main grid with all of these hatful and intolerant comments towards the teens. Just ignore them. You will more than likely never even see any of them If these people are so afraid of being arrested by undercover police posing as teens in the PG areas, here is an easy way to avoid this, keep the weird stuff in the adult sims and out of the PG ones. That is not to hard to do." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wow way to generalize. I have been active in this thread because it affects my Second Life and frankly this topic will have ramifications on the economy of SL; again something I am very much interested in. I have been rl busy for months and barely have even logged into SL much less posting everywhere about what ever LL does wrong. I have read this entire thread and commented as I see fit. I do not need your permission nor your blessing to do so. I am not part of the mob mentality, I am from the Trinity Nabob tribe. I have invested the past 7 years in SL both in time and money, I like many others have more to lose than a few lindens. Setting the whole sex thing to the side, there are other very valid reasons why kids to not belong hanging out with adults. Ask the kids themselves for the most part I am hearing they don't want to be on the main grid either. We agree. *Trin

1) All retail private region maintenance, including grandfathered pricing, is expected to continue without increase through Dec. 31, 2011. What you pay now, as a retail customer, is what you’ll continue to pay through the end of 2011. Yeah!

Most of the educational places that was to house the 13 - 15 yr olds are now going to leave to other places because they don't want to pay a non discounted price for land. That also means that these minors wont be here because their educational places wont exist anymore. Sure they will, they will just do so illegally as they do now.

Wow I bet your wife loves you putting that out there huh. lol

Age check please

Your not helping your case by getting upset and storming off.

It's more than a little just change. Please do keep in mind some ppl have been in SL since 2003. Disneyfing Second Life will be met with a lot of opposition. "This will not end well" "Slippery Slope" "Cleansing the Grid" PPL in SL love SL for the freedom it gives them. LL has been chipping at that freedom for a few years now. Looks to me like ppl are pushing back. Yup me included. I don't see a need for kids to be on the main grid. It isn't just about the sexual part. Sometimes the mental connections with ppl are much stronger than any visual sex act played out within SL. Some adults cannot handle finding out they have rl emotions with their avatar mate. I personally know ppl who have left their rl spouses for someone they met in SL. I do not believe any teen is ready for that kind of baggage. Others have stated many other real concerns in this thread. I have even been watching U-tube and listening to the teens saying they don't want LL to merge the grid. No one wants it but a very small minority at this point, LL would be wise to start listening to their very real paying customer base. Maybe they will? *Trin

Did you really think the general population would welcome kids onto their 18+ grid with open arms? That is unrealistic.

(not a post to Irene Muni, general reply to topic) The solution is a simple one. I understand the need of LL to generate or keep any income, from Teens and pre-teens. Make the mainland all pg. Unverified accounts all must get verified. They cannot upload, anything. They cannot buy anything. They cannot sell anything. They do not have access to notecards. They do not have groups or the ability to IM. They cannot teleport off the mainland. They can build in world but their inventory is very limited, say to 100 items. No one over 18 is allowed on the mainland. LL moved ppl to Zindra, they can do it again. -----

They had the chance to outnumber us. They failed. IMVU; sucks.

That's not the position most have been expressing, in fact many business and non-profits that are exclusively maingrid are getting pretty hyped up at the possibility. Opening up the grid and bringing the IMVU crowd in will give SL commerce a badly needed shot in the arm and live music will simply explode. We get a vastly richer SL, in fact .. they might be the demographic that saves this whole ship from sinking. If your counting on a small portion of kids to save SL, then we have already boarded the Titanic. The teen grid is closing because it failed to be profitable. The problem is how to keep the very adult side of our playground away from minors, for the most part thats technical and something the lab need to resolve. Prevent visibility of M+ land and make it possible to tag items as G or M - roll that out and tag everything in SL as M. If a teen account can get an item of inventory its because its creator has specifically set it up with a G rating. Its a chore for content creators but no bigger then than forced move to the new SL marketplace. Bring it on LL ! The only way to do that would be to set up seperate contient zones. Another Zindra land fiaco that alienated their existing customer base. As a content creator, I have better things to do than to jump threw hoops every few months for LL. I would not welcome any additional workload. The other issue is social, stupid people on both sides of the age of majority will be stupid. I'm afraid that for the most part thats going to mean the grown ups acting like grown ups and realizing that to be a grown up comes with a certain amount of personal responsibility. SL is synonymous with naked men running about with giant willys, attack parenting all you like, but if you can't keep your virtual sex life in your pants from time to time, its not the parent who has a problem and the freedom to indulge in that kind of behavior is not something you should be trying to protect. You want to protect the freedom of the kids while taking away the freedoms of the adults; that won't work. *Trin

No, General is the new name for PG. They changed the names when Viewer 2 came out. PG is now called General and Mature is called Moderate. The 16-17 year-olds will have access to all the current PG sims on the Main Grid, including those that are scattered like raisins through the mostly Mature mainland. Oh dear I just realized something. If LL is already using the new terminology in Viewer 2; General/Moderate/(what ever they are calling the adult area as well). That ties into what Philip Linden said in his SLCC speech about SL gearing towards using only one viewer. I don't think I would of ever put that together as I don't use 2.0. Interesting. In another post you stated (not to me ) Please hurry up and give us more details. We've been waiting for over 6 weeks now. While no specific date has been set, you have said this will be happening on Dec 31 at the latest. We really don't have much time to make the decisions we need to make and prepare for this huge change. I am leaning towards going all in and clicking that Verified button; mainly for my own peace of mind. Knowing that I did everything I could to avoid contact with any kids. Not on the entire grid because I cannot control that; but on my little slice of the grid. I listened to the entire speech by Philip Linden. That educator was defiantly upset over the changes. LL set them up far better than any other group from the Teen grid. It's not just the depictions of sex that bother me about this. There are other very adult builds that have stuck out in my memory that I don't think a minor should see. One in particular was of a person hanging from a noose the whole scene was very dark and upsetting to a friend of mine who lost someone dear to; suicide by hanging. I remember how distraught my friend was and she was in her 40's. Some kids will not understand that kind of "high art" as the artist called it. That is just one more example, there are many in SL as the imagination is free to create "anything". *Trin

Some in this thread have been saying this is a one sided issue and that only the adults don't want the kids on the grid. This video is of a Teen saying they are concerns about being on the main grid as well. More so this particular teen and a few more; do not want the grid to merge either. This video was not aimed at you directly it was aimed at LL and those who think all the teens do want to be on the main grid. We need a "Reply to topic in general" button. *Trin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75CtWDtttoc&NR=1 Adults are not the only ones with real concerns.

Your post comes across as "snotty". Kids grow up fast enough these days, I have no interest in pushing them along as you suggest. *Trin

Hi! This past weekend I spent some time on Sl and some of i tin adult rated sims! I ran accross a self confessed 13 year old and a self confessed 16 year old in adult sims Did you report them? 3 I was in a 3-way lesbian scene being watched by a 13 year old! This is wrong!!!! It most certainly is.

Computer that supports SL; 2k Poser 250.00 Zbrush 700.00 Lightwave 500.00 Mudbox 630.00 Corel 450.00 Photoshop 700.00 Plugins, various books; 500.00+ Wacom tablet 1k island fees for a year 3450 ---- $10,150.00 .... Being arrested for transmitting illicite materials to a minor? Priceless.

" The legal age of sexual consent in most of North America is 16. With the exception of a few states where the age consent is younger. This pretty much covers Linden Labs of liability as well as the rest of us who wish to bath nude in our hottubs. I didn't think Linden Labs would allow the 16 to 17 year olds into the main grid without researching a few laws along the way, or at least making sure it's adult residents were covered as well. For anyone who is interested in finding out the LEGAL AGE OF SEXUAL CONSENT for their state or country here is a web address http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America#Florida. It not only tells you about the law but gives you the penal code of your state to look it up. Research of facts is always best before shooting off one's mouth." The legal age of concent in Mexico is 12. That does not make it right.

Thanks Linden Lab! I was kinda worried that I may lose my account because of the merge. At least I'll still be able to enjoy Second Life~! There's one thing I want to ask though. Are there going to be locations for teens who don't belong to any orginazations to hang out in? You will NOT be welcome on my island on the main grid.

Adults sometimes like to go to places where there aren't children, and in such places they will act in a different manner than they would if children were present, that's what has happened with Second Life. 16 and 17 year olds should not be being welcomed here until Linden Lab can make those areas they roam, suitable for teens and if that means putting in measures similar to the one in this blog post, then that's fine. Yup that is true. I like that there are no kids allowed, I like the freedom that gives me within Second Life. Honestly I just do not want to deal with kids, I did not sign up for that. Matter of fact; knowing that kids were in Second Life; I would not of joined. I also suspect it will turn ppl off from joining SL in the future for the very same reason. I have to realy wonder why LL is so concerned about alienating a group of young ppl who do not contribute enough to SL to keep their own grid open. Bottom line, my $ speak louder than any kid. LL would be wise to look at the big picture and the future path they are setting for themselves.

Did everyone in this group AR them? I would bet "No". Your group sounds like another fetish group, and there is nothing wrong with that in an 18+ enviroment . I say that because you described your group as having "breeding grounds, and sexually explicite content" was being used. You make an excellent point about how the males view these young girls as "fair game" sexually. Took a lot of guts for you to put that out there, take care. *T