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Some do, but most people who play kid avatars in my experience play them exlusively. IMO, mixing adult and child content on the same account especially things people can see (profiles / picks / groups) etc looks dodgy.

I agree, perception is everything in matters like these. People need to be very careful about what they say as things being mistaken for others things, even if there was no ill intent, can have very bad consequences for those affected. There shoud be no confusion where it comes to child avatars and adult activities. It's one of the main reasons I play as a 9 year old boy. No one could look at my avatar and think I'm anything but a child. I think if you have an avatar that is borderline then that is very dangerous.

Which is in no way appropriate for child avatars, even older ones such as teens as yourself.

Might still do, don't you dare take away my WiFi! 😄 Joking of course.

There are lots of HUDs like that for families in SL. Starries is one, Parents Little Helper was another awhile back. For example, Starries has a hand hold feature which makes the child avatar follow the parent. There are also pick up and carry options and things like time outs and treats and rewards. My SL mom can give me stickers or rez out snacks and drinks via the HUD.

I think so, for example, if boys have a chest modesty layer then I suspect you will see boys on the beach or at pools wearing those swimsuit material UV / surfer top rash vests from now on to hide the modesty layer. Not through anything malicious but because we don't all want to look like clones.

Someone else, I forget now, suggested the idea of a child avatar account that you had to subscribe to like premium so that all your info would be on file.

Yes, although you don't want a t-shirt style as that would break tank top mesh or any t-shirt which had shorter arms. Similarly boxer style underwear would break a lot of ballet leotards, babies onesie and even some swimwear - breaking the thong style swimwear is actually a good thing come to think of it. So ideally we want something people can look at and go, yep that's reasonable, but nothing so extreme it breaks everything.

True, but in practise there are child avatars that can be sized to either be very clearly prepubescent with a totally flat undeveloped chest, but which can quickly be changed to be very much so if they're aged up.

Keeping things on topic - what do people think the modesty layers should be? It was mentioned much earlier in the thread but didn't really get much traction other than everyone agreeing that LL needed to clarify things and set very clear expectations and examples for creators. We know they will be releasing guidance soon so maybe a deeper discussion would be beneficial? I personally think the most practical solution would be brief style underwear and a vest style tank top for both boys and girls. Briefs because both boys and girls wear them so it would be unisex and because it would be much easier to implement and police. It would mean boys wouldnt be able to be topless at the beach etc but I don't know how you implement it in any other meaningful way considering there aren't really boy or girl avatars for this age range - they're just all female bodies. What do people think?

It's probably a less severe form of nudity. In RL people in the UK would react very differently to a child in a swimsuit next to a woman wearing bikini bottoms but nothing up top compared to the same scenario but with a fully nude man.

I play a child avatar and I agree. There are lots of perfectly legal things parents and kids do together in RL but which wouldn't be appropriate for SL. My SL mom would just be like - gives you bath and then gets you ready for bed. That whole part is skipped and then it's tuck in time in my kid bed which only has kid friendly animations. It isn't a PG bed, it's a bed specifically designed for kid avatars. PG furniture is often just adult furniture with the explicit animations removed.

Discussing why LL are making the changes is pretty much pointless. It goes back to sim owners being able to ban who they want for whatever reason, but on a larger scale. LL can change the TOS at any point for any reason and they did. They might even do more.... The changes, though, are broadly a good thing. Protecting adult avatars on Adult land is a good thing. Similarly, LL added a load of protections to child avatars so it's even easier to AR those that try to be involved in things they shouldn't be, whether that be adult avatars, child avatars or both. Has there been any update on what the modesty layers will need to be?

Thanks for the tip.

I don't think you can equate a begger and a pedo talking suggestively to a child avatar. In my experience.... I just froze. My brain literally couldn't deal with the shock of what was happening. It probably has to do with my own childhood. One moment I was minding my own business, the next I was recieving this onslaught of .... I can't even describe it. Eventually my brain rebooted and I blocked and AR'ed them but it wasn't easy peasy like you describe.

I honestly think this is all very reasoanble. Someone earlier mentioned accounts specifically designated as child avatar accounts. I wouldn't be opposed to those if it meant transfering my current account to that status, less so if it meant starting all over again. LL could make a child avatar with all the built in protections, but as I've said previously, I think they're reluctant to do that because the optics would be terrible if something were to happen with a body they had made and endorsed as safe.

In those circumstances, no, I fully agree. Trust me, no one hates those bad kid avatars more than genuine kid avatars who want nothing to do with that stuff. I gurantee it. However, to say that kid avatars can never be victimised in SL is not true. I know it's not true because I have experienced it. I posted about it earlier. For context, my avatar is a 9 year old boy, I was fully clothed at the time, alphas and everything and I was on a G sim in a public shopping mall aimed at kids. I can still remember very vividly to this day even years later their avatar and how they approached me. Next came the IMs and suggestive talk about the sort of things they wanted to do to me. I obviously AR'ed them straight away and thankfully never saw them again, so having experienced something so sickening please don't tell me that things like that don't happen.

I forgot to mention. Chest wise it is yet to be seen whether boys will need a modesty layer as well. I only mention that because pretty much all child avatars are built around the much smaller female body. The way kid avatars my age (9) differentiate themselves is throguh things like names, clothing, shapes, hair and makeup etc. So in reality it would be very hard to have 1 type of modesty layers for boys and another for girls on the same avatar.

Well I can't exactly show you.... but literally as a boy you would see nothing on the front, just completely flat with no texture any different to the rest of the skin. If I was nude (I never have been nor will I ever) you'd see my bottom. So the major difference between the current skins for kids is now there will be underpants covering the rear. On the front all you're doing is replacing a peach (insert any other skin tone) colour for a white/black/blue/red whatever underwear texture.

Indeed, and I wouldn't say it has been 200 pages of whining. The majority of it has been sensible and civil discussion. Maybe people just keep trying to get a reaction out of us, but it's not worked?

Madi and I aren't talking about bits. We're talking about kids skins that apart from not having a modesty layer don't actully show anthing and already resemble barbie dolls. The only difference between the skins will be the modesty layer. I agree with you about genitalia not being on kid's clothing.

In Madi's case that isn't an option as the person who created the skins for her avatar is no longer in SL. Her body will never be updated either.

Without looking through my purchasing history I won't know for sure but I estimate I'm going to lose between L$5000-L$6000 in skins if the modesty layers can't be implemented in such a way that old ones are useable while being complaint with the new rules. One skin was a super rare gacha (when they were a thing) and cost me L$1800 alone.

I wouldn't say punished but it also doesn't sit entirely right either. Luna Bliss and I discussed this much earlier in the thread.

They don't have to be mutally exclusive.