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1 hour ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

I'm not sure that "evil motives" or "racist intent" have much to do with it.

The point of culturally-induced racism (or sexism, or homophobia, or whatever) is that it's embedded in the way that we think, and is most frequently unconscious. Someone who clutches her purse a little tighter when a man of colour walks by isn't necessarily responding consciously or with "intent," and certainly not with "evil motives," but it is racist nonetheless. I think, myself, that limiting one's concerns to those with "evil motives or racist intent -- NeoNazis, for instance, or members of the KKK -- is in some ways a form of avoidance, because they are easy and identifiable targets. Most of us don't have to think very hard to condemn outright racists (unless, apparently, one is the President of the US?), and it generally requires, I assume, little in the way of self-reflection. In fact, that kind of "anti-racist" action is very reassuring: we can feel good about ourselves because we don't wear white hoods or have swastikas tattooed on our arms.

The most pervasive, insidious, and ultimately dangerous kind of racism isn't signaled by flags, or placards, or memes, or fascist signs: it's unconscious, built into the assumptions we were educated to accept. And it's in all of us (yes, even me). Maybe "virtue" doesn't reside in not "being racist," but rather in KNOWING that one is racist, and consciously correcting that tendency through self-reflection and acts of generosity, kindness, and inclusivity?

In that context, some might argue that any kind of "race bending" (or interracial role play) is bound, almost by definition, to be racist, even if that is not the intent, because in representing others we are enacting and reinforcing our own unconscious stereotypes. We are telling others what they are "really" like, in our own minds.

That's why we try (or should try) to avoid things like kiddie Hallowe'en costumes that represent stereotypical "Indians," or "Chinese," or "Gypsy." I don't think we worry that the kids wearing these have evil motives or racist intent. But they are reinforcing and imposing upon others racist stereotypes without even knowing it.

Even Jessie Jackson said once that he breathes a sigh of relief when he hears footsteps behind him at night and turns and see its a white man.

Quit trying to wring that last drop of "racism" out of your soul, it will end up doing you more harm than good.

 

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I observed some interracial roleplay last nigth, it was tiresome and annoying, but  I won't ascribe evil motives or racist intent.

Y'all have a nice day

[anyone needing a wifeyy]

My bf has two already, but we are always looking to expand the family. I'll send u a list of our requirements inworld.

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2 hours ago, Solar Legion said:

Your last few replies have been nothing more than reiterating the same thing while seemingly refusing to grasp/understand what has been presented to you while the most recent prior to the one I a responding to really does read as the sort of response one who is simply trolling would give.

The information presented was in a form that really is not all that hard to parse, assuming that you're actually trying to parse it.

So if you aren't trolling then tell me which part of what has been presented to you, you find so difficult to parse? Which concept are you having trouble with?

I have no issue whatsoever with thoughtful debate or with answering honest questions.

the whole point was to find out a definition of raceplay but since there are many definitions offered all i can do is look into my own heart for the answer so no i dont engage in race play and people that know me well know i dont either

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54 minutes ago, sirhc DeSantis said:

' Edited 1 hour ago by BilliJo Aldrin
too many asterics again '

The word I believe is Asterisk, plural has an S. I always remember as it was always my, ahem, A*** to risk.

Brought to you by the department of pointless yet correct Interjections. Carry on now...

cool thank you 

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23 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

Hmm. Somehow I've managed to miss this variation before.

Assuming that we're talking RL rather than SL, and that it's not consensual role play (which would surely defeat the point), how is this not rape?

actually its a joke but since its not pg i'm not gonna try and write a convoluted version to avoid the censors

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3 minutes ago, Solar Legion said:

It is not at all difficult to understand exactly what has been written and rewritten in response to you thus far nor are any of the concepts that have been presented to you since you began this side show that difficult to comprehend.

The only explanation at this point is that you are now trolling and quite frankly I am not in the mood to indulge you any further.

When others reply they are engaging in thoughtful debate,  I reply, I'm trolling.

Thank you so much for your kind words.

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18 minutes ago, Solar Legion said:

There is where you are quite wrong and as long as you contend such, will continue to be wrong.

Read the many definitions of race play presented to you through the thread: Any use of a derogatory term for the race of your partner during the course of sex does indeed fall under race play. That it is what said partner gets off on does not invalidate this nor does the appropriation and alteration of such language outside of sexual situations change this either.

You could argue that using such language during sex is both race play and denigration play and also be quite correct.

the guy calls himself a n****r as a source of empowerment, I'm  denigrating him by complying with his request to use it?

Suppose I said "sorry sir I'm not gonna call you n****r because to use that word would insult you and degrade u as a human being.

Hes gonna say shut the f**k up b**ch and just do what I say.

I can't win. I guess  I should just play it safe and stick with my own race.... but omg won't that make me a racist?

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19 minutes ago, Madelaine McMasters said:

Yeah, but you really are a snot, BilliJo. Everybody knows it. So it's not an insult.

What's more empowering, to be a snot or to be called one?

;-).

ouch

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1 minute ago, Morgan Rosenstar said:

No you did not. You asked and I answered, simple as that.

Yes, that's my point. Context matters. Outside or inside a sexual intercourse, it is not said with the same intention, the same meaning and therefore it's not the same thing either.

my gfs and me call each other s**t all the time, just like some black guys might call each other n****r.

Oh, you f**ked 3 guys last night? Oh you s**t.

I've lost entirely the point you are trying to make.

but

calling a guy n****r during sex because he asked me to isn't raceplay, 

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3 minutes ago, Morgan Rosenstar said:

It is not a raceplay.

did i say it was? i said people take derogatory words used by others against them to empower themselves.

People in SL might call me a s**t as an insult, i'm like yes I'm a s**t so what? My s**ty gfs use it all the time to describe themselves

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4 minutes ago, Morgan Rosenstar said:

Are you sure they're using this word to empower themselves and where is the sexual roleplay in this either?

It sounds like you're extending the raceplay outside of its context which would then make it look like an evil thing.

I believe I don't have to tell you that there are many forms of sexual fantasies and even some very forceful and painful sexual roleplays, right? However if you believe that this kind of persons doing this kind of extreme sexual roleplays are also cautioning and supporting tortures or criminal acts, you're most certainly wrong. They do not.

So I don't really see the point to extend a form of sexual roleplay outside of its context because it really doesn't sound relevant.

so black guys in rl greet each other by saying 'sup n****r because its a form of sexual rp?

some black guys call each other n*****r, for whatever reason, its just how it.

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3 minutes ago, Morgan Rosenstar said:

janetosilio did gave the definition of raceplay :

I've bolded the important point. It is a form of sexual roleplay.

Good to hear that your relationship with this guy is not limited to sexual roleplay. You can try to extend and compare with other forms of sexual roleplay such as nurse and doctor. Does it mean that these two persons are having a medical relationship? I don't think so, nonetheless they do this kind of sexual roleplay.

Actually  I never use that word with my bf, neither of us likes it. I'm referring to some stranger i met one day, he got off on it, so whatever

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1 minute ago, Solar Legion said:

Here's what a kink listing/Adult RP character listing site has listed as their entry for race play (note they simply list it as racism):

It does not matter one whit if the person on the other end is one of the rather rare types that finds "empowerment" in the use of such language - by nearly every definition out there the term you've used as an example is deemed derogatory and thus would fit into race play.

On a side note: I have only ever seen/heard the term used by POC when describing someone of their own race who is either insanely ignorant or whose actions fit/bolster the negative stereotypes that exist. Further the term most often used in a "positive" light removes the 'er' at the end to replace it with a singular 'a'.

so rappers calling themselves n*****s are slandering themselves? You take your enemies slanders and use them yourself to empower yourself not denegrate yourself.

 

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1 minute ago, Morgan Rosenstar said:

Errr no. I didn't spoke about raceplay as an unilateral thing. I think I did said that it's a play between two persons.

So if he refers himself this way and you agree to please his preferences, I do see a consentant play between two persons. This play being based on races, it is a raceplay and consentant between two adults.

But i'm not basing my relationship on his race, hes a guy that happens to be black and he gets off on using that word. Race has nothing to do with it really

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1 minute ago, Morgan Rosenstar said:

Yes, it is raceplay. But if you're both consentant, then have fun and screw the prejuges.

So if he calls himself n****r it's his personal choice, but if i refer to him as n****r at his request its race play?

It seems  we've gone from defining race play as stereotyping a whole race by certain unsavory characteristics of a few members of that race (thug,  gangsta, subhuman rapist) to using a single word at that persons request?

*shaking my head in amazement*

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5 minutes ago, Solar Legion said:

Good luck with that.

Oh I know right? I think its called baiting

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6 minutes ago, Morgan Rosenstar said:

Sure, talking dirty in bed can definitely be hot but it's named a raceplay when this dirty talking is about races (N word, bull, etc...).

So to answer your previous question, you would do a raceplay with an asian partner if you're using any dirty racial qualificatives during sex (such as words with rice-something,  etc...).

how is it race play if the person is of that race? Not gonna tell a white guy to stuff his big n****r dick in me, that makes no sense.

Some blacks like refer to them selves as n****r, and it empowers them more to have a white girl refer to their manhood as a n****r dick.

If its race play hes the one playing not me, I'm just trying to please him, regardless of his race.

Guess I'll just call all well built males studs instead then , instead of buck or bull

 

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7 minutes ago, janetosilio said:

No, I'm suggesting that's a definition of Race Play, which was what was ask for. The definition gives an example, that's not all the examples obviously. Don't hurt yourself trying to read into it.

Well then sweetie since you already said  I engage in race play, give me a definition that includes me.

Or,..... retract your accusation, because twice now i've refuted your claims

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12 hours ago, JustOKGamers said:

Hiya~

 

I am currently looking for someone to landscape a new homestead I bought - 65,536 sqm (50,000 prim).

Ideally, I would like to transform this flattened island region into an open tropical beach layout.

I can afford to pay handsomely whomever chooses to take on this project - I just have no idea what I am doing!

Feel free to reply in this thread, or message me in SL and we can get the ball rolling!!

I love to terraform. If i can ever log in (sl is hanging up on the log in screen right now), I'll im you inworld.

As for fees, i'm sure we can find a reasonably agreeable amount.

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5 minutes ago, anna2358 said:

Vint Cerf invented the internet to prevent government communications failing when WWW3 starts.

Tim Berners-Lee invented the World-Wide Web so that....

Al Gore could politicize it.

 I know Gore didn't invent it, he just makes things up.

I'm being facetious.... about the whole thing

*waiting for the rage*

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12 hours ago, Bitsy Buccaneer said:

To the discussion of normalisation of things previously not tolerated we might want to add the new "normal" of raging at strangers on the internet.

Ummm raging at strangers started a week after Al Gore invented the internet to disseminate information about the real threat of man-made global warming

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Just now, ChinRey said:

Well, in that case doesn't look like slaver/slave relationship and judging by the definitions others have offered here it shouldn't count as race play.

I was asked exactly one time by someone to raceplay with them. She was Mexican and she wanted me to get a bunch of my white friends together and rp being members of a cheer squad and be mean to her because of her race. Told her i was totally not interested.

*shrugs*

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1 minute ago, ChinRey said:

Just to chime to chime in with a quick comment: there is a huge difference between a sub and a slave. Of course, the biggest part of the difference is that a sub has volunteered and is free to walk away if he/she is unhappy with the situation while a slave has been forced or tricked and is stuck, and that doesn't really apply to SL since we have to presume everybody ahs volunteered to whatever role they're playing.

In an RP situation it's perhaps easier to define the difference from the other side. If your character dominates mainly by force, she is a slaver, if she dominates mainly by her natural authority, she's a Domme. I have no idea which of those roles you play, I suppose you have to determine that for yourself.

Since I post here anyway, just to save you from a nasty reply from Klytyna - and save her the effort writing one - it's spelled D/s with a capital D.

actually she'll say that convention is used mainly by the suburban wanna be dom/mes that crowd out the "real" dom/mes in sl

actually, I domme from the bottom, everything my bf does to me, its because i want him to 

*grins*

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5 hours ago, janetosilio said:

“ A form of sexual roleplay in which the players act out racially-charged situations, such as interracial slave-master relationships”

So are you suggesting that if you want to engage in a d/s relation it has to be with a member of your own race, otherwise its raceplay?

Of course you macking with your homies isn't race play is it sweetie?