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Qwalyphi Korpov wrote:Staralien wrote:in the initial post: "The situation:You are in your apartment sharing an intimate moment with a friend and someone cams into your apartment and takes photos of you and then sends them to a third party."in message 26 of this thread: "I said they had an intimate moment in aPGhot tub (I clarified it was PG in a later post and were cuddling, and should have initially)..."in message 57 of this thread "...The incident this thread is about didn't involve sex in any form what so ever, yet people have made it about sex..."
So please stop complaining about a situation you yourself created. You said a photograph of an intimate moment was shared without any indication that it's PG. This leads people to discuss how it could relate to the TOS because you make your subject "Privacy and TOS." That discussion is focused on sex because the TOS items people associate with privacy mostly are about sex. Now after the fact you clarify what you wanted to discuss initially. Fine. The discussion is already going and you can't have a do-over of the thread by restating your issue. It's not all about you.If I haven't been clear enough: You made it about sex with your vague statement of your issue.I suppose you have never blundered about trying to communicate with the written word and not made yourself clear from the get go? I should have not been in the heat of the moment when I made my intial post, and I should have written the post better and been more clear. My mistake. Thank you for you input.
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Phil Deakins wrote:Ok. Names are still being suggested, so I'm going to make my suggestion. There are many truly nice people in the forum but I'm going to name the one who I gave a clue about in my first post, when I said that she is "sweet". Her name is 16 - sweet 16.I can't recall ever seeing her be anything other than nice (and often humorous). Even when she is writing something negative about someone, she always writes it in a nice and helpful way.
This is who I had in mind when I started this thread. 16 is the nicest person here in MHO.
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I manage my property with a pretty strict hand and I have staff. If any one not living there tries to rez, I would know about it pretty quickly. A lot of people seem to have trouble joining the group as they have trouble finding the signs, even when they go into the rental office and use the phone in front of it to leave me a message. So joining group appears not to be all that easy even though I have tried to make it so. One land owner suggested that I have designated roles for tenants in group so others that want to be in my group can do so, but not have the same rights as tenants. I furnish my homes and I set every stick of furniture to group access. I have a long list of rules that they get upon rental as well as them being posted on signs. I have looked at other communities and no one has as many rules as I do. For the most part, people follow them. The incident this thread is about didn't involve sex in any form what so ever, yet people have made it about sex. The couple shared some cuddling (intimacy) in a PG hot tub and someone else wanting to cause drama took pictures without their permission. I realize that privacy in an apartment community is impossible and so do my tenants and that is the risk they take by choosing to live in an apartment, My whole point was the fact that pictures were taken without permission by camming into the apartment (which is against the rules) and attempting to cause drama.
As for my land being moderate, I have visited numerous communities on moderate land and groups are open and sex beds are present. Even general sims, like the popular role play family sims have sex beds. I was shocked at that, but maybe the owners were not aware, or maybe they don't care. Shrug.
In any case, my property is a housing community. People are told to keep their private affairs behind closed doors and they do. No one is allowed to run an escort service (prostitution) out of their homes. If this were to ever happen, the place is policed enough I would find out and evict. I don't have a club. Everything is kept clean, legal and as safe as I can make it for people. Child avis are not allowed. Other communities allow it as I have checked, but I choose to err on the side of caution and when people show up with children in tow, I refer them some place else. I have lost tenants because I won't allow child avis.If all they have are prim babies, that is fine.
In any case, I am assuming most people are adults if they have been age verified to even visit moderate land. If I should happen to find out that someone is underage, then I would have no choice but to evict them. But unless I have proof somehow, I can only take people at their word and the fact they were able to land there in the first place.
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Wow.
I hadn't even really noticed the ads that much as they really are not intrusive or annoying. Ads bring in revenue. Revenue can only benefit SL., which is a good thing. With so many companies across the world closing and the economy so bad in so many places, kudos to LL for coming up with a way to bring in money rather then ending basic accounts and forcing people to pay or get out, raising tier fees or membership fees, or increasing the amount they take from merchants for allowing them to use their site to sell their stuff. I really hope the ads work for them. For those who don't like it..shop in-world or stop shopping. :matte-motes-wink:
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Malanya, I am not misunderstanding any of the posts. I am just expanding on my thoughts on all of this and just having a "conversation" and I am enjoying the comments and the nice things others are saying about people. I implied I was talking about on person, and in truth I was. But as the postings went on, seems to me it just expanded to include a lot of people. So what is wrong with that? If anyone does try to make anyone feel bad in this thread, well that is on them. I was not referring to this thread in that comment but in postings in the forums in general when some people apear to be attacking someone else for whatever. Yes there are a variety of opinions, advice, etc and that is to be expected and desirable. But sometimes, well surely it is not my imagination when one poster goes off on another now and then. If that has never happened here, then maybe it was my imagination?
There is no mystery or ulterior motives other than I wanted to start a thread about a nice person. By not naming them, I see that I have left that open to everyone thinking of one person after another that it could be, and I don't see that as being a bad thing. Only good can come from thinking well of others. Some people are super nice all the time. I wish I could always be like that, but I do have my moments when my patience is strained beyond endurance. But some, they just seem almost saintly and at the very least, no matter the situation, always treat others with kindness. So, why can't we give some credit to that and just have a happy little thread celebrating some good people? :matte-motes-smile:
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Communication on forums or in chat is the hardest way to communicate. Without facial expressions and body language, what we type can be mis-read. As for diversity, I embrace that as I think it takes all kinds of people to make up the world. But often, it is easier to see the bad in people rather than their good qualities. I thought it would be nice to post good things about people for a change rather than having a topic that can be misunderstood or give people a reason to be divided or excluded or to feel bad. But then, I suppose even this one can be mis-understood. :matte-motes-big-grin:
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Storm Clarence wrote:One of the nicest, kindest, warmest, intelligent, and sincere people I have ever had the privilege to meet on this forum, and call her a friend, was Sole Demina.PS Too bad I somehow screwed-up that friendship. My loss, and it is a big one.
Storm, as long as you are breathing, there is a chance to fix things. Everyone makes mistakes. It is when you learn from them and are sorry that forgiveness can happen.
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Drake this is a perfect example of people misunderstanding or missing the point of something. I said nothing about people having sex or using adult things. I said they had an intimate moment in a PG hot tub (I clarified it was PG in a later post and were cuddling, and should have initially) that was photographed by someone else because they broke my rule of not camming into other's apts, and then sent the photos onto a third party.
What I needed to know is if this is against TOS, taking photos of avatars without their permision and sharing them with others.
Clearly my definition of intamacy is different from other's. For me, if I am cuddling with someone, that is intamacy. Opening yourself up to another person completely and sharing who you are at your core being is intamacy to me. For others, it can only mean sex.
I didn't ask how to make things more private for myself or for tenants. And yet folks had to tell me how to do that. It should not matter what rating the land has or if the group is opened or closed or how thick my walls are to answer my question: Did the woman go against TOS by taking the photos of people who did not know she took them and send them to someone else. (On a side note and what should be obvious, she did so in an effort to cause drama.)
Since folks felt the need to know what rating the land was and how easy it is to join my group, which had nothing to do with the actual situation, I am now eqipped with knowledge I didn't know, so I suppose that is a blessing. Since I pay someone else other than LL for the land, and it is only part of the sim, I don't have the power to change the rating. I have checked numerous other rental places since this posting and have found most are on Moderate land, most have at least sex beds, and most have open group. What they are doing doesn't excuse myself from being in compliance, so to be in compliance, I will change the group so that people can only be invited to the group upon rental. The only adult items I provide in the rentals are adult beds (that are pretty tame compared to others) and now the new baths I recently installed. I don't advertise these things. Everything is "hidden" behind walls. I have made far more rules than most rental places to keep things as private as possible, minimize grieving, and make things as comfortable as possible for everyone. I have made a rule and posted signs of not having child avatars on the property in an effort to be in compliance with the rule of child avatars not being in proximaty of any adult items. Overall, I think I have managed to create a safe, peaceful, and comfortable environment. And I take care of my tenants.
I resolved this whole issue by sending a warning notice to the guest that broke the rule and the tenant she was visiting. The tenant that was violated has been moved way up in the sky to get them as far away as possible from each other. I talked to both tenants and there is no animosity between them, and the guest at this time, appears to be complying. I knew that I would have to handle this situation for the most part myself. I just wanted to know that if the situation were to escalate and my solutions didn't work, were the actions by the guest a violation against TOS.
To everyone that has replied to this thread: Thank you!
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This is wonderful! Everyone saying nice things about others. Perhaps I should have done the He/She in my post, as there are a few nice guys here too.
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Not sure if I can mention who it is by name...but if I can, then I will tell who it is. :matte-motes-big-grin:
Always kind and considerate and tries to help without ever being condescending. If everyone could be more like you, the forums...and the world would be a warm and welcoming place.
I always appreciate seeing posts by this person as she truly comes off as a wonderful human being, and I have never seen her put anyone down, make fun of anyone, or be mean in any way.
People come to the forums looking for help, answers and many are new. Some may be posting for the first time ever in a forum and don't know how they work. Some don't know to try to look for prior posts before asking for help, and well sometimes people just don't have time to look through hundreds and hundreds of post and need an answer NOW. She is the kind of person who will answer a question a thousand times with patience and kindness, rather than whining this is the 10 thousandth time this has been asked GROWWWWL!!! (grin)
People don't always know every little thing about SL and things happen that have not happened to THEM before. For them it is a unique problem, a new experience or perplexing and they just need advice or reassurance. The forums are for everyone from all kinds of different personalities, intelligence, experience, and needs. So often I see condensation and ridicule and then the OP will become hostile and some how it becomes their fault and they are the horrible person. and then the posse all have to come and circle around and add their own slam dunk. I see it happen in so many different forums, so I guess it is a universal thing.
I have never seen you do any of these things as you have always remained kind and I for one, thank you for that. I hope you are always blessed with good karma! If people can learn by example, you are certainly one to follow!
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The maturity rating is Moderate and really has no bearing on this. They were in a PG hot Tub cuddling. The whole point of this is the fact that the other tenant's guest violated MY policy and cammed into the resident's apartment and the proof is the photographs that were taken and then forwarded to a third party. The photos then made their way back to the people that were photographed. All this was in an attempt to cause drama.
In any case, the situation has been handled. I needed to know if these actions were the sort that can have an AR turned in. I did not intend to turn in an AR at this time as I felt a warning notice was appropriate for a first offense. But in the event the person doesn't comply and persists in this behavior, I will need to step it up in how I handle the violation. Now that I know that Linden Lab is unlikely to help in this matter, I know what measures I can actually take...which is basically I am on my own in handling the situation.
As for privacy in apartments, anyone with any sense should know there really is little if any privacy in Second Life. I am very explicit in my rules about conduct in the attempt to keep people from camming, and conducting themselves properly. There is really no way of knowing if someone is violating these rules unless they offer the proof themselves by taking photos and showing them to someone else, which was the case in this incident. Since I was presented with the proof, it was my responsibility as the land owner to handle the situation.
Thank you for everyone's input. It has been most helpful and I really appreciate being able to come here any time I need answers.
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I have the rules posted in each rental office and in the rental agreement when the apartment (or any of the other variety of homes I offer) is rented. The apartments are stacked, side by side for several stories up. Basically, I am trying to enforce respecting the privacy of others on the honor system. Clearly, not everyone has honor.
I realize there is really no such thing as privacy. Even a sky box can be cammed by someone flying by it (have had that issue with my sky boxes as well). I really wanted to know if it is against TOS to send nude photos of other people to third parties. Since our avatars represent us, I would think it would be a violation. If it is not, well I have no problem as a landlord enforcing my rules. I just wanted to know if I could expect any sort of back up from LL.
I think on my part, one warning is fair and after that, banning. I just hope I don't start getting drama from this person. I so hate drama and I just wish people would behave themselves and be decent to each other. But then, that is like wishing someone could literally give me the moon. At least we are given the tools to ban, mute, derender, or whatever. ;-)
Thanks for all replies. You all are awesome!
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The situation:
You are in your apartment sharing an intimate moment with a friend and someone cams into your apartment and takes photos of you and then sends them to a third party.
One of the photos also had the radar screen up, showing other people that were on the sim at the time, thus violating their privacy as well, in my opinion.
I know it is against TOS to share other people's RL photos, but what about something like this?
For landowners, how would you handle something like this for your tenant?
This is the first time I have had to deal with something like this. I sent a warning notice to the guest and the tenant she was visiting. Sad thing is, he was not even online at the time. In any case, this behavior is against my rules and policies for tenants and their guests: respect the privacy of other tenants and no camming into other people's homes.
Thanks for any advice and helpful info.
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I agree that there are other ways to support SL and LL other than paying premium fees. I too donate to places I enjoy as well as getting donations on occasion for my own property. I am also a consumer by buying clothing, products, etc from other people. I am sorry if I offended anyone and I didn't intend to reply to a particular person either and hope this post posts correctly as I intend to just be a part of the general discussion, not reply to a specific person here. I do realize that even basic members can be of support by being consumers, donating, etc. In hindsight, I think we all have something to contribute to SL in one way or another, even if it is just with our presence, and the opportunity to get to know each other. ;-)
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I am going to put in my two cents at the risk of getting grieved over it. I keep hearing and seeing how people refuse to give a dime to LL, and yet you want to use their service for your own pleasure and gain. One reason I am a premium member, is I bought land, and so had to have the premium membership, but also, I feel it is important to help support a service that without any support from people who use it, would eventually have to shut down. It amazes me how many people seem to think LL owes them something for allowing them to use their services for free. I know it isn't perfect, but what is? For that matter, who of any of us is perfect?
As for support, I have always gotten support when I needed it. If people have had bad experiences with support, well that is no different than numerous other companies in the world that have employees who don't do their job. I have certainly worked with a few, and dealt with a few. Maybe I have been fortunate to have gotten a good employee the few times I have needed LL support.
I don't have to be a premium member, except for having the little plot of mainland I have. Otherwise, I have a rather large property I use for a rental business and pay fees to someone else who is a premium member so I may do so. I make enough so that I have not had to buy lindens since the very beginning, almost a year and a half ago and can pay my land fees to keep my business going. I also have a furniture business that helps support me in SL and pays my premium membership fees.
In any case, it is the premium members that help support Second Life (I am sure they have other ways of bringing in income as well, they would have to I would think) and without premium members, there may not be a Second Life for everyone else to log into. I think it is amazing that they continue to offer the service for free to the majority of users, and yet so many seem so unappreciative, are qucik to put LL down for the least little thing, and act like the "world" is owed to them. The fact that they continue to make improvements should be proof enough that they do indeed care about this virtual world we all enjoy. As long as I am able, I will always be a premium member, not for what LL can do for me, but for what I can do for LL in my small way.
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I have dealt with them for the past year and a half, only I don't pay for advertising. The benefit they have been for me is that my rental business has been reviewed several times. I would follow up with another email/contact with them and give them some time to respond. People get busy or have other issues in their life that may make them slow to respond. Good luck! I hope it all works out.
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Do you have a debit card for your bank account that has the Visa or Mastercard logo on it? If so, you can use that. I have a Visa Debit card and have used that and it is the payment info they have on file. Works just like a credit card, except it takes the funds from your bank account. Hope that helps.
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One of my favorite subjects in college was Sociology...easy A for me ;-). Since I was taking a lot of extra classes, I took one almost every semester, so I understand why you would want to interview various strangers. I would be happy to help you out. If you can catch me in-world, as RL is keeping me really busy at the moment, I will be willing to give you 15-20 of my time. Good luck with your paper!
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Last night I logged on to find the whole sim where I have three parcels covered in multiplying giant dice. The root prim was on one of the other islands, but affecting my parcels as well as all the others. Movement was impossible. Such a mess! Luckily, it got cleared eventually and everything is back to normal. Now stuff like THAT..That is worth reporting and LL attention.
As for this personal dispute, you people don't want to take good advice and apply it to the situation. You would rather continue feeding it and expecting LL to handle it. For all you know, they have addressed it. They are not necessarily going to inform you that they have. I know how frustrating dealing with this sort of stuff can be, but the advice given to you here is the best thing to do if you really want to be free from it. You continue to post about it and cry "But LL needs to take care of it." Well crying to everyone here about it won't get LL to take care of it for you. All this is doing is making you look as bad as the person you claim is persecuting you because you refuse to take good advice and stop feeding it. In the end, this person is having the last laugh and the joke is on you. I sympathize as it is never pleasant to know someone is disparaging you, but if you would just stop feeding it, you would be amazed at how quickly they would move on. Right now, you are just too much fun for them. That is the choice you are making.
Good Luck!
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We appreciate our tenants loyalty and choice to continue staying with us. To show our appreciation we have developed a new reward program. In Jan and Feb free rent was given to a number of tenants and in Feb, we gave away two weeks free to a tenant that has been there a year!
Over the next few months, I expect to give away a lot of 2 weeks free. I hope you will come and see for yourself why people choose Melody Star Paradise Village as their home. Prices start at 30L$ - 40L$ for luxury, furnished apartments. We also have skyboxes and cottages and sky domes.
Tenants will be rewarded as follows:3 Months = 3 Days Free6 Months = 1 Week Free12 Months = 2 Weeks FreeThereafter 1 Week Free every 6 MonthsCheck out our website for more info and pictures:To come see us, click this surl: -
Most of my friendships that have lasted, are with people I met from the beginning and within a few months. One reason my good friendships have lasted is that we are "real" with each other. I mean we are not role playing, but being pretty much who we are. That doesn't mean sharing real life info. Though I do share a lot about myself, I have been and always will be guarded about the type of info I share. Like someone else said, there are people that will try to use things against you and from personal experience, sharing too much RL info leaves you wide open to RL stalking. You never know who these type of people will turn out to be, so it is best to remain cautious with everyone until you have known them a longggggg time in SL at the very least.
There are a lot of good people in SL and many of the recommendations stated here are good ones. Just be cautious...and yet try to remain open...kinda like walking a tightrope and remaining in balance. Some people are just rotten. I have come across plenty of those and luckily they are easier to deal with in SL than they are in RL. Just mute. And for me, as a business owner...BAN! ;-)
I get sexual advances all the time. If it is a tenant, I can refer them to their rental agreement which prohibits it, if they are a potential tenant, I can politely decline and refer them to the rules posted in each rental office, or just tell them myself, and if it is some random person being an idiot out in the world somewhere, I am pretty good at insulting them and their pixeled pride and joy. I usually get appologies after that (I think a lot of people are basically good, just something about being in SL and behind a computer screen messes with their good judgement).
In any case, don't ever be so desperate for friends that you friend just anyone...have some good conversation first. I am sure you will find the friendships that will be enriching to your SL experience. Good Luck!
Melody Star
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I think some of the people that post in this forum are famous. You can't have thousands of posts here, and not have been seen by countless other people! So I would say we have celebrities right here in the forums. As for seeing them in-world...I don't beleive I have seen many, but I do personally know of two that come to mind that have posted a lot here. And one of them is quite famous in-world! ;-)
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We appreciate our tenants loyalty and choice to continue staying with us. To show our appreciation we have developed a new reward program.
Tenants will be rewarded as follows:3 Months = 3 Days Free6 Months = 1 Week Free12 Months = 2 Weeks FreeThereafter 1 Week Free every 6 MonthsAt Melody Star Paradise Village, we have the best rents on truly luxury apartments. Seeing is believing, so I hope you will come visit and see for yourself. Rents start at 30-40L a week and up.Check out our website for more info and pictures:To come see us, click this surl:
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Special People
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I think everyone has known someone at one time or another that has that magical spark. They walk into the room and the whole room lights up. Not just for one person in the room, but for everyone there. They always have a ready smile, a thoughtfulness about them that is so deep it is absolutely natural for them. Everyone loves them and loves being around them. They seem to know everyone and treat everyone like they are their best friend. They never seem unhappy and are always positive. Being around them is so wonderful and such a joy, you hate it when they go.
Usually you see this or notice this after they have become an adult. I am blessed to have a seven year old in my life whom I knew was special, but thought I may be biased. Last week I went to her open house at school (where you get to see all they have been working on, their class room, and meet with the teacher) and the child seemed to know everyone. Smiles and hugs for everyone! I was in awe of this child, how she seemed to light up the whole school with her presence. It will be interesting to see the kind of person she becomes as she already has an amazing personality.
I have a friend that is like this as well. She is so sweet and caring and truly the most personable person I know. She has the best personality and it is always so much fun being with her. I feel it makes me a better person just by knowing her.
Who do you know that is like this?