[Great Inventory Cleanout! Join me?]

2 hours ago, Nalytha said:

I am generally pretty good at keeping my inventory clean, but I did get a bit lazy these last couple of months. This thread inspired me to clean things up and prepare for the new year. Here's a couple of screenshots of my personal organization tactics. 
 

thank you so much for posting your screen shots. it gives the rest of us hope. you have done an amazing job of organizing your inventory.  now that's a service SL needs.    i wish we could have a 'guest' login to our account approved by LL for a short period of time. i'd hire someone full time to manage mine. as long as they could only access the inventory and not im's or contact lists

[Should commercial ventures and estates in SL be allowed to discriminate?]

Just now, BilliJo Aldrin said:

Suppose someone opened a restaurant, and posted a sign that said... "no blacks allowed".

Someone else opens a restaurant next door that says "everyone welcome"

If everything else was the same, (quality of service, price, etc) which restaurant will thrive and which one will close?

fairly sure that if you went to the 'wrong' restaurant your family/community/coworkers/etc would have someone to say. we live in a social society.  no one wants to be outcast for 'doing what they feel is right'.  which is why people usually work with the government to chance these things.  think back to 1940.  how many blacks would have had the money to setup a private airline?  so if an airline put up the words "whites only".  does that mean only white people would be able to take airplanes to travel? someone who is black COULD setup an airline.  what is the chances of that person being able to secure the financing/approvals in, say Montana. it is much easier to say that the market will correct itself than to have it in real life.  there are still places that do not welcome people of color, even if the government has said they must allow them in.  just because you allow someone in, doesn't mean you are nice or welcoming in any way.

 

but anyway, i'll stop commenting now so it's not a BillieJo and Lost thread LOL. others may want to comment on things.

take care BillieJo, and happy new year.

[Should commercial ventures and estates in SL be allowed to discriminate?]

3 minutes ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

So there's no misunderstanding, my statement included the situation of posting the words "Whites Only" or "Blacks Only" on a private business establishment, either in SL or RL.

The marketplace should decide if a business that restricts its customer base should thrive or fail.

 

 

in a perfect world yes a market place would decide.  unfortunately from history, we know that it is not true. marketplaces/finances are usually controlled by one group or another. that group usually has a privileged position in society.  that also normally leverages it's privileged position to control the access to opening new locations.  in real life, the people that could put up the 'whites only' or 'blacks only' signs in a town, may also control many other functions in that town.  permit control, inspections, etc. 

if the market places could control equal access, then governments around the world would not have had to get involved in giving people equal access to basic human rights and dignities. 

make no mistake, i realize fully well that people don't change their nature just because they are in SL and not in real life. People that would discriminate against others in real life will definitely discriminate against others in Second Life.  Our behavior doesn't change just because we are in a virtual world.

I really do wish that you are right and that a market could dictate which businesses survive. Unfortunately, humans don't really have a history of doing the right thing. Marketplaces reflect upon our society as a whole.

 

 

[Should commercial ventures and estates in SL be allowed to discriminate?]

2 hours ago, Alwin Alcott said:

and i think that is very wise.

Many restricted areas would disappear when they would be forced to open for all.

For example... i would never put one foot again in S****rkz, Wh****ck G*C and more again if women were allowed.... And still it are, more or less, public places

 

[EDIT} i have NOTHING against women!!!!!.. don't take that line wrong please....lol

 

*hands Alwin a stab proof vest*  "we may not agree on a lot but ...if you need a place to hide for a couple of days, i can setup a safe house someone in a less traveled area of the SL world for you". 

[Should commercial ventures and estates in SL be allowed to discriminate?]

2 hours ago, Nalytha said:

I agree... it's like dress code enforcement, not so much discrimination. Because you can be anyone you want in Second Life. Should furries band together and make a lawsuit against everyone who hangs a 'no furries' sign on their door? 

i think there should be a differentiation of what is legal and what is moral.

 

legally there are certain things you cannot discriminate on.  women, skin color, etc.  furries are not a protected group.

Morally  - what is legal may not be moral. for example , legally you may be able to discriminate against furries but would that be morally right. well , that would depend on your own morals.  some people justify it by saying it's just a character, others may realize there is an actual human being that you are discriminating against behind the screen.

 

good thing is that in SL, even if a group is discriminated against, there are always places they can go to where they are totally welcomed.  everyone can find a place where they are treated with respect and welcomed :).

 

[Should commercial ventures and estates in SL be allowed to discriminate?]

2 hours ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

yes one should be able to totally discriminate based on any criterion they choose in deciding who they will allow on their property as customers.

I'm gonna get royally roasted for saying this but I think business owners should have that same right in real life too.

the reply below is not directed AT you billijo, but at people that like to discriminate:

 

absolutely they should be allowed to discriminate. i mean who wants blacks, Chineses, Woman or any other group they don't like on their property.  i'm with you.  all those women marching in the streets were silly for wanting the right to be treated equally were silly. same with those black people in the US wanting to sit anywhere on the bus or use the same restrooms.  seriously anyone should be allowed to discriminate based on anything they want to.  because we all know that human beings are fair and considerate creatures that will care about others.  *end sarcasm*   <- put here as some people MAY miss it.

 

businesses in SL that discriminate may be able to do it for a long time as people treat it like a 'game' or a 'sim'. but business owners should be aware that they can actually be sued in California courts for discrimination and could cost them tens of thousands of real life dollars to fight it. not sure why they would want to take the risk.  might be easier to just write, "we welcome everyone but most of our customers are "XXXX"".

 

if you are not sure if a business policy is wrong, try substitute the words "black only" or "white only"  and see if it still sounds right.  an easy way to figure things out.

 

as you may tell, i may have strong feelings about people discriminating.  your feelings may differ. you may be fine with people discriminating on others.  until you face it yourself.  I respect everyone's choice to care about only themselves but personal i prefer my world and my SL to be a bit more inclusive. 

 

[Age limits]

6 hours ago, Alwin Alcott said:

It's not about not helping new members, but there are special regions for that. Problem is more that new members run to adult sims even before they know how to put shoes on... they don't want help, they want sex... and so soon as possible.

And.. keep 500 out .. it's perhaps a bit harsh,  but ever had a flock of griefers entering your sim?.... you really don't miss that 500 if you'r under such attacks.

Also the word "discrimination" ... come on...

 

honestly that is what it is ...here is the definition:

"treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit: "

i did mention in my comment that sim owners pay for their sims and can discriminate based on avatar age as it's not a human rights protected area in most countries.  simply calling it what it is as per it's definition. 

this is just a general comment but i do find it interested that people that are ok with the act of discriminating against others (not saying you Alwin) usually find it hard to have it called discrimination.  i'm sure there are much other words that people use to make it sound better. 

 

in the end, every person in SL is allowed to run their sim as they want.  some will discriminate against furies, babies , newer avatars or many other groups.  as long as they don't discriminate based on sex, race or other protected grounds, i may not like it but it's not my sim so not my choice to make.  the people being discriminated against can always find many other sims to go to where they feel more welcomed. 

 

one interesting thing to note for myself, a lot of the sims that i had gone to when i first started that had these rules.  i ended up putting them on a blacklist for myself.  have actually never gone back.  as someone that gets regularly discriminated against daily in real life, i refuse to normally frequent businesses that discriminate.  i've found that mentality carries into SL for me.  it's interesting as i never realized i was doing it subconsciously until this topic here.  it's interesting what you learn about yourself when reading forum topics and thinking about your own replies.

[Age limits]

6 hours ago, Alwin Alcott said:

It's not about not helping new members, but there are special regions for that. Problem is more that new members run to adult sims even before they know how to put shoes on... they don't want help, they want sex... and so soon as possible.

And.. keep 500 out .. it's perhaps a bit harsh,  but ever had a flock of griefers entering your sim?.... you really don't miss that 500 if you'r under such attacks.

Also the word "discrimination" ... come on...

I vote we put all new AFK sex places RIGHT by the exit of the newbi rez zones.  that way they can have their Slex and don't even have to look for sims for it.  that way once they are done and all Slex'd out, they can go into SL properly.   *starts passing out a hat so they can collect lindens to purchase properties around starting areas. wonders if some of the male/female/furry/vampy avatars would mind going afk in those places....as a 'social service'*.

[Age limits]

6 hours ago, Syo Emerald said:

Have those new accounts done anything bad to you...or do you just feel they aren't worthy to visit your place?

Syo, when i first started in SL i used to hate the "no avatars under 30 days " rule so many sims had.  i can't imagine doing that to others either. i know an annoying person could use it to mess around but honestly keeping 500 people out to deal with 1 bad person is what really made me mad back then.   i still don't like when people discriminate against new people rather than helping them.  i always try to help new people as SL has a huge learning curve and i want people to stay...not leave due to things that make their new SL harder.

 

but, i guess everyone is welcome to make whatever rules they want in their sims.  they pay the bills so they can decide who comes onto their land.

[Natural AO]

Candice, that looks amazing. i love the look of the character and the way the AO looks is great.  a friend was looking for something similar so i'll pass her the info you posted. 

i'm hoping the frosty breath is an add on that is not part of the ao.  i live in the cold as it is so never want to see frosty breath LOL.

 

On 12/24/2017 at 10:55 PM, Candice LittleBoots said:

I've spent thousands on 'stand' AO's over the years and am still not truly satisfied with what's on offer. The same goes for dances too; I wish there were more dances where you don't look like a pro-dancer performing on stage, more like stood at the side feeling the vibe without moving your feet is the style I always seek.

Back to stands. I like what Body Language offer, it is a breath of fresh air. LM: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Bon Voyage/95/131/1253

During Black Friday everything at Body Language was offered at 50% off. I filled my little boots 

Here's one of my favourites, although it doesn't complete it's cycle in the GIF time allowed, this is pretty much it. .. 

 

 

[What makes for a great Host(ess) ?]

I really wish i could copy this entire thread onto a notecard and pass them to the horrible hosts i see each day out in SL.  there are so many great points in that need to be sent to whatever group all the hosts belong to.

[Solved]

and sorry, forgot to add

 

DEMO FIRST!!!

do not buy anything that does not have a demo.

 

demo, demo and demo some more

but take a screenshot of what you had on your char before doing demos

 

so critical

also, if after the demo it messes up your skin, don't panic. simply use the redelivery terminal at your body and head store to send yourself new boxed copies of both and replace the ones you are wearing, that fixes 90% of issues.

 

[Solved]

4 minutes ago, Iridas said:

hey. ty for the answers.

 

At first my avi:

I use the Catwa Daniel bento head.

For the body I use Signature Gianni or Slink mesh.

The price isn't important. I want that at any cost

 

What it should be in the end Mhm.. Something between a human albino and a Vampire. If you may know the Albino skin for females AII did? This goes into the right direction.

I guess Beautiful creepy describes it best.

 

Sorry I totally forgot to tell you about my avatars parts

no worries at all.

 

please check nivaro. I know they used to have a high res vampire albino type skin that you could get in different shades and it worked great for the signature body and Daniel head.  the signature body has omega built in and the danel head you can get an applier for it for catwa from nivaro but it also has omega.

 

get the demo and try it out then let us know if you need more help or if worked for you.

 

http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/DLicious/100/236/21

 

you can also check the marketplace for them for skins like

https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/NIVARO-Caspar-Skin-Light-Tone/7249663

 

or

https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/NIVARO-Griffin-Skin-01-Vamp-Tone/8672335

 

try this search if the above don't work and let us know if you still need help after the search

 

https://marketplace.secondlife.com/products/search?utf8=✓&search[layout]=gallery&search[category_id]=&search[sort]=&search[per_page]=12&search[keywords]=nivaro+skin&search[price_low]=1001&search[price_high]=5000&search[prim_count_low]=&search[prim_count_high]=&search[copy_permission]=0&search[modify_permission]=0&search[transfer_permission]=0

 

good luck

 

 

[Solved]

48 minutes ago, norajulian said:

Are you in a mesh avatar - head/body? It will be easier to send suggestions if we know what the canvas is that we’re painting.

Iridas, as Norajulian advised, if you give some more info, people may be able to give better suggestions.

 

please advise if you are using a system avatar or mesh

 

for mesh things that might be helpful are:

• will this be a human char or a fantasy char like vampire/elf/fae/etc
• what kind of body :name and manufacturer as not all will be compatible for the skins available
• what kind of face :name and manufacturer as not all will be compatible for the skins available
• is there a particular type of look you are going for?  for example as a monster, as a noble person, etc
• what price range are you looking to spend as skin prices can vary from 50 to unlimited. so if you let us know your budget, people can give you some places you may want to check
• anything else you can think of that might help as more info is always better to have when assisting someone. saves sending them to 15 different stores when 2 would have worked.

 

please note I listed face and boy separate as some faces do not mesh with some bodies so the skin might work on one but not both

[Nerd's Paradise, a place for nerdy/geeky people to enjoy what they love, games and more]

Oh wow, this looks really cool.

 

i'll have to check it out

[Age verified, Female verified, what do they mean?]

21 hours ago, anna2358 said:

How the f..k do you play Angry Birds on that?

 

ya don't.  and also, it was so hard to hit on girls when we were young.

if you wanted to text Hello, it was 44 33 555 555 666  to type hello

so it was easier to type boobs as you could use the number keys alone for that.

it's why we had to actually talk to make dates instead of this swiping stuff for booty calls.

phesh, kids have it so easy now.

LOL  *grabs his walker and goes to make a call*

 

[Natural AO]

1 minute ago, Bingo Ditko said:

You are right.  They are so macho!  I saw a man with a great calm stand the other day. I should have asked him about it!

You need to hunt that man down and find out. consider it a community service LOL

 

normally i don't want to encourage stalking but in this one case *whispers* "it'll be our little secret"

 

[Natural AO]

1 hour ago, janetosilio said:

I guess I’ll take a crack at it.

Kuso makes really good animations for a reasonable price. 600-650 for a whole hud. They also sell individuals if you’re into making your own hud.

Voir is also cheap  and very good and has an ao called “almost still” and that’ll run you about 350 on mp. I’m not sure if they have a store where you can try them out though. 

the voir store is here in SL

http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Noguchi/172/68/59

 

they have a new "almost still" mens bento ao that has different animations for flying, walking, etc.  it looks neat. for $350, the price is not bad. considering it's for bento.  will have to check Kuso as well.

[Natural AO]

41 minutes ago, AnnistynSL said:

I can understand why people buy poses, but when they buy an AO for just standing, I really don't understand. 

Funniest things about AO's are those guys who walk really tough. Can't find a gif to show it to you, but I know everybody seen  one. It's funny.... and looks stupid.

it looks so weird right?  like they are trying to pick a fight with someone.  kind of makes me thing that avatar should be wearing this tshirt to complete the image

 

[Natural AO]

3 minutes ago, Bingo Ditko said:

hahahaha!!  YES

Some of the ones with a lot of movements look really cool and all, but I just want to be a lot more subtle... a lot more like real life.

i'm so with you there.   i tried some of the mens ones and it was so weird.  they all look like they drank a bit too much steroid juice.  they all look like they are compensating for something. kind look like they are made for men that need to touch themselves every few minutes to confirm they are still men.  i keep getting the feeling they are made for little boys who think men just grab themselves all the time.  grr.

 

i would love to see a male AO that was reasonable and not overly macho.  just a simple one.

 

 

[Natural AO]

i would like to know the answer to this one as well. most of the AO's i see when they are standing around do either the porn star pouty walk around or the "i've really got to pee but can't find a bathroom"  sugared up moving in place.  LOL

 

would love to gift an AO to someone who's avatar runs me off buildings and pathways with their aggressive moves.

[Age verified, Female verified, what do they mean?]

1 hour ago, Rhonda Huntress said:

1. Childhood toy: Easy bake oven.
2. Drink: Scotch on the rocks with a lime twist.
3. Happy to talk about feelings???: Yeah, this is an odd question.  I am happy to talk about happy feelings.  Not happy to talk about not happy feelings.
4. Sunday afternoon movie: None of those movies are rewatch worthy.  I'll go with The Princess Bride ... or Eric the Viking . 
5. Childhood phone: None of those phones existed when I was a kid. There were two phones and they were both the same.  I preferred the beige one.
6. Cartoon character: Daffy Duck!
7. Breakfast: Breakfast is coffee.  Nothing else with it.  Nothing else can substitute. Coffee.
8. Time to get ready: I take 38 minutes on an average day between getting out of bed and walking out the door.
9. TV show I should be in: Big Bang Theory as Penny's Mom.
10. Life quote: "No matter where you go, there you are."

 

 

1. Childhood toy: GI Joes  (don't judge me!)
2. Drink: Red wine mixed with a light beer (don't judge me! A bartender made it for me one time. i blame him.)
3. Happy to talk about feelings???: I"m happy to talk about YOU feelings.  i reserve the right to tune out mentally half way through and run the "princes bride"  move in my head if all you do is complain about your last 5 romances and they all happen to be the same type of person.  i also reserve the right to judge you, harshly this one time.
4. Sunday afternoon movie: he Princess Bride ... or The holiday
5. Childhood phone: Beige square one. ugly as heck but you couldn't kill that beast.  but i missed our old rotary phone. Most loved phone = grey motorola flip phone before the razers.
6. Cartoon character: GUMMI BEARS!
7. Breakfast: Cereal of course!
8. Time to get ready: being a man, it takes 4.5 minutes.  most of the time is spent looking for things.
9. TV show I should be in: Big Bang Theory!  as a visiting nerd at some comic con.
10. Life quote: "Not all who wander are lost"

hehe, that quiz is really good for the ego. i didn't think it was going to guess mental age. isn't every man stuck at this age?  i suppose next time i'll have to take it after i'm fully awake

You got: Man in his early twenties

We think you're a man who is just starting to really find his groove in life, and probably really enjoying it too. You most likely live with a couple of mates, although still visit home when you can. At weekends you're quite often out with friends and generally keeping busy, although occasionally you do need a break and a good session in front of the TV on the sofa.

 

my favorite phone ever!.  you could play catch with it if you forgot the football ran it over with my car, twice by accident.  dropped out of sun roof 3 times (don't ask).  never died until the day it got retired

 

[What are you doing today!? :D]

at the opening of the Virtual Black history Museum

http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Herald/18/175/122

 

wonderful opening evening. sim is full. an amazing singer.   is there as well.

[How much do you care about the RL idenities behind SL avatars?]

27 minutes ago, Lada Charlton said:

I found this really illuminating in this discussion. 

i've been online for many, many years in the online worlds and i've seen people shattered by how they are treated.  those were never really weak willed people (as others like to call them).  they were simple human beings that got caught up in someones words and started being vulnerable to that persons words.  a heart break in a online world is much worst than in a 'real world' because in the online world, the person may never see a picture of you or know what kind of conditions you live in or grew up in.  but they do know you at your very essence as they fall in love with your words.  with the idea of 'you' .  with your hopes, dreams, and everything else that you share. so it's a much greater betrayal for many people than someone not liking them for the way they look as our looks are given to us by the genetic lottery based on who we are born to.  but everything inside us, our thoughts, are purely chosen by us.

 

i always take care with people's emotions in the virtual worlds for that very reason.  picking up the pieces of a broken virtual hear is very, very difficult.

[How much do you care about the RL idenities behind SL avatars?]

8 hours ago, Bitsy Buccaneer said:

Thinking of the people you encounter as if they were NPCs in your personal game is still treating then badly, no matter how polite you are in doing so.

May I suggest a different mantra? Someone made a sign saying this: "The only real things in Second Life are our feelings, so please take care of each other."

Care about the person, not their skin colour or their biological gender or the shape of their avatar. Who we are isn't in the externals.

 

the bold part above is what people need to remember.  that NPC you meet is not really an NPC.  every interaction affects a human being behind a screen somewhere. the moment someone sees them as a character in a game and you are not in a RP area, then you are doing a disservice to them no matter how you treat them.

 

when we treat people like NPC's , it's easier for us to justify doing bad things to them or ignoring them.  it also means that you would simply be in Sl for your own personal pleasure rather than being in it to be part of a community.  in that case, i would recommend that anyone that wanted to do that should go play a RPG instead as its' what they are looking for.  in SL, a portion treat it as a game but many , many more, treat it as a community.  and those people, don't need to be played with.