DeeJay Peapod
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6 minutes ago, Prokofy Neva said:
This is a US based company with no offices any more in Asia or Europe. A German law cannot be enforced on US soil.
No but it is accessible within those places as well which means its still under the jurisdictional law as well as the LL owned servers maintained in those places
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5 minutes ago, Prokofy Neva said:
There isn't a law, though. Note the post says "regulatory climate" which is not a law.
Petition No 0373/2019 by I.O. (German) on the need to put the content of ‘gacha’ games on the same legal level as those known as ‘loot boxes’ in mobile apps
check google
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2 minutes ago, Kyrah Abattoir said:
The problem is actually being dealt with, the fact it negatively impact gacha resellers is not a bug, it is a feature.
Gamblers do have fun while they gamble their all their savings away, people also have fun in skinner boxes. An item you have no use for is "not getting anything back".
Supply & demand, if there is no demand, the value of a product is effectively zero.
No if the problem were being directly dealt with then the few key people/companies causing the problem would be dealt with directly. This is a blanket they just assume that its all being done and handled in the same way so instead of targeting those actually causing the problem its better just to smack it all down at once, which again can have an outward ripple. Secondly not everyone who gambles is intent on gambling their life savings away, that implies that everyone's gonna be addicted to gambling, which is purely not the case and there is plenty of evidence to show that gambling addicts only make up a small portion of those who gamble. Just because the item is of no use to you doesnt mean you cant sell it, garage sales have existed for a long time in the real world and gacha resells exist within SL, your pretty much reselling something you dont want. or just like in the real world you could simply toss it out. It doesnt mean that item doesnt hold value it just means that item doesnt hold value to you.
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1 minute ago, Adeon Writer said:
I would love it if this means The Arcade would be filled with actual boardwalk carnival games for product rewards instead of just random pulls.
more dissenting opinions
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8 minutes ago, Silent Mistwalker said:
About the time humans either eliminate themselves or realize they are on the verge of extinction before too much longer and change their ways.
I hate it but it's true.
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4 minutes ago, Alan Cyr said:
LL isn't likely to get sued or regulated out of existence. As for your list of things: LL has nothing to do with any of them so I dunno how they are relevant as comparisons.
The best thing about SL burgers is that you can eat as many as you want and *nevet* get fat (except by your own choice!)
My comment wasnt just about SL though it stems from what looks to be a blanket law passed by the EU my guess over companies like EA, and because the law casts such a wide net, instead of targeting the actual problem, it has this trickling effect where it causes more problems than just for the people who caused the problems in the first place. my observation was based on the inherent "risk/reward system" which some deem to actually be fun, gachas can be fun if you view them for what they actually are. youre not putting money in a slot machine and not getting anything back. Despite so many times I've seen the argument that its gambling (and it may very well be), the blanket cast by the EU over EA's "lootcrates" which was in fact an actual form of gambling as the return on a purchase could actually be 0. Where as gachas in SL, (or atleast all the ones I have seen) do not operate on that principle. So with that said you're still getting "some" kind of value on your payment into the gacha machine, Its not always the creator who determines worth. Just because the word "rare" is tacked onto something we all want it because we think it holds some semblance of value instead of "wow thats actually really cool, yeah i want that". So in the long and short of it, when blanket laws are passed instead of going after the source of the problem it does in fact open up the flood gates for more ridiculous blanket laws, instead of actually going after the direct source of these problems and maybe setting the example for future changes instead of trying to smother it all to death.
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1 minute ago, Silent Mistwalker said:
Uh oh. Time to ban the internet. It's fattening. All those people just sitting there doing nothing all day long in front of computers.
*internet is officially banned*
Hmm. For some strange reason millions of people are out of jobs now. Nah. It couldn't possible be because we no longer have internet.
Be careful what you wish for. You just might get it. In spades.
God i dont wish for any of that but seriously.....all the blanket laws...and just one bad decision after another by politicians and the general populace at what point does it end....
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1 minute ago, Derf Fairport said:
So glad they are going! They have been rife in SL for some years now.
Shame so many other games are RNG or pure gacha too.
I mean if people enjoy playing them and they arent overly scammy which a good number arent, why should everyone suffer because people have a varying opinions? by this logic they should ban, anything thats fattening, cars, bikes, video games, music....potentially anything that may be harmful to someones dissenting opinion
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2 minutes ago, Misser Swee*****er said:
Actually it was not Destiny 2.. It was "EA StarWars Battlefront 2" And Fifa ultimate teams that started it the ball of controversy rolling sinde those games were build up around milking players for all they were worth and still being full price triple A titles.
BOYCOTT EA!!! and yeah destiny 2 was tame by comparison
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4 minutes ago, KyleWForrester said:
I just wanted to say "thank you" to linden labs for this. 🤬
Last May, My wife and I held a fundraiser for Homes For Our Troops, and we raised $L150 for Homes For Our Troops. Of that 150K, 7,290 came from Gachas.....its not LL its the law makers in the EU and that dumbass company electronic arts
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Man just found the blanket law from the EU.....politicians are friggin morons......
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EA is to blame for this....ea is to blame for everything.....boycott electronic arts today XD
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Look if this is based on the lootcrate scandal then shame on you, the differences as slight as they are are still night and day between gachas, gachas are more like the sticker machine or the gumball machine, and anyone arguing that fact needs to look at the facts. I saw earlier that someone states that gumball machines don't use basically a random number generator based on rarity which is simply not the case, gumball machines just happen to use a very primitive version of this. the rarity on the items inside the gumball machine is varied by how many of each type of item exists within. As the mechanism inside the gumball machine it jumbles up the little plastic eggs further creating a sense of random ness and variance while the ones at the top sometimes the more rare ones don't move. At least with a gacha machine its purely random based on odds and RNG. Again you also know what you have a chance of getting based on the image. Where as lootcrate you had gotten items based on a category or theme and the variance in objects content and count was much wider as apposed to a gumball or gacha machine. So why not ban pre sales on well pretty much anything not limited to but including video games? I mean we know game companies half the time cant be trusted, so why is this practice allowed to continue? Your still ordering something based on a theme or a category in this case it just happens to be an RPG, or FPS, or survival game. you still dont know the contents of said game. you are in fact taking a gamble that the company gave you something good and not garbage. but as with gachas isn't good vs garbage only relative to the person playing?
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there is actually plenty of study to show that most of those claw games are rigged like carnival games, thus it removes the "skill" and replaces it with luck
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Breedables will now be banned as they violate this policy as well XD
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1 minute ago, Chaz Longstaff said:
It's nothing but gambling and it's shady as anything to your customers. If I want something in blue I should be able to buy it in blue, not have to give you 8000 lindens to get the one that I want.
Plus they were done to death. It's like one person gets an idea in SL and 9 million people ape it, and it's not like they are *improving* on the original idea or anything, which is different, but nope, just aping it.
With luck, this will inspire some new innovative business ideas that are fairer to customers.
or ya know...you look for resellers on MP or in world...where odds are youll find it for cheaper anyways....people play gachas because its FUN....
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7 minutes ago, Sora Cyclone said:
One could probably argue that there's a 'cash out' cycle with gacha items, too. It takes some mental gymnastics, but selling the items for lindens and then cashing out those lindens could fall into a grey area as far as gambling goes. If I can think of it, you know some bored and salivating regulator has.
Breedable creators should be considering their options as well, since if they fall under the new 'gacha' policy, they're in violation as well.
i totally agree with you about the breedables thing
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1 minute ago, Vic Mornington said:
881Lord drops the mic and walks off stage...
If a Gatya was done in RL it WOULD be regulated as gambling, no if's no but's.
then why arent the claw machines or sticker machines outside of grocery stores and what not regulated as gambling?
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well then we should all ban, breedables, sploders, any of the fishing games where you have to buy worms, because its all based on chance that you may or may not make a profit in return ergo if you breed horses but your not getting the value of those original horses after food and all the stuff thats required to maintain them, then its technically chance. sploders should be banned simply because its more gambling.
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Just now, Buddhy Singh said:
I totally support this decion, as this is identical to lottery.
Good desition, an alternative would be to play for it on gaming regions, and offer a direct buy.
explain how this is identical to the lottery?
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1 minute ago, JadusBatmanglij said:
"Due to a changing regulatory climate, we’ve had to make the difficult decision to sunset a very popular sales mechanism for content in Second Life"
Anyone know what regulation is being referred to here? Or this is a matter of LL internal policy change ?
claims it violates their "games of chance" so my guess more internal than anything
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2 minutes ago, Sora Cyclone said:
They get the money that people dump into lindens in order to continually hit that slot machine. Every single linden dollar that is bought goes to LL and don't tell me that people don't buy obscene amounts of lindens for those gacha games.
I mean....LL gets that money regardless of gachas....i mean breedables act on the same principle.....
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I now want to see a world wide ban on those claw machines....i mean most of those have been proven to be rigged
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1 minute ago, Sora Cyclone said:
People are blaming LL for this, but do you really think that they'd turn down free money? This has to be a decision that was made for them by some regulatory body.
Gacha probably falls under the same umbrella as lootboxes in some countries. Someone probably finally noticed this and sent LL a strongly worded letter and a delightful fine to pay.
lmao LL doesnt get paid for gacha machines....they get paid for the mesh and texture uploads and thats where it ends so unless a reseller is putting it on the MP
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i mean i think its stupid as hell....doesnt make it any less the law