Scylla Rhiadra

May 10

10 minutes ago, Sadvhi said:

It is most unfortunate, but if the creators of adult bodies aren't on board, people who engage in activities which are against the TOS will simply change their profile to say they are 18, make their shape a little taller, and switch to wearing a petite adult avatar to appear "barely legal".

6 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

They've always done this.

As Rowan says, this is standard procedure for teen-oriented a*eplay. There are some pretty popular places swarming with "teen" girls doing this in fact.

And it has nothing to do with petite add-ons. Some of them are wearing Reborn or even Kupra.

May 10

6 hours ago, BerrySinclair said:

Hello,

I'm very new to selling my pictures and I would like to know if there are any rights I should know of? I just show them in my gallery by now.

I appreciate every hint I can get from you.

Hi Berry. Sell them where? Within SL or in RL?.

Oh. And do you mean SL derived images, or RL ones?

May 10

2 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

I mentioned it way way back in one of those other threads. Velour is one of the most used body skins AFAIK. If they were to add a ToS compliant option to their current skin lines as a system skin (not tattoo layer), they could probably make a killing. Making one for the 13-17 crowd, with a bit less definition overall? If I were Velour, I'd be getting one out ASAP

I think this likely will happen, but it does leave unresolved the issue of genital definition on the actual mesh of bodies like Maitreya and Reborn.

That said, LL has not that i know of yet identified this as a problem. Nor have they required that nipples be removed from mesh: they just need to be covered.

So maybe this is a non-issue, and represents a more literal and stringent application of the spirit of the rules than LL itself intends?

May 10

7 hours ago, Dorientje Woller said:

If it's needed for Maitreya, then it should be needed for all adult female body creators/brands. No exclusion, no buts. But then be proud of yourself that SL will turn into a virtual wasteland.

There is absolutely zero chance that standard adult mesh bodies for women OR men are going to be de-sexified because of this.

Why on earth would you think so? That makes absolutely no sense at all.

May 10

1 hour ago, Vivienne Schell said:

Creep show.

Really unnecessary, Vivienne.

May 10

2 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Plus, do we really need art in SL of Romulus and Remus sucking at their wolf-mom's teat?

Possibly nawt!

And it's been done!

https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/Ancient-art-Relief-of-Lupa-nursing-Romulus-and-Remus/4074777

May 10

4 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said:

But it could mean Scylla can't make that art now in Second Life.

Hah.

While I in fact have produced images that are thematically related to all of this -- one on RL child sexual abuse, and another very explicitly on a*eplay in SL -- neither employed nudity or explicit visual sexual imagery.

I can't imagine a context in which I'd require a naked child avi, in or out of a sexual context, for an image, so fortunately I'm pretty sure none of this will be restricting my creative freedom.

Putti are cute, but not really my style!

May 10

9 minutes ago, Aethelwine said:

Full on bikinis required

It had occurred to me that the famous statue of the Capitoline Wolf, which shows a she-wolf suckling the infants Romulus and Remus should now be completely banned in SL: it shows two naked infants with full frontal genitals, and no less than eight wolf teats!

Although I suppose some enterprising content creator could bake in some modestly layers?

I am actually assuming (hopeful thing that I am) that no AR against a Renaissance painting featuring naked putti is going to be taken seriously?

May 10

5 hours ago, BriannaLovey said:

The normies who don't like young-looking avatars will stay on SL

And this kind of thing is an example of why I hate this word.

It should be possible to discuss all of this without boxing people up into obnoxious and condescending categories that posit some kind of stupidly mythical "culture war."

May 10

3 minutes ago, Alwin Alcott said:

isn't this the answer?

[14:35] Keira Linden: The other concern in regards to the modesty layer is how it will impact existing content. To be clear, we are requiring skin sellers to have the areas shown in the images use a modesty layer on the skin files. However, for existing content, bake layers and alphas can be a viable temporary solution but we would STRONGLY encourage everyone to move to a more permanent solution.

I may be misunderstanding Miss Sweet's question, but I don't think she's asking about using alphas to hide naughty bits. She's asking if it's ok to use alphas as one normally does, to ensure that the body is properly hidden beneath mesh clothes, even when that obscures and hides the baked-in undies on the skin.

May 10

Just now, Coffee Pancake said:

Don't ask questions you don't want the answer to .. Scylla !!

I actually knew a feral dog here a long time ago. He was a forumite, and a really sweet man. I met up with him a few times in-world.

And I never even thought to look!!!

May 10

1 minute ago, Alwin Alcott said:

i thought violence was already classified as Adult?... if so the answer is clear. Extreme Violence on M is in that case simply not allowed.

Yes, it is. That's the point. There was at least one child avatar at the meeting who was upset that being banned from Adult regions meant no longer being able to join in combat RP. They wanted the rules for Moderate regions changed so that "extreme violence" -- and combat RP -- was permissible there.

It's not going to happen. It was just a really stupid ask, which is why I commented on it.

May 10

5 minutes ago, Leslie Trihey said:

Can't speak for the rebirth body but it someone zooms in close enough on the crotch of the Maitreya body to see camel toe they are straight up perving you at that point imo. Like you -really- have to zoom in to see it.

Very true. And, again, there is an add-on that smooths it. Although that, I suppose, is "removable." (As is, in fact, pretty much EVERYTHING in SL, except for the default system avi.)

May 10

1 minute ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

If I remember right there's a "owns a farm" start available.

I could totally do that!!!!!

I DO have an open world space exploration game I got two Xmases ago that I've never really played. Not No Man's Sky or Starfield; it's sort of quirky and funny, with tiny little planets. Outer Wilds I think? I could try that, I suppose.

May 10

9 hours ago, Polenth Yue said:

a child version shouldn't need a modesty patch.

I'm really not up on my furry avatars, so I don't know . . . I know that anthropomorphic furries have attachments and such, and can be VERY "Adult" indeed -- but how prominent are the genitals on most feral furries?

Do we need to put little baked-in "X"s on all those kitty butts?

(I'm sure you're fine as long as you don't wave those spores around too prominently.)

May 10

2 minutes ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

Have you tried...

Skyrim ?

Hhahaha

I'd have to kick my partner off his computer, as I don't have it!

I'm sure I can make it worth his while if I feel so inclined though.

May 10

1 minute ago, Dafadilia Wayfarer said:

I have diagnosed OCD so when I start reading something, sometimes I feel strongly compelled to finish it.

I don't have OCD, but can relate to this.

Also, movies. Even really bad ones. Occasionally one is so horrific that I am compelled to turn if off (there's one scene in Trainspotting that stopped me cold: excellent movie though it is, I couldn't watch further, and have never finished it, and likely never will).

3 minutes ago, Dafadilia Wayfarer said:

Now that I spaced myself from it, I just cannot bring myself to become heavily invested in reading through the new threads that cropped up. I tried.

At this point, the wheels are turning and there's not much more here to be said anyway -- until the newest iteration of the rules and/or FAQ drop, which won't be immediate. I think it's safe to take a holiday!

Me, I'm trying to think of "adult" things (but not "Adult" things!) that I can do as a sort of remedy!

May 10

1 hour ago, Istelathis said:

/me shivers

I am going to leave this one in the hands of LL, they have my sympathy.

Aaand.. I'm staying away from cornfields for the foreseeable future.

Hey! I think one of those kids was at the User Group meeting!

May 10

14 minutes ago, Madi Melodious said:

How long is temporary? A month, six months, two years? By the time that rolls around the one who thought up the policy or is a proponent of it might have been shown the door. I'm optimistic that it will turn out this way. Besides, most of us have figure out how to meet the new requirements even with old bodies.

12 minutes ago, Sydelle Zanzibar said:

I honestly thought she meant till the June deadline, but then it sounded like it might depend on how much content creators put out there. We can't all buy new skins that aren't yet for sale, so I think its them just trying to be reasonable.

8 minutes ago, Madi Melodious said:

That is actually more reasonable. As more skins and bodies come online or meet the new requirements, I really doubt there will be to much push back on this topic. Let's be honest, how are they going to enforce this? Go around to every child avatar and ask them to remove their pants for modesty inspection?

I thought it was telling that Keira didn't repeat in a dogmatic way "the end of June," but rather spoke much more vaguely about a deadline for this. My guess is they are rethinking the original deadline. It's even possible they may be reconsidering the original policy.

May 10

1 hour ago, Ayashe Ninetails said:

That's putting it mildly as @Scylla Rhiadra very much knows what I'm talking about here, but I do not want to get into that. I hauled my butt RIGHT out.

If they allow that kind of violence on Mature, I'd be absolutely horrified.

52 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

The most horrible thing I ever saw in Second Life was violence-related, so hope that kind of thing doesn't expand as a result of these changes.

That's not going to happen.

And rest assured, if anyone tried . . . well, if you think the kids were "noisy," you ain't heard me yet.

May 10

2 minutes ago, Madi Melodious said:

I thought he was awesome. It's kind of sad when the kids have to be the adults in the room.

Your were great too Madi! Thank you both also for your invaluable contributions here!

May 10

1 hour ago, Qie Niangao said:

It sure seems they still don't understand how deeply silly that is. If there's some other reasoning behind it, some AI enforcement trick they think it facilitates or something, they can either tell us what the heck they're doing, or appear to be completely out to lunch.

58 minutes ago, CaerolleClaudel said:

Due diligence? Plausible deniability?

Probably both of those things. And I think they want "naked" children's skins off the MP, preferably replaced with one "modest" ones they can point too should the need ever arise.

May 10

3 minutes ago, brodiac90 said:

The chat was going crazy.

There were one or two really and truly rude and obnoxious people there that forced me briefly to reconsider my feelings about violence and children . . .

YOU on the other hand were brilliant. You were well informed, not pushy or overly noisy, and in general a voice of reason. So thank you from ALL of us for that.

May 10

11 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said:

This is adult content according to the ratings.

Getting run though and cut in half ARE graphic and violent.

I wouldn't consider that "extreme" or "graphic," nor I suspect would Governance.

And it's a lousy justification for opening the floodgates on Moderate to not merely combat RP, but also snuff, Dolcett, torture RP, etc.

May 10

I have never seen so many really angry kids altogether at once, in one place.

It's like someone forgot to order the ice cream and balloons.

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