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4 hours ago, cheesecurd said:
To be fair if you’re running hardware that can be damaged by excessive use then it’s because you haven’t maintained your hardware.
Video cards are designed to be tapped out, they won’t overheat or damage themselves if they’re able to cool themselves properly. If particles in SL cause your gpu to suffer actual damage then you need to clean your PC more often and address the airflow in the case.
Thermal protection and active clock management has been a thing since... I think the FX series of Nvidia cards, 2003? So literally SL’s introduction.
So yes, in that case it is the victims fault. The people who would do that are assholes but if you’re actually affected by it there were like, 10 things to do to avoid that entirely.
And again on the law thing to summarize, SL has a policy for it, but it’s not illegal. Technically someone could set up a virtual KKK rally and it’s entirely legal so long as Linden Labs doesn’t endorse or promote it, but they also don’t have to actually do anything about it. Of course they don’t allow it because that’s not something anyone wants on SL but it wouldn’t be illegal.
Not everyone has a computer that can handle too many particles that overload a Sim. And really, if there is a chronic problem like too many griefers and script kiddies then Second Life should take a look at it and come up with solutions.
But we can agree to disagree. If people are paying to become members and are contributing to SL financially by buying products, supporting venues etc, there should be a reasonable expectation that their computer isn't going to be fried because of excessive particles on a parcel where they aren't supposed to be like a Linden parcel.
Not a reasonable expectation that they should have known or they somehow deserve it. The area should be monitored and cleaned up.
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2 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said:
I thought only noobs and griefers hang out at infohubs.
The few times that I have been teleported there, it has been griefers and trolls.
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1 hour ago, Lyssa Greymoon said:
The crowd at Ahern/Morris is mostly people who have been around a while and they're very nice. It was rowdier when voice was enabled, but that's been a while. The people at Nelsonia seem nice enough but tend to keep more to their own clique. No one goes to Arapaima anymore, it's too crowded..Oritz is filled with bots.
The people at Ahern have been decent. Nelsonia on the other hand is a cesspool.
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4 hours ago, Lindal Kidd said:
Oh, I see. You're one of those do-gooders who are always proposing more rules and regulations to keep people from doing things, not because THEY are being harmed from them, but because they think OTHERS need them.
Like you, I can take care of myself, and so can about 95% of everyone else with any experience on the internet.
I've been shunted to an Adult infohub many times when my log-in destination was offline. I've never experienced any problems there except, of course, extreme lagginess due to crowding.
The whole thing is huge non-problem. Let the thread RIP.
And you are one of those people who see anyone with a different point of view as a do-gooder or a whiner whether they have a valid point or not. Not too dismissive but it's predictable on these threads. Save the name calling. I'm not particularly good. At least I'm not a sycophant who says whatever to stick with the status quo here. No matter what.
C'mon.
And you don't know me, just because I'm civil doesn't mean I'm a bleeding heart. It's just good business not to chase people away from SL. The numbers are dwindling and perhaps a less toxic atmosphere in areas would chase fewer people away.
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52 minutes ago, Orwar said:
See, that's a much broader, but still not completely accurate definition. Harassment isn't necessarily a group activity. And sometimes, calling someone something derogatory, or accosting them, isn't considered harassment (i.e. when it's in response to something they said or did).
If it's unprovoked and you haven't done anything to the individual/individuals involved? Anyhow, I know how this thread is going, it's pretty obvious.
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On 3/23/2014 at 2:55 PM, Sassy Romano said:Exavor Diesel wrote:Why can't LL do more to combat griefers? Not only is it a major annoyance, it can also be very costly too! Now I need to buy a new graphics card before it dies completely.
It should be capable of running flat out all day long with proper cooling. If it's not capable of that then it's not fit for purpose.
Blame the victim. It's the computer's fault that it freezes up because of excessive particles. I know how this thread will go
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25 minutes ago, Beth Macbain said:
Are you unable to hit the X in the upper right corner of your screen?
Logging into SL is consensual.
Harassment, pushing, bullying is not. And there is a TOS that addresses this. Pretty simplistic there.
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2 hours ago, Syo Emerald said:
But he is correct in his interpretation, where as yours is more a long the lines of "I wish it would mean that".
Yes, there might be sims, that also allow you to show up naked, but they are in private ownership. You need to know the place, to know its specific rules. And even they, those rules could change on a whim or the place itself just vanishes. Freedom from harassment can't be guaranteed anywhere on SL, as soon as you have the potential chance of encountering another person.
I'm not saying the threads should be deleted (never mentioned to terminate the entire forum), but locked down, so people can't comment.
Have to agree to disagree on people not being able to comment. If this has been going on for years, then the issue isn't closed
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9 minutes ago, Matty Luminos said:
Linden Lab can only moderate when someone submits an Abuse Report. It likely won't be dealt with quickly enough to stop it happenning at the time, but if the TOS is being broken, they will eventually act on it.
In the meantime, yes, it is 100% your own responsibility to keep yourself safe. If you don't feel safe at the adult ones, try setting home in a moderate one. Or join one of the newbie groups and set home on their land. Both the Firestorm Gateway and the Shelter have "set home here" spots, and the land in both of these places is moderated. There are plenty of others too. Just look in Search for "Set Home spot".
When I first started talking about this issue, I was talking about how it would be for a new user to be teleported in an area where there are script kiddies, griefers, trolls etc. And this area does attract quite a number of them. I have blocked and de rendered them and it's a long list.
I know how to protect myself and will move freely in Second Life. If there is a chronic problem with this type of thing in a public area where anyone can be diverted and it's reported, the area should be looked at more closely. I don't need a newbie area but I do think that if this kind of thing is going on, for the sake of new users, it should be cleaned up.
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1 hour ago, cheesecurd said:
Nothing, nobody, and there are no laws on it.
SL for all legal purposes is private and has their own rules, and as such the users are not protected under any hate speech or discrimination laws so long as LL isn’t actively endorsing it themselves.
If this was a child safe platform it may fall under those laws but SL is definitely not going to be COPPA compliant any time soon.
So I guess TOS is only there in name only and there is absolutely no reason to put this in writing whether or not there are children involved? Why bother with a TOS then?
"6.1 You will not post or transmit prohibited Content, including any Content that is illegal, harassing or violates any person's rights.
You agree that you will not:
(i) Post, display, or transmit Content that violates any law or the rights of any third party, including without limitation Intellectual Property Rights. We reserve the right to request at any time proof of permissions in a form acceptable to us. Failure to provide such proof may lead to, among other things, removal of such Content from the Service;
(ii) Impersonate any person or entity without their consent, or otherwise misrepresent your affiliation, or if you are an adult, impersonate a minor for the purpose of interacting with a minor using the Service;
(iii) Stalk, harass, or engage in any sexual, suggestive, lewd, lascivious, or otherwise inappropriate conduct with minors on the Service;
(iv) Post, display, or transmit Content (including any communication(s) with employees of Linden Lab) that is harmful, threatening or harassing, defamatory, libelous, false, inaccurate, misleading, or invades another person's privacy;
(v) Post, display, or transmit Content that is obscene, hateful, involves terrorism, or is racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable; or
(vi) Post, display or transmit any Content or conduct or host any activity that is sexually explicit, or intensely violent.
Any violation by you of the terms of this Section may result in immediate termination of your Accounts without any refund or other compensation."
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6 minutes ago, Beth Macbain said:
I've never been to a safe hub! You're saying I can get sexually harassed at one? For free? LM, please!
Go ahead. If you ask for it, it's consensual. If not, it's unwelcome and it's harassment. Okay?
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30 minutes ago, Orwar said:
That's a pretty narrow and squiggly definition of 'harassment'. Good thing your opinion and the actual rules are two very different things.
Don't think so. If it's unprovoked and you are called something derogatory or accosted by a group of people, it's harassment. Plain and simple.
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1 minute ago, Lyssa Greymoon said:
Safe hubs seem to be a mix of bots standing around when they relog after a crash and people who hang out there all the time talking to each other in the voice enabled ones. You can probably stand around acting like a bot for hours and no one will notice.
I've noticed that there are an awful lot of bodies and no one is talking
You see the teleport area and bodies are piling in.
And I have stood around as an object of some type and no one notices because often times no one is really there....LOL
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47 minutes ago, Syo Emerald said:
I never said anyone should accept harassment. I was talking about statistics. Like...you can't create a place where you will never ever run the risk of encountering harassment or hate speech or aynthing offensive. As soon as you let people in, there is a chance for that.
What should that lawsuit be about? Who should ever start it and based on what laws?
And as for states of undress. Whether private or public I've never been expelled for being nude by mistake. If I insist on being nude in a general or moderate Sim then I can expect action on it then.
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18 minutes ago, Syo Emerald said:
I never said anyone should accept harassment. I was talking about statistics. Like...you can't create a place where you will never ever run the risk of encountering harassment or hate speech or aynthing offensive. As soon as you let people in, there is a chance for that.
What should that lawsuit be about? Who should ever start it and based on what laws?
Hate speech is still protected in the United States but many international internet companies have agreed to do something since laws do vary internationally. There may come a day when LL will have to do something about it. Personally I have de rendered individuals partaking in this kind of conduct. Since Second Life is international in scope, I really think it should be more pro-active on this issue.
"Internet
Main article: Online hate speechOn May 31, 2016, Facebook, Google, Microsoft, and Twitter, jointly agreed to a European Union code of conduct obligating them to review "[the] majority of valid notifications for removal of illegal hate speech" posted on their services within 24 hours.[105]
Prior to this in 2013, Facebook, with pressure from over 100 advocacy groups including the Everyday Sexism Project, agreed to change their hate speech policies after data released regarding content that promoted domestic and sexual violence against women led to the withdrawal of advertising by 15 large companies.[106][107]
Many extremist organizations[which?] disseminate hate speech by publishing posts that act as prompts. Content analysis algorithms catch obvious hate speech but cannot pick up covert hate speech. Therefore, though an original post may technically adhere to hate speech policy, the ideas the post conveys prompts readers to use the comment section to spread overt hate speech. These sections are not monitored as heavily as main posts.[108]""
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17 minutes ago, Syo Emerald said:
But he is correct in his interpretation, where as yours is more a long the lines of "I wish it would mean that".
Yes, there might be sims, that also allow you to show up naked, but they are in private ownership. You need to know the place, to know its specific rules. And even they, those rules could change on a whim or the place itself just vanishes. Freedom from harassment can't be guaranteed anywhere on SL, as soon as you have the potential chance of encountering another person.
I'm not saying the threads should be deleted (never mentioned to terminate the entire forum), but locked down, so people can't comment.
Harassment in my mind is hate speech whether it be against women, minorities or those with different sexual preferences. Things go on at Safe Hub which aren't acceptable. It's in LL best interest to keep an eye on these places because there may come a day when they see a lawsuit because of the actions or words of a troll.
Of course when you interact with different people you are going to disagree on things but hate speech and harassment are things that no one should be expected to tolerate anywhere, even SL.
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11 hours ago, Matty Luminos said:
On the occasions I've been landless and needed to set home at an infohub, I usually did so somewhere out of the way; on the roof or in an otherwise deserted corner, and kept my camera view directed away from the crowds.
Also (on Firestorm) you can set preferences to just not render objects like this, thus protecting your graphics card.
So it's the hapless person who gets diverted to Safe Hub or the resident without a home that has to alter their experience on Second Life in order to avoid this type of thing instead of there being some type of supervision or moderation on these Linden Parcels. They are supposed to be open to everyone and free to use by everyone not just the script kiddies. I'm an average resident and I can't even run simple scripts (dance hud) on these parcels and yet all this is going on unchecked.
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4 hours ago, MarissaOrloff said:
Chum Buckets are a great way to describe info hubs.
You came up with the best description for these places, especially if a new resident happens to be diverted to one. They are prey.
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4 hours ago, MarissaOrloff said:
Chum Buckets are a great way to describe info hubs.
Yes, the sharks prey on people who are diverted there when their usual spots are closed. Chum bucket is an excellent description.
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2 hours ago, Syo Emerald said:
Because the forum (sadly) doesn't close threads down automatically.
Actually I think it's a good thing that the forum didn't shut down. I think that people should be aware of this. I was teleported randomly into Safe Hub when the sim I usually go to was closed. It's only fair to know what to expect when you enter these Sims. At least you can protect yourself. Too bad something wasn't and isn't done about it.
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45 minutes ago, Matty Luminos said:
The term "Safe" was never intended to imply that its safe for visitors. Safe hubs are on Adult land whereas Info hubs are on Moderate or General land. Safe in this context means that no matter what state of dress (or undress) you happen to be in, you'll not be breaking any rules if you get randomly sent there.
There are many Sims that give a little leeway on states of undress so I don't agree with your interpretation. I think "safe" implies free from pushing and overly obnoxious particles. Also, should imply freedom from harassment.
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This reply is a few years later and I'm surprised that the thread is open still. I have been diverted to "Safe Hub" on a number of occasions and it still attracts trolls, griefers, script kiddies and people that harass others on voice. You can only block them and/or report each incident with as much documentation as possible. Best not to engage them because you could be the one on the incident report.
There are some Linden parcels that are almost deserted but without the voice option. Might be a blessing in disguise as there are some very angry, ugly people lurking around places like "Safe Hub".
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1 minute ago, Selene Gregoire said:
LL already does that.
SL is NOT a game. It is a creative platform where your imagination is your only limit within the TOS.
Whatever. Moderate and General zones free should be inclusive. Adult zones for over 18. I know that it isn't just a game but you would think that including a younger cohort would be an investment. Last post on this. You will be talking to air from now on.
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15 minutes ago, Qie Niangao said:
See? This is what I mean. Folks all worked up, already clutching a torch in one hand and pitchfork in the other, determined to find a way to somehow be a victim. Oh, muh PRIVACY!
All over nothing.
Sure, LL bobbled the ball on this, but honest to god, why are so many SL users so... ridiculous?
I didn't get that it was for taking money OUT when I was reading the announcement. It wasn't clear to me. Not everyone has time to go to these town hall meetings. I just put some money into my account to spend on products, venues etc. so I was concerned.
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Safe Hubs = Unsafe Hubs?
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I do and will continue to do so.