[Login in SL not possible]

Yepp, Yepp, also unable to login since one hour and also from Germany.

[Mesh - Seriously is it even worth the trouble???]

5 hours ago, Mattress Runningbear said:

You need mesh they said. It will make you look better they said.

I have been in and out of secondlife for years, I heard of this amazing thing called mesh thats apparently meant to change the way you look massively. I finally caved and got it.

What....the....hell?

I have spent all weekend just trying to get dressed. I have never know such a fiddly complicated system in all my life! I found that I had a mesh shirt already, popped it on. Oh now my skin poking through. Took me a few hours of googling, trying things, before I finally worked out how to fix that in the HUD. Phew! Now to buy shoes and pants. Shoes go on fine, great. Pants, skin showing through them too. Thats ok, I remember how to fix that in the HUD. Absolutely nothing happens this time. Then I notice my shirt has holes in it again, HUD won't fix that either. Another couple of hours googling (by the way, it REALLY does not help when you google these things and all results are for people creating mesh!!!), I somehow get the pants looking good, only now the shoes have my feet sticking out of them, and my arms have disappeared!!! I can get my left arm back but not the right!!

Seriously, I am THIS close to deleting mesh. If anyone tells me this is the norm every time you change, its gone. I figure its not, because everyone seems to swear by it. Clearly I am missing something, but I cannot find it in google, this forum, or sheer luck!

 

I so very feel you. I left sL in 2013 and came back last year. The questionmarks all over my head were there at least for one month. But then it started to get routine again. Only thing what brings me to mental breakdown everytime is, when I get disconnected and all my savings on the huds (makeup, skin etc) are gone and I have to fumble again. And that happens a lot to me.

 

But...stay with mesh. You look better. More polygones. No square botty anymore! 

 

Btw. It is really important of which body you are using. If you are using the "free" ones offered on the grid, they are very limited.

[TMP Legacy mesh body]

After reading of a helpless owner trying to ask for help for that body in a freebie group (she couldn't get a Tattoo applied on her new body), it is definitely a no go for me. 

The TMP "Deluxe" (price reduced, 500L$) was my first body after coming back to SL after many years of abstinence and everytime I think about that "hud" it still gives me a BIG headache.

It did not take longer than one week until I changed to Maitreya/ Belleza.

The body looks kinda nice but the hud seems to be still the same, no thanks then! 😂

[Problem with Bots on my Parcel]

5 hours ago, MichaMoz said:

So, you have their names, just add them to the parcel banlist.

Yes, but if you did read my first post of this thread and following posts by me and other users, you will find out that the person/s (Botuser) did send new avatars to our places just after banning previous ones. And so on and on and on.

 

This would have been a "never ending story", my list was already very long and the last day I already  had 7 new names on my vistor counter in my kitchen after logging in. That were only 8 hours of sleep and beeing offline.

 

Anyway, seems like the problem is gone now as the investigations were very fast. 

Thank you for that.

[Problem with Bots on my Parcel]

53 minutes ago, Chocolate Voom said:

I came here hoping to find some answers to the bots visiting my parcel and I certainly did!  I'm sorry that so many of us are experiencing this issue but hopefully the problem(s) are sorted soon.

I've had the issue for the past few weeks and it's annoying.  I added a whitelist to the Linden Security System when I set it up (the latest update) and I parcel banned the 10 bots.  As mentioned previously (sorry I don't recall the OP), I too noticed that the accounts are between 90-120+ days old and the profiles are empty.

I submitted an AR tonight after reading through this thread.  Having a visitor list script made it easy to collect the names.

I do know how annoying these blowflies are, I had them in my kitchen for nearly two months.

I wish I would have contacted LL earlier because I know they are investigating now and did react very fast to the problem. All of the names I wrote down are gone now. They are offline. Before, those accounts were online 24/7. So there is hope that we all will live a bot-free Bellisseria life in future :D 

[Problem with Bots on my Parcel]

33 minutes ago, Patch Linden said:

 

Please do not try to do anything that goes against the covenant.  We have been looking into this; we're here to help.   If you have this occurring, please report them via the Abuse Reporting tool so we can track.   Thanks!

It's all okay, meanwhile I abandoned the land and informed the new citizen about what is going on on that parcel. She was not very amused, but I recommended to her, to track the unwanted "visitors" and file an AR too. With alone 7!!! new avatars popping up into my kitchen only of today + I always did not like that parcel so much I decided to better be homeless or take an old LH until more sims are released. Everything is fine 😀

[Problem with Bots on my Parcel]

13 minutes ago, Rolig Loon said:

Please do not do that.  There's no point getting yourself in trouble for violating the Linden Homes covenant. Use a visitor counter to collect names and times of the bot visitors and report them in an AR so Linden Lab can deal with them.  If this guy really is a griefer, he'd like nothing better than to sucker you into doing something dumb that will get you in trouble.

The one I got is placed in my kitchen and is directly placed at bots "spawnpoint". It has a range of 5 meters and isnt interupting any people who are on the street around my house or neighbour's parcel. I tested it with alts. It's just for my place in the kitchen. As I said, I'm a really jumpy person and everytime somebody is appearing unexpected beside me, I'm kinda shocked.

Anyways, I will leave the ground now for a skybox again, though I did spend two weeks with decorating with all of my lifeblood (even did spend 400L$ for one of those nice LH -Addons). But I just want to have peace for now. I will leave a visitor tracker on ground, so I can collect more names and maybe, next week, starting to find another parcel. Or maybe I will block the teleports to my house again and let them pop up beside my home, but that means me and my friends will also land beside my home. We will see.

[Problem with Bots on my Parcel]

1 minute ago, Nika Talaj said:

Is she SURE that she is not wearing something that is calling them?  It could be a hair or a set of eyes or a collar or a piece of clothing.  Seriously.

If she can be convinced to wear an avatar out of the library for a little bit, no extra huds or ANYTHING, I'll betcha it stops.

The only other way she can be tracked like this is if she has friended a bad person and given them permission to see her location on the map.  If she is into any sort of D/S activity, she may have done that; it is commonly demanded in those circles.  Not a good idea.

I'm sure it will be something like that. Because if it would be possible to follow ANY person to any place without any permission ... That would be a disaster for the community.

[Problem with Bots on my Parcel]

31 minutes ago, fairlyprincess said:

I don't think its random because, with the exception of one time, they always tp into the exact same spot in my living room...

Yes, same here, always the same place in my kitchen. I did block teleports into my home in the settings and after that they were porting always directly BESIDE my parcel. They do have a permanent route.

@Leora Jacobus that link to that thread is VERY interesting ,a user mentioned some nicknames and MOST of them + their date of birth do sound VERY familiar to me!

So this problem is happening in different places all over the grid, not only in Bellisseria. But obviously the bots are controlled by one or two persons.

[Problem with Bots on my Parcel]

2 minutes ago, fairlyprincess said:

maybe you should ask the bots where they got the program..?  ; )

Yes lol, that would be a great idea! 

Only thing is, that I would annoy my fellow citizen and I'm not the type for such a thing

[Problem with Bots on my Parcel]

21 minutes ago, Mollymews said:

 specific desired parcels

I don't know why they should desire my parcel, in fact, it is not my favorite place I want to live in, It is directly beside a road on flat land, no beach or mountains in sight. It's one of the first sims released in the first week in Bellisseria, less landscaping etc.

In fact I want to abandon it since a very long time and maybe find a "better" one. But I'm very lazy to do that "constantly refresh page thing" and I'm afk very often, so I decided to wait for a few months when they already released more sims and maybe we have more options to choose between homes.

[Problem with Bots on my Parcel]

2 minutes ago, Leora Jacobus said:

Sorry but I am not a native English speaker. I understand this: a 5/12 bot is born on the 12th of May (I guess of this year 2019?)

This is right @Leora Jacobus

[Problem with Bots on my Parcel]

Most are born on the date of 5/12

Then others are born at 4/25

I banned them all and since last few hours I recogniced those, who were born on 6/30

Who knows, what and who is coming after I have banned all of the 6/30ers too 🙄

There was one blank profile popping up at the same place in my kitchen, which was around 368 days old. Maybe the "main" of that person. This profile is shown as "offline" to me as opposed to the others.

But yes, I guess you are dealing with the same person, who is running those bots @fairlyprincess

 

 

[Problem with Bots on my Parcel]

14 minutes ago, fairlyprincess said:

Been dealing with the same bots tp'ing into my living room for awhile now, 8/22 i actually started keeping track..  i got bored and stopped a couple of days ago..  looks like i have 11 bots with three birthdates...  i've had a couple of them enter into my draw distance in places far away from Bellisseria.. 

If you ban them from your land, other ones with other birthdates will be showing up. For me atm those are the ones created 67 (68 now)  days ago. There is a girl in the german forum, who has got the same problem with bots popping up beside her, no matter where she goes.

[Problem with Bots on my Parcel]

47 minutes ago, Nika Talaj said:

This might be relevant:

https://community.secondlife.com/forums/topic/441717-where-is-the-super-secret-botnet-forum-at/?tab=comments#comment-1960189

 

This is a very interesting thread for me, especially the post in which one user mentioned, where those bots might be coming from plus that would be a known problem even on the LH sims.

Another one popping up in my kitchen. Again 67 days old, blank profile, no payment info on file, strange name generated by a name generator. Seems the person is running out of 117 days and 134 days old avatars now, because I'm banning them all. Placed an orb which is teleporting them home instantly now.

I forgot to mention that if you click on those profiles, you will see that they are online 24/7. Or nearly.

[Problem with Bots on my Parcel]

Good morning all,

Eight hours of sleep and after logging into my home, already FOUR! new nonsense 117 days old accounts on my kitchen visitors list. Time to fill an AR. I collected enough names now.

6 hours ago, Nika Talaj said:

I guess I'm ungenerous, because I doubt anyone would go to the trouble of doing this for parcels for themselves. But maybe someone is doing this who will subsequently sell the parcel, with a premium account, to someone. If this is what's happening, it IS hard to understand why they'd be doing this instead of what you suggest, Molly;  bot manufacturers presumably know their way around a script. 

But maybe it's just some jerk who bought a bunch of bots and has a keylogger?

OTOH, Google isn't showing me anyone offering to sell LHs.  Possibly I just don't know where to look.  Equally possible, I guess, is that weirdo bot visits are happening all the time all over the grid, a form of general SL griefing.  I've never noticed it, tho.  LL is probably aware, if that's the case.

But if somebody is taking advantage of current LH scarcity to systematically acquire & sell LH parcels,  @Patch Linden , I really don't think this should be handled by customer service chasing individual AR reports.  Someone should pool the data from these ARs, trace these bots and eliminate the source.  Betcha these bots are unregistered.

 

 

 

My friend inworld had the same guess.

While I'm sitting in my kitchen and observing the situation, another now 67 days old blank, no payment info on file account is popping into my kitchen. The person seems to run an army of bots with different ages.

God, the traffic on my parcel is like the one of a small or bad running club or store lol.

Ar filled with a list of names, people who encounter the same problem in their homes, should do the same.

[Problem with Bots on my Parcel]

37 minutes ago, Sehra Kauffman said:

Question, for those who are having bot issues, is your house in the middle of the region? Perhaps they are enter a region name and just ending up in your house because it was unfortunately placed directly in the center of the region. I really wish the moles would double check that nobody's property sits right on the center of the region for that reason.

Neither is mine, it's located south-east on the sim.

[Problem with Bots on my Parcel]

 A nice somebody turned to my problem and having an eye on it now. As I read from others who also got the same problem: I recommend to all of you: collect the names to a list and send them per AR to Linden Lab.

[Problem with Bots on my Parcel]

33 minutes ago, Rolig Loon said:

I agree.  These are not like Tyche's bots. I can't see a legitimate reason for visiting the same parcel day after day, other than to annoy people.  This sounds like a good case for an AR on the ground of misuse of region resources AND harrassment.

These are parcels in Bellisseria, where all regions were created from thin air only months ago.  There were no prior business on them.  Even if you argue that the bots are targeting universal coordinates, this particular area was open water before Bellisseria.   No, these bots are new to the game, new to the regions, and probably not looking for something that was ever around before.

 

My theory would be, that those bots might be from users looking for new homes in Bellisseria. Because they all are 116 days or 133 days old (Made shortly after the first sims were released) and look like starter avatars.  Maybe to annoy others to give up on their land, idk. But that's only a theory.

[Problem with Bots on my Parcel]

58 minutes ago, Kylie Remsen said:

Gah! I'm guessing they didn't want owners to unintentionally block out people who may be flying in aircraft or something. It's a shame. I wish there was available things to detect bots and boot em on sight automatically. I've had a look for such things, but I don't think it's a thing?

They wanted to get rid of the "yellow banlines" in a community - which I find ugly too - but those restricted possibilities now cause other problems as we can see.

Btw.: It is very interesting to hear of other persons with similar problems. Let's see how this thread will develop.

Edit: I was offline for 2 hours and already two new names on my kitchens visitors list 🙄

[Problem with Bots on my Parcel]

3 hours ago, BJoyful said:

There are completely harmless bots which are used to do important tasks in SL such as gather information for helpful statistics like how many people are online, grid status, taking pictures for the World Map (the ones which appear, spin slowly, and disappear), etc.  They are much more benign than most people fear and many members of SL rely on them to do jobs which do need to be done in world but would be far too monotonous and inaccurate if done by an actual live person behind that avatar.  If they are human sized and attributed they are probably created that way to be less obtrusive and represent an average Resident.  🙂

 

They can do that, but please not in my kitchen or generally house , as I'm a very jumpy person and every time such a bot is popping into it - right beside me - I nearly get a heart attack 🤣

Nova's "Plan B" sounds also good too!

At the end, as a premium user, I'm paying a lot (incl. taxes)  to have that private space, I don't want those intruders in my home. I wouldn't care that much, if I would still have my skybox above there, but two weeks ago I started decorating with all of my lifeblood, I do love my home, I don't want to go back in the air.

[Problem with Bots on my Parcel]

Yes I already did that  and will handle the list with the names to the lab. 

It's not only annoying for me, it will annoy every person who will claim that place after me in future -  so this clearly has to stop.

Thanks for the reply, searching for that german post now 😀

[Problem with Bots on my Parcel]

Hi,

 

I do live on my parcel in Bellisseria since mid of April. I don't wanna change my place atm, even if it is not my "dream place" but I want to wait a few months until the great rumors are gone and maybe we can change parcels without constantly clicking on "refresh".

Two months ago I did recognice a strange traffic in my kitchen. It was one same avatar popping up in the kitchen every day. Had a strange name and a blank profile, 3 months old, did not say "Hello" or anything to me, just popping up in my kitchen everyday, staying there for less then a minute, then teleporting away.  Because I'm a very easily scared person and every time this avatar was popping up beside me I nearly got heart attack, I did ban that avatar.

But that did not help me.

Next day, another avi, same age, same blank profile, another weird name, was popping up in exactly the same place in my kitchen. And then another avi, all the same features and age in their profile. All there for less than a minute, then porting away. I banned them too.

It did not end. It seems that the person who is running their bots or land-bots has got a loooooot of those accounts, because everytime I banned, even more new of those accounts popped up. I placed a visitor counter in the kitchen to get their names to put them on the banlist.

At the end I was that stressed, that I blocked the teleports to my parcel, so now they are landing BESIDE my home.  But the bad thing is: Me and my friends/alts also do land beside my home. I don't want that. At the end this parcel is useless for me and all the others who eventually will claim that place after me, because of this stupid bot traffic on that place.

I hope to get rid of that parcel in future, just wanted to inform, what is going on and... Still I asking myself what sense does make a land bot on linden home places? What are they searching for?

Excuse my bad english please! Best regards

Uni