Thanks for all the feedback :-) yes the more I look into it the more I see this has been going on for a while and is totally messed up. As for whether they plan to actually fix it we will see, mean time putting in support tickets might get some attention. I did file one but was told to file a bug jira. Now I can have fun trying to see if one has already been filed, we all have so much time to do all this instead of creating ... snickers,