Sayumi Tsunenaga

This land has now been sold. Community Forums listings do work. I was so happy that the land I had loved was able to bring happiness to the new owner.

I had failed to add the SLURL location link for this land - now done in the main post. No-one thought to comment, hee hee

Location: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Gingivere/211/60/68 (I completely forgot to add the location of the land - thanks to no-one for pointing that out, LOL) 2240 sq m for L$1500 - or make me an offer. I want to clear this land from my landholdings urgently. There is an additional 48 sq m adjoining which I will give to the purchaser if you want it. I did not include it in the parcel for sale as it would make an irregular sized parcel. Parcel description says: "Almost deserted sim/region in southern Satori, perfect for your peaceful countryside retreat. Buy this land for your group with the land allocation for you and your Premium alt, or on your own if your are Premium Plus."

One further point - once you have done all that, if you want to set the objects to the new group so that you can have non-resident objects returned in future, you can use World > Area Search > Filter tab and check Current Parcel Only to find all the objects on the parcel; the owner of the objects can then select all items they own at once and right-click > Edit, and set them to the new group. If the objects are owned by more than one group member, each group member does that in turn, for his/her objects only. You don't have to switch groups for each object one by one! The other thing is that if you are selling the land for L$0 from one group to the other, there is a short period of time when you can allow the land selling group to have no land allocated while you allocate all the land to the buying group... you will get a purple warning notice which you can ignore for as long as it takes to make the transaction. I don't know how long you actually have, but I have had land groups in deficit for 10 or 15 minutes while doing that switch, without any issues arising.

Hee hee, and then you go on to add a zillion fascinating expansions of some of the things I mentioned, @Prokofy Neva- wow, thank you SO much, all of that really brings it all to life, such as the Club Varnish and why it covers four regions, and all kinds of details about some of the furniture, Mole builds etc... I just love what the Moles do all over SL, but I didn't know about any library or Mole Mart (apart from, I did discover some sort of Mole outlet up in eastern Heterocera with just a few L$0 items available)... so any information or shares will be hugely appreciated! I am not Japanese myself, despite my name, but I guess I am rather a 'weeb' so I do love to explore the Japanese lands and builds. As a frequent traveller to Japan (until recent events have stopped that) I love the creative details the Japanese creators put into their builds, they are so faithful to the real thing that actually, exploring in SL can in a small way substitute for travels in Japan. Thank you for such a huge amount of details which follows your self-deprecating but wholly inaccurate "...can't add much..." 🥰

This is very good advice. I looked at a parcel on real Protected Water, but in fact it was not connected through to the main seas and oceans of SL, it was an isolated piece of water. This is rare, but it does happen. So part of checking the whole area would be to see where the Protected Water connects. @India NadeauLooking back at your original post, there are three more things that come to mind... like you, it was many years before I took the plunge of becoming Premium and buying my own land (I wish I had understood the benefits much earlier, by the time you get your L$300 per week stipend, Premium membership is actually fairly reasonably priced for what it is) but now I am so glad I did. So anyway, three more things, depending on what land you want... If you are not concerned to have land on water's edge, you can find huge swathes of abandoned land which Premium members can ask to buy, and the price is almost always L$1 per sq m. (I have never been asked to pay more or less than this, the only issue being that if the land you request is in a prime location, or if it has also been requested by another member, it will be sent to auction instead, which is a whole other story). Over the last 12 months especially I have bought numerous amounts of abandoned land, and re-sold at a fair price for my troubles. A lot of abandoned land is the grey rocky bleak variety, but there are also some lovely locations around, depending on what you like. (If you just want a place for a skybox, it barely matters what is below). To ask to buy abandoned land, you go into the Support area and create a ticket, and within a few days one of the Lindens will most likely have set the land for sale to you at L$1 per sq m. But it can be exciting to tour around the mainland looking for what abandoned land is available - and learn the layout of the mainland at the same time. Be aware of the land bonus which applies if you buy your land for a group you control, rather than as your individual avatar. I rushed out and bought a 1024 sq m parcel very quickly, as a single Premium member is entitled to 1024 sq m, but if you buy it for your group the land can be up to 1120 sq m (actually 1126.4 sq m, but since land comes in multiples of 16 sq m, 1120 is what you end up with). So for L$100 to create a group, with an alt as the other member (the alt does not have to be Premium) you can have the extra land and extra prims that go with it. If you want bigger land, but want to avoid paying extra tier fees, you can make your alt or alts Premium too, and each can contribute 1024 > 1120 sq m to the group, so you could own 2240 or 3360 sq m or whatever multiple you like - the alts also get the L$300 per week stipend, which you can even bank and eventually use Tilia to sell back as USD$ to Paypal to go towards next year's membership fees, if you want to. Or splurge without having to buy lindens 😀 Oh, you can also go the other way and buy two 560 sq m parcels, and have a little hideaway in the snowlands and one on a green field, for example! Almost all of the Mainland is connected now, through Bellisseria being created between Sansara and Satori, but if you want to sail be aware that you can't really sail from one end to the other. There are unpassable sections where the coast has never really been completed. You can sail between most of Sansara and Heterocera on the one hand, but that does not connect through to the remainder. You can sail from Jeogeot to southern Sansara and then through Bellisseria to southern Satori, but going further north is not really possible afaik. Then, you can sail from northern Satori and the (imho) overrated Blake Sea through Nautilus and numerous island regions to Corsica and Gaeta V. Gaeta I, the Sharp continent and Zindra are all completely cut off. But all of this only matters if water craft are very important to you, and even then, if you don't want to spend big for water land there are numerous sailing clubs and launch sites... look for LCC (Leeward Cruising Club) or GTFO (Get the Freight Out) logos on the map, you can usually launch at any of those.

Aha! So the problem is possibly more in my viewer settings? I generally keep my draw distance below 200, but I really should learn more about some of the other settings in the quick prefs... for example, I see that I have LOD on 4.0 (maximum)... hmmmm... Wow! Now there is a window I have never seen before, I have tried to find region statistics under World > Region details, and of course there's not much there! I think this is what I was hoping to find. Now I just have to work out what the important figures are and what they mean... I think this is different though. Thank you for such a comprehensive outline of this issue!

Just a few random thoughts from my own experience: If land next to the land you want to buy is labelled Protected, check that it is owned by some Linden group such as Linden Department of Public Works - occasionally a private group will label land or water channels as Protected, but they can just as easily sell it tomorrow and it can become anything! Be aware of the difference between General and Moderate lands and the rules for what you can do on them - I once bought some General land without realizing that you are not allowed to have ANY adult furniture or items on it at all. For that reason, General land is often cheaper than Moderate, though some sellers still seem to manage to sell General parcels to unsuspecting buyers at outrageous prices. Tour around the whole region before buying to see if there are, for example as happened to me years ago, people who like to display 20 large scripted vehicles on permanent display which sucks up a lot of region resources, or other issues you may not want to have nearby. Don't buy land on Tuesdays and Wednesdays if possible (ie, when most Mainland regions are being restarted) - especially in Zindra. I once bought what seemed an ideal parcel late Tuesday, and by Wednesday the AFK centre on the same region had been repopulated after reset and 30 avatars were there pretty much permanently. Sometimes that gets so bad that you can't even get into your home sim. Be VERY careful of that in Zindra, but I avoided one parcel in Sansara also because someone had about 20 permanent bots on their land in the region. (Fortunately I managed to sell the Zindra land a few months later for what I had paid for it, probably to someone else who didn't know the traps!)

Thank you for this information @Qie Niangao - do you know a reference to where this was explained to members, please? I'd just like to learn a little bit more. One thing that I often notice is that some of the really attractive lands with lots of detailed vegetation seem quite laggy. I have long suspected that this is a combination of the scripts and the high res textures in many of the modern trees and plants... is this the likely cause? I love to explore such lands, but sometimes it becomes a real waiting game for everything to load and settle, and even then, movement is quite tiresome.

Thank you so much @Feorie Frimon- it will be interesting to hear any details they may know! Thank you for all that background @Abnor Mole- that is exactly the kind of inside information that I was hoping would fill in some blanks. It seems that my estimate of 2010 as the time when it all stopped was fairly spot on (based only on the most recent parcel creations, really). It really is interesting that Governor Linden saw fit to set out some of Chiyo's creations, presumably after her departure... I can only imagine, to create some kind of memorial of what had been there. I don't suppose you know anything about the Varnish lands across the three parcels, and the Michael Linden building, which seems to be set up as a club with music gear, and a lounge area on the upstairs mezzanine? Of special interest on that mezzanine area are three very old objects, dating to around the time the public beta started in late 2002: A potted plant created by Alberto Linden ( secondlife:///app/agent/3d986d15-3bdb-42e4-56a5-aa020a548a45/about ) on Oct 17, 2002 A framed picture created by newbietemplate Linden ( secondlife:///app/agent/d929385f-41e3-4a34-a04e-f1fc39f24f12/about ) on December 16, 2002 A small stack of books created by Eric Linden ( secondlife:///app/agent/a2e76fcd-9360-4f6d-a924-000000000006/about ) on October 14, 2002 None of these Lindens any longer exist, so their profiles can only be accessed from Edit profiles of objects they created, or by using the URI links I have provided, entered into local chat.

This won't be of interest to most people, but if it is and you have anything to add by way of further information, I would love you to post in reply. Location: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Hawkshead/81/139/29 HAWKSHEAD AND NEIGHBOURING REGIONS - THE CONTEXT: After touring around and analysing what I found here, it seems the whole region was planned about 15 years ago as a Japanese Linden village + learning area. There seems to be no private land in the region, and it is divided into various parcels named for various subdivisions of a Linden village. Some of the parcels are designated as 'available' or 'open' which implies that maybe at one time they were to be made available, I would say, to planned Japanese Linden staff. The dates of the parcels seem to range from 2006 to 2010, so this seems to have been a project spanning several years, although it was never taken past the embryonic stage. This region is just a little to the south-east of a whole chain of 'Linden Village' regions, stretching from Cirano in the north, through to Havenhurst and even Grasmere has some Linden Village parcels. In these regions the various parcels are often owned by various Lindens, and I wonder if the plan for Hawkshead was for Japanese Lindens to base themselves there as well as providing a learning area for Japanese SL citizens. (Just to the NW there are three regions called Help Islands and Orientation Island, so having a Japanese-specific hybrid learning area and Linden home bases would make some sense). However, whatever the plans were, it seems that by around 2010 it had all been abandoned and left more or less as it is now - a whole region memorialising what might have been but never was. It is also worth noting that Satori continent was built in 2007 as a specifically Japanese continent, so this intended Japanese development in Sansara would seem to have been something of an anomaly and almost destined for oblivion - unless it was intended that Japanese Lindens in association with Japanese new residents would use it as a base from which to then venture off to Satori. THE VARNISH LANDS AND THE MICHAEL LINDEN BUILDING: An anomaly is found in a parcel along the western edge of Hawkshead region before broadening into a larger area at the SW corner, in a parcel enigmatically named 'Varnish', and which dates back to 2004. This name is also applied to adjacent land in nearby Grasmere and Borrowdale regions, all also from 2004, and containing a building placed at the intersection of four regions by the now-deleted Michael Linden ( secondlife:///app/agent/08779971-74fa-47ea-af19-5bd3eac311c0/about ) who was once the head Mole, and also by Jesse Linden (secondlife:///app/agent/6bf041e8-d6ef-4c8a-a518-7269a18d878b/about ) whose name is applied to some components of the building The fourth region in which this building lies is Waterhead, and the parcel on which it stands in that region is part of the Waterhead Welcome Area HAWKSHEAD'S JAPANESE BRIDGE AND LEARNING AREA: The Japanese bridge is a focal point of the Hawkshead region, and contains several boards with tutorial information in Japanese. It seems to be unfinished though, as the boards cease partway across the bridge. The bridge and boards were created by Michael Linden, and maybe his departure from SL is somehow connected with the incompleteness of the project. Although the tutorial boards are written in Japanese, an English version can be obtained in a notecard if you click the board. They teach a few basic movement and viewing techniques in SL, and I am ashamed to admit that after 13 years in SL, there was one of them I did not know previously! In the middle of the bridge is an interesting marble stone object which is worth sitting on just for the experience. It plays and annoying tune. (To get the full effect you MAY need to press ESC after sitting... but sometimes you don't) On the far side of the bridge is a parcel named 'Japanese Resident Learning Center', ('Resident' is misspelled, apart from on a small sub-parcel inside it which has the correct spelling) and which contains just a few items, mostly created by a Japanese Linden named Chiyo Linden, who has long been deleted but whose profile may be found at: secondlife:///app/agent/aa25e1e7-9770-44e1-bb00-c94c2ab05d27/about (As an aside, it is very interesting to read Chiyo Linden's Picks - it seems that some of them address concerns experienced by all members of the LL team at that time, and they form quite an interesting historical snapshot!) The objects created by Chiyo Linden are, interestingly, actually owned by Governor Linden, so it almost seems as if they have been placed there as a memorial of the now-long-ended attempt to create a Japanese region here in Sansara. The objects include: > a table on the ground at the eastern edge of the parcel > a 'public microphone' at the western edge, with a Japanese superscript, which was in this case was created by the now-deleted Socrates Linden ( secondlife:///app/agent/916b6021-5ba1-4903-a14c-97d5d10e1296/about ) but owned by Chiyo Linden before being passed on to Governor Linden > a vertical wooden post > a sky platform in the shape of snowy clouds at 300m altitude towards the west side of this parcel (the parcel has a landing point, so you have to fly up to see this), which also includes some Japanese tatami mats, a short video clip playing on a curved screen, and most notably a small white bear wearing a sumo loincloth and called 'Chiyo Linden's Sumo Bear v3.0 SN#0000' (one of the few items on the parcel not called, simply, 'Object', and at 19 prims accounting for nearly half of all the prims on the parcel) CONCLUSION: If anyone can enlighten me on any of the history of this region, about how it tied in to the whole picture of the Japanese presence in SL, and about its abandonment, and also the Michael Linden building across the four regions, or about any of the now-deleted Lindens, please comment by replying to my post. This is what can happen when you start to look at places in SL in too much detail *giggle* By the way, when exploring lands like this, it can be helpful if your minimap displays parcel boundaries - right click on the minimap and select Show > Property Lines!