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Hi all, First, let me thank Parhelion for such a thorough review and answer to the questions I had. I am deeply saddened by SLs decision not to support mainland and for several reasons NOT involving me... (in case Phil's reading which I hope he is). I came to mainland before the evolution of Blake Sea and at the time Linden Labs had gone from a positive media blitz to negative reviews as just a place where people could go for sex. I developed friends in LL concierge and kept suggesting they extend mainland to include more room for sailors and aviators for several reasons I still think are valid. For one many people come to SL and dont know how to get around and when you leave someone with only "teleporting" they tend to gravitate to the lowest common deonominator which is sex. Traveling around mainland gives people the chance to see the good the bad and the ugly of what a large community can create on its own (with a little help from LL) and has lead many users to become creators and become interested in land and other features of SL. In other words it gives people ideas and it gives them an alternative to the social and sex scene. As for SL2 vs Sansara to me thats just semantics no matter how different Sansara is for several reasons. LL is known and will always be known for SL first and foremost. No matter how they try to distance themselves from what may be (guessing) a failed business model.... or if not failed.. they have given up on it.. they dont appear to be able to support both worlds... so they will not update SL ( bad decision) and they will pour money into a total unknown (another bad decision?). I agree that LL must do something if the business model of SL is failing, that is a given. But whatever else Linden Labs does it will ALWAYS be first and foremost the inventors of Secondlife. They have a captive audience and have devoted 12+ years to this venture. So they decide that they can't do both ventures because they are losing money on SL or because they can't get more funding so they stop supporting and stop innovating it before they create their bridge to the new entity? Of course it will die or at the very least not perform any better. But why kill it off, why stop innovating until they are sure that Sansara will be a go? Issues I see with Sansara, from what little I know of it, are what will people do there? Creators create things for people to use. Its not all just clothes and new skins. What is the intent? What will draw the crowds? Because lets face facts; while being able to use Occulus glasses may be a really "Gee Whiz" thing.. Only an extrmely small portion of people will ever buy them. How many people now, log on from work, from their phones, from home and do so surreptitiously? You think people at work are all going to put on Occulus glasses before they log on SL? Are people going to foot a huge expense of computer upgrade and expensive glasses as well as new everything for their avi? I dont think the normal user in SL nor the Noobs to Sansara will do that is my point. How much controi does LL have over Occulus? what iof they innovate Occulus glasses ( new tedhnologies tewnd to do that) and the new direction doesnt mesh with LLs Sansara... ? So many questions, and they still have an audience here in SL. So all I am suggesting in my opinion it would be good to keep their present audience in the best health possible by continuing substantial and meaningful support of SL until they are sure they have enough momentum. Although I dont agree or understand why they would kill mainland a good deal of what people come to Sl for has to do with vehicles of one sort or another so how will that work? Thanks for those who take the time to read this even if no one in LL will or ever cares about anything we think or say here. :smileyhappy: 

I had a couple more questions about the new Sansara if anyone knows: 1. Is there an official launch date for the beta and then the full version? 2. Will LSL still be used or will the new system use universal computing languages so as to be more in line with rest of the world? 3. Will Linden Dollars be used and if so their exchange rate the same? 4. Will Linden Labs drop the prices of their monthly tier for SL 1 (Mainland and Estate) since they are undermining its value by doing their damndest to get people to leave? 5. Will there still be any "Mainland" for those of us vehicle lovers, planes, sailors etc to use? If not what happens to that segment? 6. Will alts and bots be allowed in the new SL? 7. Will Linden Labs report to the public what their figures are so those of us who feel they got worked over now will have some warning when SL 2 fades to SL 3? 8. Does Linden Labs support the idea of a user run community much like Open Source...or do they plan to control everytthing in SL 2? 9. Will SL 2 be involved in Hypergrid or whatever technology could link it with other virtual worlds? I'm sure more will come to mind, but I hope we can have a civil discussion without any flames. Thanks

Hi Phil, This discussion shouldnt really be about you and me? It should stick to what we think of the direction LL is headed. You say my thoughts are about me and others like me but isnt that exactly what this is supposed to be? Or is it really meant to be a place for cheerleaders to tout something LL hasnt even defined well yet? All I said is I think LL should provide stability and a continuum of SL rather than its replacement. It is being said that it will require or make use of Occulus glasses...how many users do you suppose will shell out that kind of money and have to completely start over from scratch as well as possibly do a computer upgrade to use the new SL.? Only a small fraction I think. As I said, I think SL 2, or Sansara or whatever else they will rename it in the coming weeks or months should be an addition to not a subsitution for SL 1.

Dear Phil, If you don't love LL, then why is it you decide to involve yourself on the side of LL in most these posts? What makes you think you can speak for all residents expectations either? You can't. All any business owner wants and needs it stability and as a company thats supposdly the future of the internet, I believe they do have a responsibility to those that have been here. LL will never succeed long term of they fail to ask for and sincerely listen to the input of their own users. I am all for new technology. I just think SL2 should be an addition to SL 1 not a replacement. If they can make SL 2 so much better then they should ber able to upgrade SL 1 as well. Another assumption you make that I question. What makes you think y ou can speak for all users in SL and also for the company? Big ego, but not much on substance..

As a business owner I understand the need to change, but why not make what you have better. You already have a community of people who have put a great deal of their time and money into SL, as you remarked. But what you forget is when y ou shaft every one of those people who have put their hard earned time and money into SL, what ever makes you think that any of them would ever trust LL again noty to just trash whatever time and expense they might spend on your new venture? You speak of SL 1 as if you cant fix the problems. Well if you give up on it, then surely it will not survive. So I dont see how you can expect your SL 2 to fair any better. As you sdaid it would take years to build and why would anyone trust you again to stand behind what your selling all of us? Your responses to people saying "Did you really expect Sl to last forever...." hmmm well.. when I joined SL it was being touted as "The Future of the Internet" So would someone who joins an effort to develop "The Future of the Internet" think the company who is developing it had a long term plan to support it ? I think so... but in LLs case it had always been to take the easy road and develop the gee whiz feastures over a stable platform. You dont seem to ask residents the ones heavily invested how to add on you just go off on new tangents and let the chips fall where they may. LL has always had the "Not invented here" attitude which is so painfully obvious in these forums where you have shills who flame any nay sayers rather than furthering discussion and involving your CLIENTS. This effort will be no different. LL sees itself as the Illuminati who are above the pee ons who actually make the community work...and that is your achillies heel. You arent. My advice and you will surely flame me is to listen and work with your community rather than trash it. You say SL1 will continue but you know full well if you remove the people and slowly stop supporting it, it will die. If you cant make the largest virtuial world work...why should I believe you can do any better in your new foray into SL2? One other thought comes to mind and that is, why can't Sansara be added to SL instead of being thought of as a totally separate entity? so that residents of SL would then have something new to enjoy, without wiping out the foundation we have all worked so hard for so long to build? Why can't LL commit to supporting the world that they have built? Have you guys given up? That surely isn't a recipe for success in any venture. I will wait and se, but I am sure this post will be viewed as negative and flagged, removed or flamed. So go ahead.

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