[Marketplace issues (Feb 14 around 2pm SL time)]

Search, relevance, everything is upside down. And not even to mention this, the comma-separated words that the seller writes to search for a product apparently won't work either?
And what about newcomers - they seem to SL complex at first, and now they will have to undergo separate training how to search for goods on MP? This is not an update, it's a disappointment.

[New Gacha Policy Discussion]

6 hours ago, Rowan Amore said:

В виде @LittleMe Jewellбесчисленное количество раз говорил, очевидно, безрезультатно, что никто не спрашивает чье-либо мнение о том, являются ли гачи азартными играми или нет. Это не имеет значения. Юристы LL НЕ будут читать ваше оправдание и говорить: «Ей-богу! Ты прав! Это не азартная игра! Пусть гача вернется!»  

Продавайте свои вещи, как это делали все с момента основания SL. Реселлеры? Извините, но зарабатывать деньги (если вы их зарабатывали) на чужом тяжелом труде закончилось.

 

Resellers sold RARE for mostly at a price of 200 to 1000, but they won it by spending 10,000, and commons often does not cover this amount-and the buyer pays for the right to choose-unlike a reseller who never knows what he will pull out. One pull can cost from 50 to 100 linds, and the item obtained as a result is often sold for 10-30 linds. Resellers were engaged in honest business, do not spoil your karma by saying evil about good people - especially since you do not understand the issue.

[New Gacha Policy Discussion]

6 часов назад Роуэн Аморе сказал:

В виде @LittleMe Jewellбесчисленное количество раз говорит, очевидно, безрезультатно. Это не имеет значения. Юристы LL НЕ будут читать ваше оправдание и говорить: «Ей-богу! Ты прав! Это не азартная игра! Пусть гача вернется! »  

Продавайте свои вещи, как это делали все с момента основания SL. Реселлеры? Извините, но зарабатывать деньги (если вы их зарабатывали) на чужом тяжелом труде закончилось.

 

 

[New Gacha Policy Discussion]

30 minutes ago, Annie Nova said:

Да, конечно, давайте, поместите их в игровой РЕГИОН, который позволяет людям из определенных штатов получить доступ. Я не играю в гачи, но вижу протест людей, которым запрещен в РЕГИОНЕ, как это правильно и честно? 

The best solution is to create a special region with access control!

[New Gacha Policy Discussion]

2 hours ago, Sora Cyclone said:

Люди обвиняют в этом LL, но неужели вы   думаете, что они откажутся от бесплатных денег? Это должно быть решение, которое за них принял какой-то регулирующий орган.

Гача, вероятно, подпадает под тот же зонтик, что и лутбоксы в некоторых странах. Кто-то, вероятно, наконец заметил это и послал LL строго сформулированное письмо и восхитительный штраф, чтобы заплатить.

It is very profitable for LL to stop gacha machines, when the creators will transfer their items to the MP, and almost all transactions will pass through the MP,  LL will receive their 10 percent.

["Linden Dollar assessment"?]

2 hours ago, Kristin Linden said:

 

 

Эй, ребята!

Я просто хотел добавить быстрое напоминание о том, что призывать конкретных людей и обвинять их в возможных нарушениях TOS не подходит для форумов. Если вы считаете, что кто-то нарушает Условия предоставления услуг, мы просим вас подать отчет о злоупотреблении, чтобы мы могли продолжить расследование.

Пожалуйста, не используйте форумы, чтобы называть и стыдить других, это не круто.

 

И вернемся к теме оценок L $: мы рады, что смогли помочь с их рассмотрением, и, как уже упоминалось ранее, если кто-нибудь сталкивается с какими-либо дополнительными оценками L $, которые он хотел бы просмотреть, пожалуйста, не стесняйтесь обращаться ко мне. и моя команда, подав заявку на поддержку в разделе: Тип проблемы: Marketplace> Общие проблемы Marketplace

В то же время мы ценим терпение и понимание каждого, пока работаем над улучшением этого процесса, чтобы уменьшить негативное влияние на наших жителей.

Не горячись. Будь Рад!

 

Of course, you are right, but we are also right, when we use the form of appeal, we just get a standard response, and no action takes place. Why not open this topic on the forum for discussion? Everyone understands that LL can trace any item, and can solve this problem. Perhaps on the forum we would have found a common solution for the common good.

And thank you very much again for the return of linds, it was cool, it was a step forward in the politics of LL!

 

["Linden Dollar assessment"?]

5 hours ago, GrandDukeDylan Rothmoor said:

I am not sure what made you think they had caught the culprit. The only change that happened was that LL opened a direct channel for us to get our adjustments returned promptly. We have had no update on 1) how the phishing is occurring (so much so that the larger SL public is hardly even being warned about a new type of phishing scam) 2) if there is anything we can do to help LL catch the offender(s) 3) what they intend to do to make it harder for the offender to continue this scam (I strongly believe this needs to be two tier verification so we can cut off the money supply) and 4) where is all the stolen stuff? (is there a black market mega store I don't know about?). I have chosen to relist with the assumption I will continue to get hit but that LL will refund me in such fraudulent cases. Essentially as long as they are agreeing to refund me I am agreeing to be patient with them for long term solutions and to have the extra job of filing tickets and keeping in touch with other resellers. I suggest you do what makes you comfortable, I do not have an Inworld store and never wanted one but many do and some have chosen for peace of mind to stop selling on the MP until LL implements changes. As I am a decorator and am always looking for specific things I was super upset about this situation causing so many resellers to delist as it meant I would probably need to hunt for the items I wanted inworld. I have adjusted though and send my shopping list to the resellers I know. That seems to be working. So I think we will all adjust accordingly. I truly hope LL's saves the MP, but I will enjoy my Second life in spite of this! I think we can be both grateful to the tremendous efforts of Kristin and Patch but at the same time be rightfully disappointed at the Labs for knowing about these security risks in 2017 and not finding solutions then. 

Let's help LL find thieves, many Resellers know who is stealing, but LL adhere to a strange policy of non-interference. I think we need to continue this topic - where do they put the stolen goods? They make copies of it, and sell it on MP from their Alt accounts, while greatly underestimating the cost of the product. I have already written about this, I discovered this scheme in January, I wrote to LL, and I hope that thanks to my efforts, one of the large copybot stores was closed and its owner's account was deleted. Also, due to the fact that the profile data was not hidden, I learned whose Alt was the owner of the store - of course, it was the Alt of <Redacted> - the largest copybot in SL.Many people make copies of products, unfortunately, there are posts about this, but only <Redacted> steals on a huge scale, so I am sure that if this person is found, if she does not have the opportunity to steal records, accounts and make copies, this difficult situation will stabilize. In the store <Redacted> and at the moment there are hundreds of copied goods that were stolen directly from the account of one of  resellers, on which it is still listed by the last owner, this has been going on for two years.  I did not find a solution - I am not the owner of the rights, the owner of the rights of DRD applied to the LL, but also to no avail. This is some nonsense, maybe someone has an idea how to solve this issue?

["Linden Dollar assessment"?]

I created a new ticket yesterday and today I was returned Linden Dollars, I'm happy for everyone who also received a refund, it's good that this topic was raised and LL realized that the theft has already acquired a large scale, and the problems were received a lot of resellers. I hope that a solution will be found to protect us from theft in the future.

Many thanks to Kristin for her attention to the problem and quick help!

["Linden Dollar assessment"?]

1 hour ago, sashaspooky said:

I received a notice like that for everytime I have someone do a fraud buy.  They don't seem to understand how condescending that sounds to the one person who not only lost the items that were sold, but the money used to pay for them.I would accept a notice saying we returned the money and closed the account.  as for your innocent role in all this you lose everything, and are not squat out of luck.

I fully agree, this is what I tried to explain to them that their policy is outdated, and that gachi sellers lose both the item and the money, and not just get upset - as LL writes in the standard answer

["Linden Dollar assessment"?]

at the moment I am making a unlisting of my items on MP - I am against theft, and I also do not want people to get a copy of items with my name as the last owner - as I wrote above-items are bought for stolen Linds and in addition make copies of them

["Linden Dollar assessment"?]

2 minutes ago, Tristan Careless said:

and I just got a response to my ticket filed about lost items with a 'sorry, there is nothing more we can do as stated in our policies.' so....I am very happy for you Marquis...not sure yours will be the majority's outcome. Lame

I received the following response : We understand your frustration, however, the L$ were correctly voided as per our Terms of Service. While we cannot return the items to you, we can assure you every measure has been taken to secure the accounts and reduce the impact of this fraudulent transaction

 

["Linden Dollar assessment"?]

1 minute ago, Tristan Careless said:

Это случилось и со мной - Л.Л. взял с меня около 30000 за 3 дня. После этого я случайно купил предмет на MP и был указан как последний владелец. Я купил товар по цене в 3 раза ниже его реальной цены. Все понимают, что это значит - эта вещь была скопирована.

Хотя вы, возможно, купили свой собственный предмет обратно, нет способа создать новые копии предмета с настоящим именем создателя. В том, что вы описали, нет ничего, что позволило бы сделать вывод, что что-то было скопировано.

^ На самом деле, это так. Если вы «скопируете бота» в коробку, содержимое И оригинальная коробка ТОЧНО будут такими же, как и у загруженного предмета. Таким образом, если содержимое ящика получено от создателя (даже если ящик был продан от того, кто его упаковал), то скопированные предметы БУДУТ также показывать оригинального создателя. Я почти уверен в этом. Было много дискуссий об этом, когда боты впервые стали проблемой. Если я ошибаюсь, пожалуйста, дайте мне знать. 

you are right - I have written little information, I am afraid of incorrect translation-English is not my native language, so it may look like an unproven fact. You are also right in the second part - my items were copied as you described, and they were purchased with stolen funds, and I am 100 percent sure of my words. All who suffered from theft I think would find their items in this store, but I have now checked - this store and its owner are removed. Did this LL or himself the thief - I do not know, unfortunately. Also, I think everyone already knows Tekatoka 89, and that she is the main copybot in SL. Everyone is tired of her dumping prices - she doesn't care, she sells stolen goods. even now, you can buy things from her in the store with the specified last owner - Tanja Byron, although Tanja never sold her things and wrote to LL many times  about it.

["Linden Dollar assessment"?]

 

6 minutes ago, Wulfie Reanimator said:

Хотя вы, возможно, купили свой собственный предмет обратно, нет способа создать новые копии предмета с настоящим именем создателя. В том, что вы описали, нет ничего, что позволило бы сделать вывод, что что-то было скопировано.

Конечно, они не будут. Это было бы действительно глупо.

Предлагайте это как вариант и стимулируйте его использование, но не заставляйте его. Вы скучали по бормотушкам от Tilia? Вам даже не нужно было подписывать соглашение Tilia. (PS Я бы использовал 2FA.)

Perhaps you are not completely aware - if the item is passed without laying on the ground, it will indicate the previous owner, also ask those who have encountered this - the copied items have the correct name of the Creator-apparently, the items are copied "as is"

["Linden Dollar assessment"?]

 It happened to me too - LL charged me about 30,000 in 3 days. After that, I accidentally bought an item on the MP and I was listed as the last owner. I bought the item for a price 3 times less than its real price. Everyone understands what this means - this thing was copied. After checking all the data, I found a group that was organized by tekatoka89, which is the largest copybot in SL. The store where I bought the item sells a lot of things bought with stolen Linds. The items that were purchased from me for Alt appeared in this store, and the Alt account was deleted. This is a store  Gacha_Predator by boringman2variva.

  The person who bought items for Alt from me says that his account was hacked. Ends in water.
   What do I see as a way out? I don't see it, I created 4 tickets in the LL, but there is no result.

  I like the idea to disable the gift giving option for transferable items. As I wrote in the ticket for LL-the LL policy regarding MP is outdated, it needs to be adjusted, given that gacha is now very popular, and it can not be compared with non-transfer items. I am sure that you need to immediately disconnect from SL IP at the slightest case of fraud, I do not understand why thieves and copybots - in one person are in the SL like a fish in water, and only the sellers of gacha suffer.