Stella Davros
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1 hour ago, Beth Macbain said:
And, lord, we thank you for that. Not for not becoming a reseller, but for the stuff you make... rubs her sore bottom...
Ds makes some of the highest quality (and most fun!) stuff on the grid. This creator sure as hell doesn't need to scrape together a few thousand Lindens by selling hyper-inflated "rares" on the MP.*this is not a paid endorsement
Do I have this conveyor thing right? I walk up to a machine that has 10 items in it. I want item #1, but the only item I can buy is #3. #1 may or may not pop up for sale after I, or some other schmuck, buys #3. Am I missing something? I want to buy a thing and the machine won't allow me to buy the thing I want unless I buy things I don't want first? And even then there is no guarantee that the thing I want will ever actually pop up for sale? Oh hell no.
This is one of the stupidest ideas I've ever heard. Is it going to be allowed? Apparently. Why in every single hell would anyone think this is a good selling tactic, though? What is enticing about this? Just sell me the damn thing I want, and since I'm not focused on one single machine, I might even look around the shop and find more things I want to buy.
Any creator that employs this goofy system will never, ever see a single L$ from me.
Make quality shizz. Put a fair price tag on it. Sell item. Anything else is just a ploy to foist off low quality merch on people with poor impulse control.grumbles and goes to climb back into her Port Royal bed
Alternative: go to buy from a shop that fit for you , simple and easy!!!
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2 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:
Has anyone read the blog post? The didn't say they got rid of gachas because of anyone's gambling addiction. If someone, somewhere decides to regulate cartoon sex, they may need to do.something about that. Not because of they care about anyone's addiction but because they don't want to run afoul of any laws or potential laws/lawsuits. No one cares what you are or are not addicted to.
Due to a changing regulatory climate, we’ve had to make the difficult decision to sunset a very popular sales mechanism for content in Second Life. It’s widely known as "gacha", and is defined by a chance-based outcome as a result of a payment.
Exactly get rid of gachas= pay money for have random items
Conveyor belt = you know what are you buyng
That's why they said that is fine....they don t talk about addiction cause in any platform nobody care , as well they dont care if u want item 1 instead of item 10 cause you have other ways for have it, just here we start to talk of addictions and trust there is many addictions worst than gacha
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Just now, Rowan Amore said:
But LL doesn't need, at this time, to regulate any of
Ok so because nobody have to regulate means that all is ok....and btw they said it s importante to know what you buy, and the belt system let you know what are you buying and if u don t wanna buy it because is not what you want you can buy later on on MP.....LL don t care if u want the item 1 instead of item 10......also because for have item 1 u have multiple choices buy from the machine or buy the full set or buy the item u want from MP
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1 minute ago, Silent Mistwalker said:
All I am going to say is this, substituting one addiction for another doesn't help recovery.
There is a lot of people addicted in sl and not for the gacha only......
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2 minutes ago, Alwin Alcott said:
i mean nothing what you seem to think. But a company lawyer is no law maker, but only advising how and when to implement new or changed laws. And a controlling job to prevent the company getting in trouble for things that are not compying to national and interntional laws. They decide totally nothing.
Even somebody with Suit's experience would know how that works.But I think that before to post that this "belt" is allowed the lawyer probably advice them if can be possible or not and the think is "now you can buy what you see"
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1 minute ago, Alwin Alcott said:
no because LL lawyers are no THE law.. they only advice what LL should do. And i'm nearly 100% sure they have no single clue about scripting.
So u mean LL lab lawyers they don t have idea of what they are saying? But just to inform you that LL have different team who talk eachother before to take some action
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2 minutes ago, Finite said:
I think you just fail to understand that other people have a different view than you do.
Nooo the point is that who was playing gacha are addicted junkies obtuse dump stupid with mental problems....the rest are doctors lawyers teachers but they still did not get that conveyor or whatever is another way to sell stuff if u don t wanna play u can just don t play and thats it
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53 minutes ago, Aria Fae said:
Yeah they might "SEE" whats available to buy ... but they have zero control over what appears on that conveyor belt ... and if it only shows ten items and all ten need to be purchased before it randomises another ten ... what's to stop creators from hiding the rare or the optical illusion that the rare will be number 11.... and if you only want item number 9 on the current selection.. if someone has to purchase 1 through 8 on the belt before you can get number 9... then yeah
U will have 3 options :
- buy like the belt show
- buy the entire set
- buy one specific item later on MP
the problem of gacha was that was entirely random....but like this u have a choice...actually 3 choices it s just another way to do market, nobody force nobody so as u see u have all the possibility to gain what u want
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@Patch Lindeni would like to say that this thread became ridicoulous, it's quiet offensive to read that all the people who like to play gacha or somenthing similar are classified as "addicted" "junkies" or "unable to do math" , here people judge even you as CEO, and i think this is not the purpose of this thread , for the conveyor belt i think that is a good idea cause like this the customers will know in advance what item they will buy and will have the ability to choose if buy it or not, it would be great if into the vendor could be implemented the option to buy the entire set for the price that the creator considers "fair" ( considering the fact that the items are resalable and the number of items of the set too, example DRD was doing that if u don t wanna play with the machine you could buy the entire set for 7000L) , this is only my advice, of course LL will take the decision, for the rest i hope that this thread have to be closed soon and keep only the update open, people are losing the control of the words.....regards
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4 hours ago, Prokofy Neva said:
That's why I think the new "conveyor" vendor will not benefit events because there will be more people waiting in line, staying longer, on laggier sims, and more of a demand for cam sims to be put out, which is limited to the sides of a sim, and which gets expensive. So that means having to rent sims for longer periods for events, I don't see how they will make this work, too many costs.
They are much better for individual stores, and smaller, permanent malls, and that's a good thing in my view as it drives traffic back to those original creators and their associations rather than just benefits middlemen.
The creators of this machine clearly said that is fitte for stores and not for events, for me at events they have to use one hud combine with this machine where everybody can play at same time like this
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13 hours ago, Irina Forwzy said:
Perfect coding world. I know how some coders work however. I expect lag issues and glitches. More than likely with the first few machines and events. I do see a refinement eventually though.
But this machine will be used only into stores and not in a events as the creator said into his post on flickr....for the event they still working on it...personally i suggested to use an hud combine with this machine like this everybody can play at same time
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1 hour ago, Chris Nova said:
Can you creators just stop trying to find ways to get around the gacha ban? Make it easy and just sell packs? There’s no need to be this stupidly complicated about it. We just wanna buy stuff. We don’t wanna jump through hoops, wait in line, or whatever else you think is “creative and fun”. We just wanna walk up, buy it, and walk away. Please stop the insanity.
So don t buy gacha then!!! There is many events where to buy normally and if not go and buy after from the MP, for me cnveyor belt will work.....the market is like this if u want buy if not....next please
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3 minutes ago, xAmbiguityx said:
. Second Life was designed as a creative and open world experience to meet and develop relationships. Second Life first and foremost will always be place of social hijinks and creativity
Yes, where for be cool in secondlife you have to pay a lot of money for everything cause for example if you try to go into one land with a noob avatar even they will not let you enter....i repeat once again you have right because you described the spirit of SL but is not what happen for real
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6 minutes ago, xAmbiguityx said:
They probably should be updated to a rarity of 20%, but overall that's what we have now. As for adapting the rules to the conveyer belt, the other big issue with this "new" process is that it is likely to be banned too. Creators pushing for this system are just trying to put a Band-Aid on their income-hit. We'll be right back at square one, with people attempting to find work-arounds only for them to be highly likely to be considered illegal later. The biggest issue is that creators need to go back to their old ways and let this die with dignity and be thankful gachas were allowed for far longer than they should have been.
Morally u have absolutely right....but if everybody think about that will be no business in any platforms, there is no addiction only in gachas, there is addiction in all here in SL, people don t buy food cause they have to run to buy new head or body or go to an event ..... the sadly truth is that here there is companies, creators,small business, that want to get money!! and gachas, event, shops, no devil, excetera are just other ways to get money and this will never stop , so it s not only gacha the problem , after u see people running for buy the lelutka head because is hd pro or even don t sleep for have the priority for join in an event , there is people who like play gachas and this must to be respected from the others and not to judge the people like junkies or whatever , if someone don t like this kind of game ? Cool there is plenty of shops or events where someone can go.....this is my opinion in general , and if someone find the solution why instead to put s**t over we could find the way for make all this working good for creators , buyers, reseller?? As i said before your words have sense and logick
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14 minutes ago, xAmbiguityx said:
I am well aware but that doesn't take the predatory nature out of it. I'm honestly not sure why you're arguing if you want to by Gachas do so, but for others that have a dependency on them - they need to be regulated or removed. In my most recent Gachas I set them to fair play so duplicated purchases are less likely and I have strict standards for how I set their rarity. Please see below my following requirements, I wrote these for an event I own and operate named [Mod]ify. I created these rules in the spirit of fairness and created any new gacha with them in mind so I would be compliant with our own rules for the event. Clearly we will no longer needs these rules since gachas are banned, but the point stands.
Advertisements & Display Images
1.) All machines must be clearly marked - meaning they must show all items on their advertisement image.
2.) Vendors must number or utilize an identification system on their advertisements to properly portray what can be won.
Vendors must put a "total number" of items on the advertisement. Ex: "This machine contains # items!!"
3.) Vendors must properly display their rarity chances. Customers must be able to see and access percentage chances. In Caspervend uncheck the "Disable "Prizes" button on the touch menu. If you are not using Caspervend, you must use a system that properly displays accurate percentage chances.
General Standards
All gacha machines, both new and old must abide by the following rules:
1.) All items in every gacha machine must be sold with modify permissions enabled.
*Excluding scripts.
2.) Each gacha machine may contain no more than 50 items.
3.) All machines must be no more than L$100 PER play.
4.) All machines must be original content - prefabricated content will not be allowed.
5.) Rarities levels are limited to: Common, Uncommon, and Rare.
6.) Fatpacks must be sold for each gacha machine at the event.
7.) All items should work and be functional as stand-alone products.
Fatpack Guidelines
All fatpacks for gacha machines must abide by the following:
1.) Include all items advertised in the gacha, all rarities should be contained within the fatpack.
2.) Fatpack permissions on gachas must be Modify / Copy / No Transfer.
3.) Use a provided formula to calculate their final price fatpack. A(B*2)=X, formula as explained below.
Fatpack Pricing Formula
*Note: Fatpack pricing is allowed to be lower than the calculated price of the machine.
Formula Base: A ( B * 2 ) = X
X = Fat Pack Value.
A = Items in Machine.
B = Price Per Play.
C = (Y*2)
Example:
X= ? || A = 50 || B = 100
( 100 * 2 ) = 200
50 * 200 = L$10,000
Rarity Levels
Gacha machines can have up to three rarity levels.
Drop Chance || Level
1.) Common || 60%
2.) Uncommon || 30%
3.) Rare || 10%
This is good and fair...this rules could be implemented and adapted into the new rules for the conveyor belt as well
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2 minutes ago, xAmbiguityx said:
Those fatpacks are worth the price and I for one have bought a couple of their fatpacks. In the end it's still more affordable than continuously gambling on the chance to get the item you want as illustrated in my example a few pages back. I'll attach the below again. This customer played my gacha 47 times in the span of 5 minutes before purchasing the fatpack. So they essentially spent 50% more than the amount they could have just purchased the fatpack for - which they still purchased in the end. Some people do struggle with gambling it is an addiction/disease and the amount of pushback from creators endorsing predatory systems clearly shows us they have a vested interest in taking advantage of that.
But in every machine u can set up how many time the machine have to give the rare and all the rest....and this is a creator consciousness to set up the machine honestly
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5 minutes ago, Sam1 Bellisserian said:
Wholesale, my dear is typically cheaper but you probably won't get that.
Cheaper? Wholesale u will never buy 1 piece that u want but u have to buy stock dear
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7 minutes ago, Leigh Tharnaby said:
Don't worry, some creators are planning to do that.
Not so funny now, is it?
For me it s ok i mean if u want the whole fatpack and the set whort is a good price...look at DRD if u want 1 set no transfer about 7000L if not spin or trade or whatever and u pay 75L each item
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4 minutes ago, xAmbiguityx said:
All of my products are Copy and Modify unless they are a Gacha. If the items are a Gacha they are Modify/Transfer unless I have used a voucher system for redemption. Redeemable Gachas are transferable but once you collect the item they become no copy/modify/no transfer. For some items HUDs are available, for most it all just comes in a bundle and you can click through it, it really depends on the nature of the item.
No for hud i mean implemented into the new system for buy gachas or whatever they are called
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2 minutes ago, Sam1 Bellisserian said:
Tell me again why creators can't simply put prices on things and sell them?
Common - 100L
Uncommon - 500L
Rare - 2000L
All examples of course. Will no one buy the Common and only buy the rares which would make them not rare anymore?
Cause there is a marketplace around... put fixed price and u can choice what you want then will have no sense to do all this.....gachas in the end is like wholesale and LL gain money every transaction made on MP , so it s ok if u can choice to buy the whole set no transfer at x price but if someone want to pay 75L and choose all what they want sound ridicolous so if u wanna pay 75L u can choose what the vendor give u in that moment with the option that one day u can resell or trade otherwise buy the entire set i don t know at 3500L for example
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5 minutes ago, Komarimono said:
You're kinda admitting with your sarcastic post, it's always been about greed.
And I've happily paid a heft price for items I feel were worth it. I've so many mesh heads, and I think we know how much those cost on average. I've purchased nearly every mesh body to exist for feminine looks. And I think we know the cost of those. When it comes to hair I like, and love the style? I'll always get the Fatpack over a standard color.
I mean, I've spent thousands upon thousands of $L just for building. Tons of cave sets, Sc-Fi sets, tons of trees, buildings etc. Vehicles. But ya know what? I paid the high price, since the products I felt were great in support and quality.
I was jocking.....btw of course could be implemented the option to buy the whole set obviously no transfer
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4 minutes ago, Silent Mistwalker said:
Ahahahaha was a joke obviously ahahahahha but they can put an option for buy the fatpack no transfer
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3 minutes ago, Stella Davros said:
Sorry i did not saw the part of the fatpack....and I agree with that, they can put an option that u can buy the whole set no transfer at x lindens, but first they have to do the script for makin work....i suggested to do somenthing like it was hud for the event "pocket gacha" you can find the video on youtube if u don t know and in that hud was the option to buy the entire full set too.... they have just to modify couple of things like for who want to spin the hud have to show you what is coming next thats all even with that hud u don t need to go to the event but u can buy wherever u want so no lag as well
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1 hour ago, xAmbiguityx said:
I didn't miss the part where you can sell or trade the copies, however you may have missed the part where I stated I include fatpack versions for L$3,000 - so all content is accessible without the need to trade or gamble. Though I may be the only one of several creators that do this it is still an option. I personally do not see a lot of return value on reselling Gachas, a majority of users resell them anywhere from 50%-90% off their original values just to get cash back. That is of course unless they got a rare, which they then markup to usually L$1000 or more. Additionally using my redacted customer for example - this would mean they must attempt to sell all 47 copies of my gacha that they purchased for the same amount. Other customers will be doing this as well and resellers tend to undercut each other by a significant amount. So why buy from the reseller if they don't have a rare unless its an item you really wanted, they will likely come directly to my stall/store and take a risk themselves OR they'll see that I have a fatpack and skip playing the gacha completely.
Sorry i did not saw the part of the fatpack....and I agree with that, they can put an option that u can buy the whole set no transfer at x lindens, but first they have to do the script for makin work....i suggested to do somenthing like it was hud for the event "pocket gacha" you can find the video on youtube if u don t know and in that hud was the option to buy the entire full set too.... they have just to modify couple of things like for who want to spin the hud have to show you what is coming next thats all
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For me as I said already if someone will take the same hud system of "pocket gacha" u can find here : https://www.google.com/search?q=pocket+gacha+hud&prmd=svin&sxsrf=ALeKk02nlGi6noudsV9rDIKkKIhzWrOOjQ:1628598606509&source=lnms&tbm=vid&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjBmLDLuqbyAhWC66QKHQuzCmYQ_AUoAnoECAIQAg&biw=384&bih=669
will be no queue at all.....is working like this: who organize the event will put into the hud all the vendors and will create a token for buy the items (1 token= 1Linden) and the customers could buy the tokens at the event or into the creators stores, once start the event all the people can buy from any point of secondlife and can go at the event where can find and try the demos , so is pretty simple, the main script already exist , just someone have to implement on that script the belt or whatever will be and making working individual, as well they can put otion to buy the entire set too....for me will be a good idea as at less will be 100% no queue at all and even will be no queue for join the events