thanks again for the reply... but that can't be it either... this has even happened after a clean install of an operating system and new install of any viewer. and even on a machines that have never had a viewer install... it occures on my windows laptop, my windows PC and my iMac. This is clearly an issue with linden. ---\ thanks to whoever for the previous reply... (BTW, how stupid is it that i am not allowed to respond, to my own original post) anyway... As i stated i have tried every suggestion for this error that i could find, i have deleted the bridge, in both phoenix and firestorm, not a solution. Also as i stated this error happens regardless of the viewer i use. in fact, it started with a linden viewer prior to the viewer 2, and continues in viewer 2, and phoenix and firestorm, this is NOT an error to do with any third party viewer. Also as i stated, my avatar has zero clothing, has a linden shape, skin eyes, etc, no hair, no shoes , no attachments what so ever. when i log in i am naked & bald, i have even less on than the default avatar when i started. this god forsaken game.