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10 minutes ago, Pimxi said:

I really hope I will not have a similar neighbor.

 

Someone, please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that is a clear violation of the Covenant.

*"...*Linden Homes should be kept presentable and in-theme to their unique areas...."

*"...The exterior should always remain in theme out of consideration for your neighbors..."

I would seriously consider reporting that if I were you. Just saying

 

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5 hours ago, Marianne Little said:

Don't twist my words, if any of you think it's something I said. In this thread, or another, I have mentioned a house and a boat in my sim. I don't go spying in peoples windows, but when they are bordering my place, I can't help noticing nothing there. And I mean they both have 351 LI still, they haven't rezzed a single prim.

Don't claim it is about "too little decorating" or "not enough gardening".. They have nothing rezzed. Period.

And I have said, there can be RL illness, or a sudden change in work or some other issue. We can not know. I just found it odd. When I mentioned it, it was because some suggested it was "greedy" or "unfair" that people who pay premium for more than one account should claim 2 places in Bellisseria.

I compared it to me, because I don't want to step aside and abandon one place to be a better person, or something like that. So I was human and said : - I have two accounts I pay for, with a plot for each. And maybe I am a bad person. But what about those who claim a place and then don't use it, not even for a dressing room with a posestand.

I was saying that there will always be someone who are irritated when there is a popular thing in high demand, and there will always be. Only thing that will make it better, is that they make so many new homes that people can pick here and there. And then it will not be so interesting anymore.

Twist your words? I sincerely hope you aren't referring to lil' ol' me. I wasn't talking about you specifically. If I were, I would have quoted you, as I'm doing right now. I'm sorry if you took it personally if that's the case. It sincerely wasn't my intention.

So, if a person puts a single prim inside his parcel, it's all good? Or two? Maybe five? Fifty? When will it be enough? Where, exactly, do we 'draw the line". Who comes up with this totally subjective number?

It's just that some people are sincerely considering "judging" who should or shouldn't "deserve" a new Linden home, based on subjective things: the use of LI and time spent there.

Which would means that now, someone MUST use his LI, or spend a minimum amount of time there, or both, in order to keep his parcel? When, since 2003, has LL enforced that?

A person could be too occupied to use his plot; He could be "between" redecorations; He could be simply "planning" how he will design his plot (heck, I personally know people who spend weeks doing this); or maybe he just wasn't in the right mood yet, etc...

That's a very dangerous line of thought.

One that makes us start looking all over Bellissaria, and "judge" who is or isn't worthy of being there for the time being. Of being "worthy" of becoming our neighbors or not. Without having any objective means of really knowing why someone did or didn't use his LI yet.

If you allow this type of thing to grow, you will end up with some sort of a "twisted witch hunt" in your hands. Is that the kind of community we want?

Again, a really dangerous line of thinking, imho.

 

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14 hours ago, Sylvia Tamalyn said:

Because they pay the same as everyone else and are entitled to keep the house they were able to get, whether or not they furnish it. Why segregate people who don't think the same way you do? If someone wants an empty house, that is their business. 

More importantly: who's going to judge what is a fully decorated house, and what isn't?

Does it has to use all the LI available? Can it have empty rooms? Does it need a fully landscaped garden?

And god forbid any given owner decides to save some LI so he can have a nice skybox as well or even a little sandbox of his own, heh? Nope, can't have that. Must fully decorate his house according to someones else totally subjective view, right?

And let's not even discuss about how much time one should spend online inside his Linden House in order to "deserve" keeping it. Let me guess: how about a huge public timer over every house telling everyone how many seconds the owner and his alts has spent there, right? Then, using a totally subjective number, we decide if that is enough or not, huh?

Seriously guys.... sigh

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3 hours ago, Chic Aeon said:

Reasonably -- even WITHOUT bots and breedables 351 land impact can include a LOT of heavy mesh. Remember that small items --- even when VERY HEAVY can be just 1 land impact. So put a bunch of those small items in with some VERY PRETTY but really not "game asset" furniture and you have LAAAAAAG.  

I was worried about that too -- mostly because I have some weird issue with my computer that I haven't been able to solve in well over a month and my fps rate has halved EVERYWHERE.  So where I would have had 40 fps I now have 20 which I can live with but if I look in some directions my fps is down to 9 or so. Some sims that I drove though were down to 5.

The Lab has assured us that they will be monitoring issues, but time will see how it plays out. Since the stated plan (Town Halls) is that there will be more continents eventually it is certainly in LL's best interest to make sure that Bellissearia not only looks good but runs well -- and that means down on the ground. If I wanted a skybox I have other places I can put it and get outstanding fps LOL.

 

I have a cool new free car (marketplace - search for Linden Home) and I am going to see if I can get it to work on Belliserria.  It works great on my building pad, but so does my scooter -- and my scouter only hits trees and fences near my home (sigh).  My BIKE works great though so I always have that. Peddle power. 

 

Yup. Not only heavy mesh, but especially 1024 res textures. Each LI of those 351 can "hold" several of these. And they do take a large toll at rendering, download and generating lag.

What is even worse: Even though there are legitimate uses for such heavy (by SL standards, mind you) texture (an airplane fuselage, for instance, that needs a lot of details in it; or a painting, etc...), most of the mesh items I see could very well do with 512 res textures. A significant number could do with just 256 as well.

There is no reason to have a 1024 res plain white pastel wall, but people still do it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

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1 hour ago, SarahKB7 Koskinen said:

@Abnor Mole  

About the boat rez places. I'm glad they are there, but they look a bit too "video-gamey" to me. The piers are fine, but its those stripes in the water!!!

We don't have any over-obvious striped areas on any of the mainland continents  road route rez areas. Instead, there are subtle, discreet roadside signs.  For the boat rez areas, they too should look subtle enough so that they don't look so over- obvious and garish. 

Instead of the stripey phantom prim markers that are now presently there, why not use more subtle RL methods to mark the area? How about a specially coloured set of floating marker buoys  in each corner of the zone (perhaps Linden Lab turquoise?), all set to phantom so that they don't interfere with whatever's rezzed there?

Also, I don't like the location of the new landing strip island, it seems a silly place to put it, in the middle of a main sea channel. And how are Belliserria's residents supposed to drive or walk over to it without an access bridge (which would also block the sea channel) ?  This new landing strip island seems like a very rushed sudden idea, that seemed like a good idea at the time. But I think it should be removed or relocated to somewhere more accessible to Belliserria's road network and footpaths.

Another idea, instead of a landing strip, why not put a few helipads on the tops of some of the lighthouses as helicopter rez areas? SL CoastGuard would like that I think, they could establish a regional base within the lightbouse buildings.

Well, they probably placed it there because that sim has the LI to spare, since its just plain water, apparently. Also, the approach there has no obstacles whatsoever, which is another plus as well.

If that's, indeed, the case, perhaps some sort of scripted barge, big enough to fit a car or two in it if needed, traveling from the NE part of that sim (has some land in it) towards the island and back every few minutes could work?

Would also possibly become something fun to do as well.

I also felt like it could have a few more props in the lil' island. Something to attract ppl there as a destination, besides just pilots? A picnic area, maybe a little beach, stuff like that. Just some ideas for the nearby future, when the moles aren't with their hands so full as right now (they still have to deal with the LH deficit, which is a much more important matter, imho)

As I said previously, the sim has the LI to spare anyways. So why not use just a bit more of it as well, right?

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3 hours ago, Chic Aeon said:

Just an aside.  I have been selling airplane hangers lately (not exactly a mainstream product) so I was thinking that folks might be buying small plots on the mainland that are CLOSE to Bellisseria and then flying over. 

Can folks just rez a 1024 size prim up at 2000 feet over their parcel to fly off of?  I have never flown so have no idea. That seems like the easiest if possible. True, not all that "immersive" though

Few problems. The major one would be that you need a plane that could take off in less than 30mts  (probably 20-25mts, realistically speaking. Maybe even less, depending on the size of the given aircraft.), since 32mts is the max distance most 1024 párcels have available. Not all aircraft can do that.

Also, for those that appreciate flying, takeoffs and landings are a very important part of it. Being able to see the scenery apparently has a huge impact on immersion.

Finally, most people that enjoy flying also enjoy doing so while being able to see whats happening around you. 2000mts takeoffs would probably impair in a 1800mts crazy dive immediately after it 

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15 minutes ago, Heathernorton said:

there is no way i want LL involved in something like  an airport marina etc. They have done a magnificent job with the new continent but there are so many broken pieces of SL around. 

How well is the SLRR maintained?  Think we will ever see the continents finished that construction stopped on years ago? The most continually updated areas of SL are run privately. 

LL is best suited on making something that requires little or no maintenance so they can work on other areas of SL. Let folks that are willing to invest their own time and money do this. There is very little money to be made having a marina, airport etc but folks do it because they like to. It's a hobby for people, not a livelihood. Why pay someone a good wage when someone else is willing to do it as a hobby at a fraction of the cost or even pay to do it?

 

Why?

I believe you're thinking about this the wrong way.

Forget about the common way we think of airports and marinas in the main grid.

Nope, nothing like that.

Think about it as scenery. A destination. Like an island, with a rez zone in it. Very low maintenance (or, at the very least, as much as any regular public place), and not only it adds to the scenery, but also gives planes a place to actually take off from.

If you aren't against lighthouses, parks, pools, beaches, etc... You shouldn't be against an airport, when its added as a prop, with rez zones capability. The same goes for a marina, etc. It's, basically, the same thing, maintenance wise.

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8 hours ago, Heathernorton said:

new continent does not need an airport.  thats what private enterprise is for and the new area is not for that.  

I beg to differ.

See all those roads and waterways? They're not just for "looks". LL want us to explore. They want us to have something to do in the new continent, besides decorating our shiny new LH.

See all those lighthouses, pools, etc? Again, not just for the "looks". They're destinations. When you are out there exploring, or travelling, or whatever, you need those. They become the end goal. Ultimately, once you've seen everything, you travel toward those, eventually.

Forget all we knew about LH. These aren't the old ones. LL is going for something different here. Rez zones, no ban lines, etc... They want us to explore. To go out there, if we choose to.They are giving us more than just a little place to decorate.

And not just airports. But marinas. Offroad trails. Far away islands. A huge community beach. A nice pier with an amusement park. Underwater destinations (a well done wreckage, maybe?), etc... The more of those we get, the more things to do we'll have. And it all adds up nicely to the scenery, when done correctly. In the end, it's a good thing.

Besides, private enterprise? That will be surprisingly hard to do, given that the new continent is exclusively made of LH houses. So either LL add space for those, or we won't see anything like it in the new continent. Personally? I would rather have LL doing it themselves, after seeing the superb work they did with everything else in the new continent.

Finally, think about it. Do you want to see airplanes taking off from the current roads we have? Because, right now, that's what they'll have to do with the present rez zones, if it's not a floatplane. I sure don't.

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1 minute ago, Fritigern Gothly said:

Time to celebrate!!!

Indeed! Great news. I honestly thought it could take them longer to do that, with all the current work they have at their hand nowadays. Kudos ^^

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7 minutes ago, Mollymews said:

picking up on these points

A question. Should LL through design, make new users who have purchased a premium account with a starter home provided by LL, jump through hoops to secure for themselves privacy, a privacy driven by modesty, when in those homes?

For 16 years now LL have been obsessed with baking the ideals of community into their own mainland offerings. A further question is: How is that working for LL after all these years, in premium account uptake and conversion?  The new starter home continent is anything but new. It's just another go by LL at the baked community ideal, same old, same old.. The only thing that makes them more attractive over LL's previous attempts is the increase in parcel size and LI  for the same price.

i predict that the isolationist tendency found on the previous 512m Linden Homes continents will continue to prevail in the main, as it did and does continue to prevail on old mainland on those parcels occupied as homes. A question is why is that ? What's with this isolationist tendency ? The fundamental answer to these types of questions is that modesty drives home parcel isolationism. A want for privacy is not a driver or tendency in itself per se. Privacy is a means to securing modesty for one's self in one's own home

there are two ways to implement home parcel privacy. Preemptive: banlines. Permissive: scripted orb. LL have now chosen to go with a permissive (after the fact) method on the new Linden Homes continent, when those who do want parcel privacy control for modesty purposes are better served by a preemptive (before the fact) method

a choice seemingly made in accordance with the baked community ideal. An ideal which has now been extended to permissively incorporate a premium account's Linden-provided home into the community commonweal - leaving the home owner with only an after-the-fact method to secure their modesty in their own home

most people do start out their SL with a sense of modesty. It can for be for some people that the longer they stay in SL the concept of modesty tends to wear away due to the vagaries of rendering. Many people though still do what they can, as best they can to be modest even with the current mesh bodies. Using appliers and judicious use of alphas to cover their bits as best they can, in addition to their mesh clothes. A person might be showing a lot of skin, but quite often their bits are pastied or alpha'ed out

a person, not you, also mentioned earlier, that SL is a multi-user environment, therefore those who want preemptive privacy control are out-of-luck.  A thing to consider, the real world is a multi-user experience also. Yet, at the base societal level there is an expectation of privacy in our own homes. How well or poorly the provided methods to secure that do operate, is immaterial to the expectation. It is only material to the operation, which is not the same thing

 

I honestly beg to differ.

First: baked communities DO work when done right. Just check all those several huge privately run estates (Hollywood, Eden, Fair Chang, etc... ) which have been running for several years.

Now, it is anything but new?

When has LL removed ban lines before?

When did they really put an effort in the overall looks of the continent as they did in Bellisseria? Not even Blake is close to that.

What made Blake such a huge success, when it comes to desirability, is its sheer quantity of "water" parcels and the freedom of travel in it. Guess what? The new continent is trying to mimic exactly that.

Again, they can't really force us to interact with each other. But, after roughly a week in the new continent, I can tell you this: I have never had so many opportunities to do so from within my parcel ever since I first joined SL, back in 2005.

Heck, just check the map at ANY time. It's always buzzing with activity. The original LH was never like that. Not even when they first launched.

I have parcels both in Blake and Jeugeot. Both have water and road access. And, still,  I've spent most of my time lately in that new continent. They did something right there.

Will it work? No idea. But I sincerely think it's worth a shot. It's, imho, one of the most exciting things LL has brought to us in the last few years. And I'm sincerely hoping that ban or no ban lines, they succeed in what they have planned for it.

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2 hours ago, Mollymews said:

because these are the Linden starter homes

removing the banline capability says that people who buy premium and get a starter home must be exposed to random wanderers. That when a premium member is standing naked on their pose stand in their own home trying on outfits, then it is ok for any random person can wander in and/or over and get an eyeful for some Linden-decided 10, 15, 20 or 30 seconds or however long, and/or take a snapshot of that premium member in that state

it is one thing to be photo-snapped naked in a public place, it is quite another to be photo-snapped in what we would assume to be the privacy of our own home

removing banlines from the premium starter homes is a lazy response to a perennial issue

directed public travel is solved by the LDPW dropping withies/beacons in the water, and transparent ones in the sky to mark the public boating and airspace channels. Beacons that are ping-able from a radar script that listen for the beacons, helping the driver/sailor pilot to stay in the channels.  If LL are going to spend staff resources and time on scripting stuff to help users then ping-able beacons please, and have the Moles drop them all over the Linden mainland

which leaves the new premium starter accounts with the expectation of preemptive privacy that banlines coupled with visibility ensures, which should be the default for a Linden-provided premium starter home

 

If your parcel is correctly set, that person would have to literally guess when you are changing clothes. Then approach your parcel, which takes some time, and then, after entering, take the pic in the few secs he/she has available to do so.

Meanwhile, you could be changing in your skybox. Or tp to it as soon as someone gets too close. Or tp elsewhere. Or avoid changing clothes when other players are in the vicinity. Or use your body's alpha while changing, etc...Oh! And ban list that person for eternity, so he would never be able to approach your land again.

Look, I get it. You want total control of what happens within your land. You want to be able to do things exactly as you could in the old Linden Houses. That's all fair and square.

But here is the thing: The older Linden Houses were a huge failure. The word Ghost Town comes to mind.

Now, LL is trying to avoid that. They are going for something new. Making a much better looking place is an important part of that. As is making traveling a possibility (hence why anything that hinders that becomes a liability). Giving us more options than previously is another as well (we get actual land with our Linden House, instead of just the house itself; the possibility of a skybox, etc). And making a community that actively interacts within itself is another important part, which LL has made abundantly clear. They want us to interact in Bellisseria. That's part of the price we currently have to agree with in order to have a house there. When you sign up for premium, the LH Covenant is the price you must agree with, in order to have access to the premium houses. It was exactly the same thing with the older ones as well. They just changed some of the rules there, in order to try a new concept.

Will it work? Who knows. Is it for everybody? Sure hell it isn't. It never is. But, as a community, we must agree that there will always be a part of it that won't be satisfied with something. As long as the majority of players get what they want, it is working as intended. It's why I proposed to poll it. So we know what the majority wants, and act accordingly. I believe that the community as a whole is pretty happy with how things are right now, given how quickly the land there became unavailable, and how rare land abandons currently are right now, even after the ban line change. But I could be wrong. A poll would surely put this to rest.

The majority gets what they want. The minority gets to deal with it, unfortunately. As any other democratic system. Square and fair.

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1 minute ago, Blush Bravin said:

I thought I brought up a good solution. Create areas that are no fly zones. In those areas you can have ban lines and zero second orbs. Those areas could be clearly marked in the map so travelers know to stay clear of those areas. In all the other areas then it's open. No ban lines. That way the needs of both can be met.

Ban lines again.

See?

Basically, the other group would have to compromise and accept that there will be some regions where their movement will be restricted. Remember that part of not wanting an unpassable barrier? They would have to compromise with that.

Try as you may, either you get away with ban lines, and have one group unsatisfied, or keep it, which will mean the other group won't be able to really go wherever they want without encountering a barrier.

Now, which group should get what?

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2 minutes ago, Katarin Kiergarten said:

Security orbs can be only as effective as promptly as an estate's covenant allows, which as an estate manager I would assume you already know. Those here critiquing LL's offering of orbs are reasonably predicting that immediate ejection, or even relatively fast (5-10 seconds) ejection, will (obviously) not be options. 

It's perfectly warranted to critique this because a security orb with a significant delay between detection and removal will not do what ban lines do, period.

So there is no reason to wait to comment upon this shortcoming. We know what it is already. I am confused about why you are implying otherwise, though. Security orbs are not magic. Yes, they might work for some residents in cases where they use ban lines instead, but I am referring to the scenario LL has introduced, which is also used in sailing- and flying-friendly private estates, in which ban lines are disallowed and security orbs have a mandated time delay before they take action. That scenario is problematic, and obviously so, for those who want comprehensive, immediate protection.

And there lays the problem, imho.

People are talking about trying a compromise, and, yet, can even agree with a small delay, which will be necessary in order for people to leave your property. Simple as that.

They desire the option that people can't enter it. Period. Ever.  Only a ban line can do that (or a ban list), and, therefore, there isn't any compromise. They want the "status quo" maintained. Simple as that.

Most of the suggestions I saw here clearly shows that in a way or another: Bring back ban lines; Create an entirely new continent just with ban lines; Recreate the whole continent again, making sure no ban lines will not get in the way of travelers;  Make a part of the continent with ban lines, etc... See the common trend here?

No compromise. Not really, when you look at it.

It's, in one form or another, basically bring ban lines. Just wrapped in a new "package".

On the other hand, you have a group of people that do not want any kind of physical unpassable barrier between them and their destination. They do accept having to "rush" through someone's property, but not having to go around it.

Basically, both groups are incompatible. Simple as that.

Hence why I said we should poll it. At least we get to know, really, who the majority is, and act accordingly. No fairer way to do it than that.

Still, I am hopeful that someone, somewhere, will come up with something. Who knows...

 

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15 minutes ago, Sylvia Tamalyn said:

I suppose it's too much to ask that people at least wait until the orbs are available, see how they work, and THEN complain?

This!

Maybe we should consider waiting for the new orb to be implemented, and see how this new LH experience LL is trying goes for a bit before we all start trying to give suggestions as if we knew better than LL itself? At least so we can all have some actual real experience with this new thing?

I don't know.... It just feels like we all want things OUR way, and keep coming up with excuses for explaining why it should or shouldn't be. And yes, this goes both ways (both groups, and, yup, me included).

The more I look at this thread, the less I think of it. It is steadily doing nothing but growing the discord between both groups even further. Hopefully, I'm wrong at this.

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6 minutes ago, Gryphon Ronas said:

At this point, it doesn't really matter, it's not going to fix anything.

The lack of rez zones already created a gap between the "Haves & Have-Nots" and this latest move drove a big wedge into the gap and has created a division in the "community" that isn't going to go away. This is just the way things are at this point in human history.

Fix? I doubt it as well. But at least would put an end to this discussion. I mean, if people are going to question even a democratic decision, then I sincerely don't know what else will do.

It's how communities solve their differences: They vote. There's no fairer way, hence why I keep mentioning it.

Otherwise, its just people (myself included) veiledly pushing their personal agenda over and over.

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I've said it once, and I'll say it again:

Poll it!

Instead of coming up with ideas of why "I" should be allowed to have ban lines, or free movement, etc... All of which are, to a certain degree, subjective (it is, after all, a personal point of view), just poll it within the community.

Whatever the result may be, implement it. And end this. Otherwise, it will just be a never-ending discussion where, unfortunately, both parties have some reason. This will go on, and on...

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12 minutes ago, Gryphon Ronas said:

What metrics would they have had available?  The people who opposed it were the only ones saying anything. The rest were just using the tools available to them.

I think your estimation of the decision process is overly optimistic.

Every time someone puts up his Ban Line, that becomes data. Every single time someone opens up a ticket, that becomes data. Everything posted in their forums also becomes data. Every suggestion they ever got, also becomes data. Etc, etc... Trust me, they do have plenty of info concerning what the majority of the community wants, imho. I sincerely doubt they merely went with a creative impulse, and see where the chips may fall.

But, I stand by what I said earlier: Poll it and end this nonsense about what the majority does or does not want. Simple as that.

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Well, I say put it to a vote.

Make a poll about the subject, and let's really see what the majority desires.

But, just between us, do you guys really think that LL made this decision without the metrics behind it?

I sure hope they aren't that amateur

 

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4 minutes ago, Gryphon Ronas said:

Maybe some of these community minded people who have been talking about having 3, 4, or more homes claimed will show their community spirit by giving up the extras so more people can participate, and get extra houses on their alts later on when things are more established.  After all - it's all about the community, not the individual, right?

I already did that with two extra lots that I had earlier before when I learned the lots were all gone. Quite a few people that I know did the same thing as well. And probably quite a few more will do the same in the next few hours.

You see, some of us actually do care about the community. Quite a few, actually. 

It's not just all about ban lines and the likes. 

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4 minutes ago, Blush Bravin said:

Because none of the others you've mention have been an issue for me. That's my experience. I'm not going to talk about something that's not an issue for me. 

My whole point was that though we won't have banlines .. I'm actually glad about that, and though we really have no idea at this point whether the supplied orbs will do the job for us, that we do still have the ban hammer. So for those of us who want to use it .. it's still there. So there's no need to panic, except that when I get accused of not wanting to be social or part of the community because I would have the nerve to use the ban on someone who is annoying me. 

It's really crazy that I would get attacked, and that's what it feels like when I'm basically told I don't belong and that I should leave because I will use the ban if necessary. 

Makes sense. And you're completely right. Ban lists are a necessity. It's the right tool (along with ignore) for us to limit who we wish to interact with.

But, truth be told, I don't ever remember people complaining about ban lists. Just ban lines.

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1 minute ago, Blush Bravin said:

I guess you have trouble reading. Why don't you read the whole reason I gave for not wanting to do that. It's community, right???? So I'd like to hear and converse with my neighbors without being drummed out by a chopper or too low flying aircraft. This is simple manners. 

Motorboats can be pretty loud. So can jetskis. Cars can too (especially muscle ones, or sports). So can trucks and the likes. Motorcycles can be especially loud as well (choppers).

Truth be told, I've heard AVies carrying so much sound scripts in them that would make a helicopter pale in comparison.

So why just focus on flying objects?

In the end, this is, before anything else, a community. So compromises will have to be made. On both sides.

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19 minutes ago, Aleciaa Daffyd said:

I know some of you say why do you need to keep people away from your land...well sometimes you get stalkers and sometimes you just don't want people coming into your home unwelcomed. If I am on at night I do not want people just entering my home. It is like you leaving your front door open in real life. You have a home for your privacy otherwise we could just go and be in a sandbox. 

A security orb would easily take care of that.

As would adding such person to your ban list. That way, he/she would never, ever, be able to do that again.

And it would take mere seconds to do so. But still, to some (and, mind you, I am in no way implying that you happen to be one of those) those seconds are more important than the well being of the SL community as a whole. Or, at the very least, a not insignificant part of it.

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6 minutes ago, Blush Bravin said:

Considering that I was standing on the second floor of my home and was eye to eye with something flying a helicopter .. I think they were a bit low by anyone's standards. Unfortunately, I've seen choppers that low often.

Most pilots don't, in my experience. Also, there are incomparably more ppl just flying low too, without any vehicle attached to them. This isn't just about flying with some prims attached to you emulating a vehicle. The freedom of movement SL allows will make situations like ppl flying at your eye level happen often.

So, what's next? Ban flying altogether?

Still, a decently tuned security orb will take care of any situation like that. So, then again, why ban lines?

 

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5 minutes ago, Female Winslet said:

This decision has tipped me over into wanting one. 🙂

Alas, I don’t imagine I’ll have much chance of getting one, especially with how many people are so happy and excited about this decision. 

I saw one available yesterday with one of my alts (didn't grab it though, since I already have one myself). If you're interested in it, keep trying. I'm sure you will eventually get it

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2 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

Well, you can only ban and ignore someone whom you've already identified as a trespasser or potential problem.

In fairness, I wouldn't want to dictate to people the kinds of security they want or need, just as I tire of hearing the pro-privacy crowd dismissing the concerns of vehicle users out of hand.

Personally, I don't much care about such things, but it's important to acknowledge that others may have reason to secure their privacy proactively, before it's violated. And that's what the security orbs are for.

Those are the tools you will use when dealing with real nuisance, imho. Hence why I said "ultimately".

But yes, I have no beef with decently programmed security orbs. As long as it's not a 3 secs warning and home TP, I'm perfectly fine with it. It's why I believe LL going in this direction is a good thing. So that every security orb out there in the new continent will behave exactly how they think it should. Nothing more nor less.