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    The new ToS and something I don't think was taken into consideration by LL.

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    On 5/5/2024 at 4:58 PM, MissSweetViolet said:

    Seems like an awfully drastic thing to force the body maker of any body that might be misused

    hm, I remember a announcement by Zoobies when she found out her toddlers were being used in evil ways/// She completely stopped making them. I think she only does animesh kids now. Not at all a kid avatar, but I reckon the majority of body makers do not want their product used in such a way and would comply.

     

     

     

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    2 minutes ago, Leslie Trihey said:

    Don't mind me, just making sure them undies are TIG (Tungsten Inert Gas welding) welded on.  Go about your day citizen.

     

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    That reminds me of when thong/gstring bikini was banned at our beaches here… the police had rulers…. And were arrested! 

    Sorry way off topic post… I’ll go back outside and do my chores.. 

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    Posted · Edited by SpiritSparrow Skydancer
    Temper tantrum never got anyone anything but put in time out! Or in my day a whooping

    I think LL will see how passionate we are about this.. and you can all piss and moan all you want about it.. if you are here now or playing in world.. you have all agreed to the new TOS. 
     

    now I believe that they have taken the coherent approach to mind and by their own hand told us they are going to investigate it more. 
     

    let’s smoke the peace pipe shall we and do what only we can do… wait and see. 
     

     

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    51 minutes ago, Theresa Ravenheart said:

    I specifically said "No one can be physically victimized in SL" for a reason, yes, people can approach you and say horrible things; but I'm sorry, that cannot compare to a REAL child being a victim of CSA. It was in response to  SpiritSparrow saying "I do have an issue that there are sick freaks who find pleasure in virtually molesting child avatars."

    One, you are an adult and have the mental facilities to handle that like an adult in the moment, and two, the worst thing that man could to do you was to say really gross and disturbing things. And again, you had the power to stop it, you can leave, block them, or just log off. 

    No one can "physically"  touch, control, abuse, hurt, or force your avatar to do things in SL unless you give them that power. Yes, they can say gross and unforgiveable things, but my point was that another avatar cannot "molest" your avatar unless you allow it to happen. I wasn't speaking about emotional or verbal abuse, which can and does happen sadly, but those are also easy and fast to stop with a block. RL victims cannot file an AR and just tp away. 

    I'm not saying what happened to you was not upsetting, it was horrific that someone would do that to you, and I am very sorry it happened.

    It’s not always about 2 persons. People can use alts and molest in perversions. 
     
    molest can also mean to pester or harnessing persons… as an example see above the comment from someone stating they were molested by someone asking lewd things of them. 

     I am sorry you think you are the only one who has ever had the experience with sexual abuse.  
     

    Taking sexual photos of a child in SL can just as easily be done as a perversion that is against the law. 

    But apparently you got a spur in your saddle for whatever reason against me.. 

    I guess you’re not reading this since you muted me. 
     

     

     

     

    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    2 minutes ago, brodiac90 said:

    I forgot to mention. Chest wise it is yet to be seen whether boys will need a modesty layer as well. I only mention that because pretty much all child avatars are built around the much smaller female body. The way kid avatars my age (9) differentiate themselves is throguh things like names, clothing, shapes, hair and makeup etc. So in reality it would be very hard to have 1 type of modesty layers for boys and another for girls on the same avatar. 

    Probably little tank tops, which might be an issue for swim suits. I think nipples should be allowed… but idk that’s up to LL I suppose. 

    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    1 minute ago, Theresa Ravenheart said:

    I find this phrase so (not really funny) but funny, "virtually molesting child avatars". They are not being molested, the kid avatars that are participating in these activities are choosing to do so because they are ALSO adults. No one is forcing them into these sick situations, unlike what happens in RL to actual CHILD VICTIMS. No one can be physically victimized in SL unless they want to, be because we are all are fully in control of our experiences, because we can block. mute or log off the second we are uncomfortable. This is not about the "poor helpless kids", the people involved with the age***y scene are not victims tricked into it, they are seeking it out. 

    Ok I’ll take your point you seem to know a lot about it……. Anyway! 
     

    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    1 minute ago, brodiac90 said:

    Well I can't exactly show you.... but literally as a boy you would see nothing on the front, just completely flat with no texture any different to the rest of the skin. If I was nude (I never have been nor will I ever) you'd see my bottom. So the major difference between the current skins for kids is now there will be underpants covering the rear. On the front all you're doing is replacing a peach (insert any other skin tone) colour for a white/black/blue/red whatever underwear texture. 

    Ok, I can understand that 

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    Just now, Luna Bliss said:

    What I've discovered in my 20 years of Second Life, is that those who trash child avatars tend to have trouble accepting their own inner child. So I hope those who play child avatars don't take it too personally, and have some sympathy for those so out of touch with themselves. It really is a miserable state to be in -- to be so out of touch with a fundamental part of the self.

    I do not think anyone is trashing child avatars.  I think they are adorable. 
     

     I do have an issue that there are sick freaks who find pleasure in virtually molesting child avatars. 
     

    assuming that this is being put into place because of a recent blog post that shall not be named! 
     

     

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    4 minutes ago, brodiac90 said:

    Madi and I aren't talking about bits.

    We're talking about kids skins that apart from not having a modesty layer don't actully show anthing and already resemble barbie dolls. The only difference between the skins will be the modesty layer. 

    I do not understand why you would need a modesty layer if you have no skin detailing for m/f anatomy. 
     

    perhaps I do not understand the TOS but from what I do understand it is only to cover skins that have the anatomy already. 
     


     

     

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    23 minutes ago, Denim Robonaught said:

    How would you feel if you lost 20,000L$ in skins?
    Now suppose you had four kids, and they all lost that.

    I know the acts of god policy. That doesn't make it right or completely necessary.

     

    Second life is constantly changing. The same arguments were said when mesh clothing was released. Then mesh bodies, making 95% of previously made clothing and accessories useless.
     

    will not be hard for child skin makers to change their skins. Hell even pre mesh avatars had panties and bras drawn on skins. 
     

     There is absolutely no reason for bathing suit bits to be on child avatars. And it concerns me that there are and now it needs to change. 
     

     To be honest all they have to do is go into library and use an old Ruth or whoever the boy was. There are underpants on that skin afaik just use a new head/skin….

     

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    The age of consent around the world varies from 11 to 21, but the most common ages range from 14-16, according to the World Population Review. In some countries, such as Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Libya, Iran, Pakistan, and Qatar, there is no age of consent but people must be married.

     

     So, I wonder if a teen (I was active at 16) at age 16 would be in violation of Linden Law.  Or is it a country (state) by Country (state) basis? However, my state is 18 yo...  so under age 18 where I am can get you in jail!

     In Nigeria for example, age 11. (I was shocked)

    So, what ages (child) are we talking about? I might have missed that part.

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    4 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said:

    That's your impression ... and also no different from saying "she's asking for it".

    Coffee, I think you misunderstand what they are saying.

     

    The people operating the child avatars for sexual reasons, (age sex play - role play) are indeed sick (mental issues) people. (dirty old men/women, they might younger) at any rate their fetish is for children.  If you do not agree with that statement...

     

    That person is not stating all child avatar operators are in it for that kink. 

     

     

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    6 hours ago, Madi Melodious said:

    My alt an her partner have 2 rules and I think the second rule should go in to full effect for child avatars.

    1. Real Life comes first.
    2. Never log off nude.

    The second one came about when my alt login region was off line and she was dumped into a "safezone", naked.  It was originally meant as a joke, but now, not so funny.

    I was not talking about that, but those are good rules. : )

    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    Posted · Edited by SpiritSparrow Skydancer

    5 hours ago, Katherine Heartsong said:

    I'm not understanding?

    If I had a child avatar (I don't, just me and a cat, and the rest of TWI's animals) and I TPed to a Moderate region to an event that did not in any way in the description suggest there'd be nudity and I stumble into a burning man style pagan nudist dance, I go "Oopsie" and leave.

    There is no way that I'd get into trouble for that because even if someone saw me appear for the brief 5–10 seconds I did and reported me, Linden would also see: a) event wasn't listed as a nude event, and b) arrived after it started, and c) stayed fore less than 15 seconds and left.

    Tell me, does anyone honestly think I'd get into trouble for that?

    Look before you leap, use your best judgement, and if something weird like that happened, the kid avatar is not in the wrong and won't be punished. If anyone says to me, "Yes they will cause against ToS!!!" then I've got nothing for you because you're just being stubborn and not using your common sense.

    Or did I just rant a bit there without understanding the issue?

    (And haven't we already figured out that shopping in a Moderate region or at an event that might have naked skin posters or overtly sexualized clothing posters at a vendors booth is not going to get you into trouble because your experience is shopping not looking to be sexy? Or is that one of the things that needs clarifying still and not in the FAQ?)

    More often than not, when you teleport into a region with many avatars they do not fully rez. Their skin rezzes first, then clothing.. So, nipples and baked on genitalia is shown.. then by way of how fast your internet is... Your avatar then rezzes. (mine is slow since I upgraded with spectrum - built in rant) (and often I can go 10 minutes at a packed event before people start rezzing clothing...)

    My initial complaint, and one I have voiced before was that there "could" be something done about this problem. (not everyone wears panties and bra, which would FIX a lot of it) Its a big turn off for me seeing headless (or reversaed faces) bodies with big asses and ***** or John doe with .. well it is traumatizing to say the least!

     Imagine you want to use SL for your bible study group? Everyone is sitting around in a church and because, jane and john's computer is slow to rez.. they see naked people.  If I were a bible holding Christian, that might discourage me into using SL atall.

     Now as for TPing into a nudist event, I would not report you if you poofed, or changed to an adult avatar. However, most events do state this and if someone sends you a lure (*unsolicited tp) Just decline until you know where you are going!

     

     

    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    8 hours ago, Fluffy Sharkfin said:

    In fairness to LL I think the governance team would be able to discern who was at fault pretty easily by examining who initiated the teleport process (i.e. did someone offer the teleport or was it via a landmark, etc) and then taking a look at the logs to ascertain if the person offering the teleport was aware that the recipient was using a child avatar, was the recipient aware of the maturity rating and specific nature of the content and activities at the location they teleported to.

    You miss the meaning. If one teleports into any region for any reason. Not lures. 
    just visiting events or destinations. 
     

     

    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    Posted · Edited by SpiritSparrow Skydancer

    All this talk about modesty in child avatars is ridiculous when at the point of teleportation one drops into a gaggle of naked avatars in any region! 
     

     I would think with the intelligence at work at linden lab’s offices, the naked avatar issue would have been addressed so even if a child avatar is blurred out so to speak, those around them shall not be. 
     

    I understand  LL wants to cover their ass but come on. This has been an issue for a few years. 

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