Hooten Haller

I am definitely interested in basic/advanced modes in a viewer, but there are other ways to achieve ramping the learning curve to the user's interest level. I'll come out more strongly in favor of controlled region complexity, for regions that choose to be friendly to new residents by obeying complexity limitations. I think the idea of only a niche market is moribund. Yes, LL is sustaining itself, but we've seen examples of products simplified for a wide market without eliminating the access niche customers have to more complex options. MP3 players immediately pop into my mind.

I have heard and used them. LL seems to think Viewer changes would help new residents, but they have also tried carefully constructed regions, sometimes in conjunction with a viewer (the brief Web-based viewer was somewhat limited where you could go). The impossible can't be achieved while we persist in calling it impossible. I think simplifying (not using loaded words like dumbing down) is necessary for the new users. A simple viewer (and maybe simple starter regions) can be a gateway experience to the richer worlds beyond. I am not advocating simplification of all viewers, or all grid builds.

Let me clarify my intent a bit. This is the seed of an idea, not a finished plan. Making a viewer is undoubtedly very hard work. Tweaking one, maybe not so hard. So add some incentive in the form of prizes. And if a person has ideas but no coding skills, she can team up with someone who can code. The ideas should be functional, and not just do-nothing widgets. They don't need to be fully functional, but they do need to work well enough to give a real feel for what it could be. This is also not an implied criticism of the great work done by LL so far. It is an extension of the original idea of opening the code base, to get ideas coming it. The prize incentives are for that purpose. I see a lot of great energy put into third party viewers but they don't often focus on the new user experience. I'd love to see a lot of creativity directed at growing and persisting LL's resident base.

Dear LL, Here's a free idea for you. Hold a contest for the 100 best viewers designed expressly for new residents. Submissions grant LL a right to use the code and ideas submitted. The 100 best get some small prizes, maybe with better prizes for the top 3. The exact numbers aren't important: 100 represents "enough winners to encourage a lot of entries". The goal is to get a few bright ideas from skilled users about what they'd think makes for a better new resident experience. Now just words in a forum, but real, working viewers. Start with the latest LL open source, not the extant third party viewers. Significant changes woud not be required. Only something that clearly and functionally demonstrates the concept(s). The more finished it is, the more likely to win, but a really great idea would boost winnability too. What do you think?

Not. I have simply complained about some bad web page design and hoped someone else would see my point. Amazon, with all of its cross- and up-selling page junk does not put out a confirmation page like this. So it really was my legit concern.

At the top of the pag ei see "Click 'Place your order' to complete checkout". At the bottom of the page I see "Place your order". The only thing in between is a set of product photos and no message explaining why they are there. They look like a variation on a shopping cart to me.So there is no "Continue" on this page, it's the final page before the account is docked money.

I half-guessed they might be ads. But the page doesn't say so and the context is about confirming a purchase. Without taking the chance that i'll be docked thousands of L$, I wasn't willing to click like you were. (And since I don't like to reward badly designed sites, I will continue to not click if I ever try this again.)

When I go to buy a 0L product and check out, I am presented with a confirmation page showing a dozen products I did not put in my cart. I don't want to click "Confirm" for fear I'll be charged. There is nothing explaining why these are showing up in my cart (or is it my cart?). The page URL is "https://marketplace.secondlife.com/orders/99999999/checkout/linden_dollar/continue? Very confusing. I'll stick to in-world purchasing I think.

Thank you! I'd happily rez a prim bearing the texture but even then I don't think there's a way.

I want to write a script that can get a snapshot texture's description or geotag (region and XYZ location). That info is in the description, but it's too often truncated in the name. llGetObjectDesc doesn't work given a snapshot's UUID, that I can tell. Am I overlooking any wily or obvious techniques here?

Valerie, you have a place in SL as a **bleep** hag. I love it... Straighty McStraight. And actually S/W dancing used to be the most popular form of social dancing (in first life/real world) for gay men. (It's getting a run for its money from the gay square dancers). --gay square dancer (Yes, that **bleep* was the forum software editing out the word f a g. Sigh.) --That's MR **bleep** to you.