[Seeking Midcentury/Modern and Industrial Furniture and Decor!!]

Check out Junk - I just found it on the MP today and they have some cute but industrial looking items - https://marketplace.secondlife.com/stores/77950

 

Oh and for midcentury: Soy - Main store, Soy (82, 224, 2505) - Moderate  

[Helped needed with catwa and maitreya]

On 12/18/2018 at 4:32 PM, Skell Dagger said:

To get your body and head to match you will need either -

• A Catwa head (skin) applier and a Slink body (skin) applier - both in the same skintone and from the same skin designer

or -

• An Omega head (skin) applier and Omega body (skin) applier AND
• The Omega System Relay for Catwa AND
• The Omega System Installer for Slink

The two Omega System relays/installers (which I'll shorten to 'Omega Catwa/Slink HUD' for the rest of this post) look like this:

Omega appliers aren't a brand in their own right. Instead, it's a cross-brand system that acts in one of two ways (detailed below) and works across most mesh body parts from most creator brands, as long as you have the corresponding Omega relay HUD for your body parts.

• Some Omega HUDs act as installers: wear them once, click them, and they install Omega compatibility into that body part. The Slink Omega HUD is an installer.
• Some act as relays: you need to wear them each time you want to add an Omega applier to your mesh body parts. The Catwa Omega HUD is a relay. It acts a bit like a 'remote controller' - communicating with the scripts in your Catwa head. If you're wearing it, and then click an Omega skin applier HUD, the Omega relay HUD will 'tell' the head which textures it needs to apply.

Let's say that you've found a great skin that you love. The head appliers state that they're for Lelutka (a head that you don't own) and Omega, and the body appliers are available only in Maitreya (a body that you don't own) and Omega. In order to wear that skin on your Catwa head and Slink body you would need to buy the Omega versions of the head and body (skin) appliers, and ensure that you have those two Omega HUDs shown above: the Slink Omega System Installer and the Catwa Omega System Relay HUD. Then:

1. Wear your Slink body and Catwa head.
2. Add the Slink Omega HUD and click it. That will install Omega compatibility into your Slink body. You can now detach the Slink Omega HUD (but hang onto it, as you'll need to reinstall it if there are any updates to the body, or if you make a copy of it at any time).
3. Add your Omega body (skin) applier and click it to apply the tone that you want. When you're done, detach the body applier.
4. Add your Omega Catwa relay HUD. Keep it on your screen while you follow step 5.
5. Add your Omega head (skin) applier and click it to apply the tone (and any other options that it gives you, such as freckles/brows, etc)  that you want. When you're done, detach the Omega head applier and the Omega Catwa relay HUD.

You're all done Any further questions, come back and post again and we'll do our best to answer them.

I found this explanation on another thread by Skell very clear and helpful in figuring out how Omega works.   Otherwise, if you're looking for other skins - look for their head and body appliers for Maitreya as mentioned in previous posts. 

[Skin vs Mesh Skin?]

9 hours ago, Chase01 said:

Initially, it does but you'll find that once you get the basics down it's relatively straightforward. I NEVER EVER want to go back to a time when we couldn't demo clothing. 😁

Hah good point.  I spent a couple of hours trying on demos I'd been queuing up from the marketplace.  Realized a store I thought would be super cute turned out to be kinda meh.  So +1 for demos :p.

Now if I can only figure out why shoes that say they're for the maitreya body attach on about half a foot in front of my feet!!

[Looking for undershirts/camisoles for Maitreya body]

Not sure what your style is but Addams and Bowtique have some items that are a bit less boobs-out-there.

[Skin vs Mesh Skin?]

On 5/5/2019 at 3:12 AM, Skell Dagger said:

always use the 'add' option when wearing anything from inventory, never the 'wear' option. Many mesh items - from bodies and heads to clothing - make use of the same attachment points (the left hand is very popular as a default). Using 'add' (even on system layers such as alphas) allows you to wear multiples of the same thing on the same point.

 

On 5/5/2019 at 3:40 AM, Sasy Scarborough said:

Alphas as in system layers do not have a wear point, they are just alpha layers, you may be confusing the fact that wearing one will remove the other, that is the best use for ADD, you can stack as many as needed

Thanks for this useful tip!  

As an aside, I feel like the general trepidation/misconception of mesh bodies isn't just about the bodies themselves, but about the changes to how SL is used from back in the olden days.  I realize this is obvious to those who have been inworld for recent years as mesh bodies became a thing, but as an oldie, I didn't realize until actually playing with the bodies that really it's just based off of your base avatar shape.  It makes body joints(?) smoother (and more often than not, the rear-end bigger).  I think part of the trepidation for folks who have been on a break from SL and are just now coming back, is that the way you navigate the system feels more complex than it used to be.  Now it feels VERY HUD-heavy and instead of being able to universally use clothing, you have to demo everything before buying it.  Kind of feels like a "how many clicks to get to the outfit you want" sort of thing.  Of course, this increases the power of customization so there is that benefit.

On 5/3/2019 at 8:14 AM, Conifer Dada said:

I joined in 2006 and still have a system avatar and am happy that way.  Although mesh does offer better detailing, with a good skin and sensible shape system avatars can still look good.  System clothing is still good for tight-fitting items though obviously mesh is better for loose or baggy items. 

That said, I totally get where Conifer's coming from .  My system body was not far off from my mesh body, even with the smoother curves added.  AND my clothing options are significantly greater - not only because of the amount of time I put into getting those outfits, but because I agree about the "baggy" items.  System clothes obviously fit a bit tighter because well...they're pretty much drawn on the body itself.  An outfit I just got last night for my mesh body looked a little like I had wrapped foam around my body.  Still a great dress, but would have been better if it'd been "thinner", or closer to the body.  (And yes, I did demo it, so I was aware of the effect).  

Anyway, so I don't go too far off topic.  For any other folks using this thread as a way to learn about skins/mesh bodies, thus far I've learned the following that I don't think was mentioned before (or maybe it was and I didn't understand it EDIT: Skell definitely mentioned it...and now I'm repeating it 😛)

If you have a Mesh Head, you don't actually need to buy a new system skin or system/classic skin applier.  Mesh heads seem to come with their own set of skins and body appliers.  So as long as your Mesh Head company has a body applier for your mesh body, it can ensure that your mesh body has the same tone of skin as your head.  This extrapolates to what I have been taught which (I believe) is if you want to find a different brand of skin for your whole mesh head/body, then you need to find the applier for your body and your head for that particular skin.

Following combos (Brand names used as examples...but also because that's what I used):

• System Head
• System Body
• LAQ Classic Skin
• Need: No appliers.
• Clothing: Look for clothing that says it's for classic/system AVs

• System Head
• Maitreya Mesh Body
• LAQ Classic Skin
• Need: LAQ Applier for Maitreya Body (gives LAQ tones for Maitreya body)
• Clothing: Look for mesh clothing that says it's for Maitreya. System clothing will not work though prim attachments should.

• LOGO Mesh Head (comes with 6 diff tones of skin in customization installer/hud)
• Maitreya Mesh Body
• No System Skin Needed
• Need: LOGO Applier for Maitreya Body (matches your body's tone with your face's tone)
• Clothing: Look for mesh clothing that says it's for Maitreya.  System clothing will not work though prim attachments should.

Tune in for more adventures :p.

[Skin vs Mesh Skin?]

We're currently working on heads and bodies - and I noticed that Logo heads use the same wear point for their head alpha as Maitreya does for their body alpha - so they can't overlap...any suggestions as to what we can do to remedy that?

EDIT:

Sorry - as expected some stores have full body alphas which is what was needed.  Logo is not one of them (not in their head section anyway)

LAQ's full body alpha doesn't alpha the eyes...Catwa's does!

[Skin vs Mesh Skin?]

8 hours ago, Roxy Couturier said:

I thought I'd throw in two cents here.

Lumae Skins includes system skins as well as appliers. Right now she's re-branding, so all her older mesh era skins are on sale. Those older skins have some pretty thorough coverage for bodies and heads brand-wise. She also has a current group gift that's got the huds and system skins.

For example the head HUD includes appliers for Catwa, Lelutka, Genus, and Omega (plus more i cant recall atm). and the body has Maitreya, Bellaza, SLink and Omega appliers. The gift can help as it will apply readily to those bodies and heads without having to purchase an omega relay until you've made a decision on what you're going to buy. You can see the skin as it will look without 'demo' written all over it. And, while the gift skin has make-up already, her regular skins are bare, that is, no make-up, though she does have some special skins with make-up.

Ah very useful!  I had seen somewhere on the forums about Lumae having all of the major appliers available.  I think we should likely start there first as we run around checking out the demos.  Thanks for that tip!

And thanks again @Skell Dagger for the explanations!  It's making my searches on the marketplace make a bit more sense!

[Skin vs Mesh Skin?]

13 minutes ago, Skell Dagger said:

Most mesh heads come with a HUD that contains a set of default skins. Usually these match to body appliers from other stores. For example: the default head appliers in Catwa's (female) HUDs match to body appliers from The Skinnery. (There is also a free group gift HUD in the store containing more skins.) This is also the case with other brands, although I'm less familiar with those. Example: I think the default head appliers in Lelutka (female) heads match to Glam Affair body appliers (and I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong there!)

However, you're not limited to those default skins in mesh head HUDs, as there are hundreds of skin stores out there that create appliers. It's very important to take your time trying lots of demos, both heads and bodies in combination with skin appliers. Be aware, too, that there are different types of mesh head, from static ones that you can only change by stretching (and adding appliers) to Bento ones that you can customise not only by means of appliers but you can also use the system shape sliders to change them.

Hehe thanks for your CSR qualifier  .  I did wonder how all of the head appliers could account for the skin tones of all of the body appliers, and vice versa, and now I see that it's not universal, which logistically makes sense.  Has someone made a list of universally known pairings of head/body matches?

You mention Bento heads. I believe I would be more drawn to these to try to keep my custom look that I've had for these 13 years (if I decided to go mesh instead of stay with my system head).  Is Bento something that Catwa or other head appliers incorporate into their heads, or is Bento another company?  And on that same note, for heads that aren't Bento - is it essentially like buying that head shape, and not just the skin they're wearing?  So if I bought a (made up) Lelutka Jenny head, and my friend bought a Lelutka Jenny head as well, we'd have the same face, but potentially different skins via the Lelutka head HUD?

I'm sure I'll think of other tiny nuances to pick at your brain about....heh

[Skin vs Mesh Skin?]

1 hour ago, Skell Dagger said:

What you're looking at here are two different types of skin:

• System skins = what you're familiar with on your original avatar. These will only work on classic or system avatars that don't comprise an additional bunch of mesh body and head sections placed over the original avatar with alpha layers (the successor to invisiprims) hiding that original avatar. System skins are simply worn and they show immediately on your avatar.
• Applier skins = what you're calling 'mesh skins'. These will only work on mesh bodies and heads, and specifically only on the mesh bodies and heads that they are created for (with the exception of Omega appliers). I'll get into the whole 'applier thing' in more detail shortly. Applier skins come in HUDs that you have to wear, then click to apply the skin to your mesh body parts.

You mentioned that your friend ended up with a 'mesh starter avatar'. Linden Lab did release one set of all-mesh starter avatars several years ago, but these are no longer available during the sign-up process (although they can still be found if you dig through your inventory's Library folder, and may also be available through the Avatar toolbar button/floater). These avatars are all mesh, from head and body to clothing. The later avatars (including those currently available at signup) are system/classic avatars with the addition of mesh clothing.

Thanks so much for your minitutorial Skell - I've been reading through the forums all day and of course you're right - my friend got a classic avatar with mesh clothing.  It made sense therefore that the AIMI classic skins worked on her shape. 

Just a couple of questions:

• To continue wrapping my head around this, no pun intended.  If I buy a Catwa head - will I receive a Catwa head applier when I buy the head, or do I need to buy the head-applier separately?  Likewise with Omega appliers, is this available at some central Omega store, or will Catwa have an Omega applier I can buy somewhere in the store?
• And in one of the threads I was reading: 

The individuals were mentioning towards the end that LAQ was selling System Skins with Mesh Appliers.  I'm wondering if it's okay that I'm confused by this mashup or if it's another way to apply a skin to a mesh even though it's a system skin and not an applier skin.  

Thanks so much for the time put into your answers!

[Skin vs Mesh Skin?]

21 minutes ago, seanabrady said:

@janetosilio They actually have a collection of both. 

On the topic of system skins, I don't see many of the stores i look at offering them directly anymore. Most designers follow the money and the people that buy skins typically also have moved on to mesh bodies. That said Izzie's still has her system skins out and they are wonderful. I think Pink Fuel does as well. I think the better terminology would be System Skins and Applier Skins. Applier being anything that applies to a mesh body or body part.

I think what we had our friend do (because we're blind leading the blind) was adjust her shape (Edit Appearance) of her starter av and look for system skins that worked with that.  AIMI skins just weren't her jam.  The terminology you've presented is very helpful - thank you! 

[Does anyone here in Second Life still uses the classic avatar even after 4 years or more?]

2006 AV - Just got back into SL a few days ago after a few years off and I'm totally rockin my classic non-mesh av and still think I'm adorable in it, even with an old school Zaaya *Pipal* flexiprim dress heh.  I like the floof.  And am thankful that the skin that I got back in 2008 still looks great!

[Skin vs Mesh Skin?]

Hi all - 2006 account here, so I'm very much stuck in the classic AV with my old school skin.  I'm okay with this.  It's been a while since I've been in SL, but have been back in the last few days discovering Magika hair, and have also introduced a friend to SL.  Because classic avatars aren't a thing for newbies anymore, she ended up with a mesh starter avatar and in general we've been having a nightmare looking for skins.  

We first went to LAQ skins and tried a demo, but her skin didn't actually change.  Our best guess is there's some sort of mesh magic she wasn't invoking.  So we bought a skin to see if it had extra instructions or something called an omega applier, and that didn't change anything either.  These are what I'm deeming "Mesh Skins" and well...yeah.

Then I saw in a blog of someone giving instructions on adjusting mesh bodies, that the skin she was using was from AIMI.  We went last night and these made more sense to me and is what we're actually looking for.  

So firstly, can someone correct my terminology if I've messed it up since I feel like an old noob, and secondly, what are your top ranked skin shops (AIMI style NOT mesh style)?

Thanks so much!!

FWIW: The one thread I'm going to look at is and I'm hoping it's the system layer skins that they're selling...