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1 minute ago, CarlaWetter said:

That's an unfounded assumption, isn't it? Why would there be no recourse? Phil could have his ancient and internally flagged accounts fixed through support.

So it's not the drama you make it out to be. What I see in my numbers is that of the 425 accounts that are showing up in my "seen and kicked" list as of today, no one argued they have been treated unfairly. That's all there is to it in my view. I'm not throwing out the only tool we have on mainland to manage the up to ~30 roaming bots per region and day because there've been some three or five accounts that may or may not have been flagged internally by LL as bots some decade ago and that now have been exposed through the AGENT_AUTOMATED flag. Which gives them a chance to have it fixed. But that's not my responsibility any more as it is for estate owners who use the estate tools to globally disallow scripted agents to cater for a bunch of accounts that may or may not have been flagged at some time as bots. We are given tools and we use them.

All I'm advocating for is some kind of transparency whereby LL would email/tell all avatars that are being flagged as bots that that is the case. Not just silently change their status "behind the scenes" where for all outward appearances in the Account Settings, it still says "run by human."

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1 minute ago, Casidy Silvercloud said:

Why do you assume you have no recource? Ll is still run by humans last I checked, pretty sure they make mistakes and faux pas now and then. I'm sure they'd remedy the issue if you actually went to them. 

But you would have no idea the REASON for being banned is because you are flagged as a bot, because like i and Phil mentioned, in the Account Settings, it is possible to be set to "run by a human" but internally LL has a different "system" for flagging some accounts as "bots"

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12 minutes ago, CarlaWetter said:

Not really, but nevertheless my homegrown solution predating the AGENT_AUTOMATED flag by many years will tell the ejected avis the reason and that they can call me up to defend their case. So far no one ever did. They just try to come back another day with the same result. This has not changed since the introduction of AGENT_AUTOMATED and my scripting change to make use of it.

So in my observation it may perhaps not be such a widespread issue at all if of more than 400 ejected avatars in just the last couple of years not a single one claimed to be mistreated.

So you wouldn't be bothered if your main account was unfairly flagged as a "scripted agent" with no recourse to get it reversed because on your end, the "scripted agent status" in account settings is still set to "run by a human"?

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7 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said:

I assume if this happens to someone, they should be unashamed.

But the unfortunate thing is that legitimately human run accounts could (and are) falsely identified by LL as "scripted agents", thus they would be banned from any parcels that ban "scripted agents" without even knowing why they are banned (they would just get a message that they aren't allowed on a particular sim/parcel. Does that not concern anyone else?

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1 hour ago, bigmoe Whitfield said:

if the owner has the account set to scripted agent but is using the account, and the account is banned from the sim/parcel, who's fault is that then?   the system can only do what it's told, so if the user has the account flagged as scripted agent but is using at a normal account than that's on the user whom made the account not the sim/parcel owner setting an option.

i think that you don't understand the scenario. some legtimately human-run accounts are falsely being registered as "scripted agent" status internally by LL (not that they checked the "scripted agent" status themselves), thereby being banned from any sim/parcel that has chosen to ban "scripted agents"

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Now it's even unfair to have false positives as scripted agents, since sim/parcel owners can ban scripted agents, potentially banning legitimately human user accounts

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2 hours ago, Rowan Amore said:

It's not about how old the avatar is that's the issue specifically.and they do move the clouds or invisible ones to a changing room apparently.  They're often obviously not NEW new residents but alt/bot account.  Those are the ones that just stand there in a shrubbery.

Yes, there are Mentors there who do help new accounts.  Hard to help if there's nobody in there, though.  One went up to the changing room with the 8 invisible ones and not a word back from any of them.  There is only one main Welcome Hub run by LL and the mentors.

Isn't there more than one Welcome Hub newbies could potentially rezz into? Why does LL not have Mentors at all welcome hubs?

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4 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

Maybe they lost track of all of them or are simply using them for some other purpose.  The point being, regardless of their use, it's disconcerting to have them where new people rez in.  Trying to say hello to people who aren't there and seeing nothing but a a tag or cloud.

LL needs to be a bit more proactive in moving them elsewhere.  Maybe a designated bot park.

did Linden restart their Mentorship program? Aren't there supposed to be designated Mentors on standby at all welcome centers to greet and assist any newbies with questions?

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2 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

Maybe they lost track of all of them or are simply using them for some other purpose.  The point being, regardless of their use, it's disconcerting to have them where new people rez in.  Trying to say hello to people who aren't there and seeing nothing but a a tag or cloud.

LL needs to be a bit more proactive in moving them elsewhere.  Maybe a designated bot park.

perhaps auto moving accounts older than 3 days automatically to another region

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23 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

Here's the type of place those invisible bots end up at.  86 people in this region that is at the top of search.  One person in the club...

People create literally 100s of accounts and do not register them as scripted agents.  The log in at the welcome hub for their first time.  Some are moved out quickly as I've observed.  Those usually have numbers.  Joe101, Joe102, Joe103 and such.  Some just hang around for days being pushed into wall or moved out of the main rez in area.

Their behavior, or lack of, is indicative of avatars used in this way.

 

but what would be the point of creating an account just to sit for days and days at the welcome center? it would only help traffic numbers for the welcome center, not any other parcel/region

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58 minutes ago, Prokofy Neva said:

How do you know they're bots? 

That's what I would like to know, if there's some magical insight or script you can run to ascertain whether an account is a "bot/scripted agent" or whether they are an alt account; which are two totally different things.

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6 hours ago, Ardy Lay said:

I could probably start a fight here by stating that new users should see white clouds instead of orange clouds.

Don't people logged into the official SLV see white clouds for people who haven't rendered yet? Orange clouds are what people logged into Firestorm see as people who haven't rendered yet.

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2 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

1 Registered Agent ("bot") takes up 1 avatar's worth of resources. 

If a sim owners chooses to park registered scripted agents on their own sim, (keep in mind registered scripted agents don't count as traffic) unless they are doing nefarious actions like spamming, phishing, etc, why is it other people's place to denounce that?

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22 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

I doubt the Bots "want" to be in the Welcome Hub, unless their owners want to scan new users there.

Irony: Bots taking up available slots (and resources) for actual users in the first place those users will experience Second Life.

I'd like to see what Welcome Hubs are maxed out at 100 avis, preventing truly new users from entering. The only places I've seen been locked out of entering for the sim being too full is at shopping events and major events in sl like SLB sims. The biggest complaint I see from new users is "how EMPTY sl seems to be." If that's the case, where are bots taking up "precious resources" from sims?

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40 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

Because they were all invisible and in a changing room for 2 days.  

Perhaps they're new users trying to figure out how to change their avatar look? Trying to change the senra look? Other than to be mentors to new users, I don't know why "bots" in a welcome hub would benefit anyone other than maybe making the welcome hub looking "busier" than it really is? Do welcome hubs even show up in traffic counters? I don't think I've seen welcome hubs in any top parcel searches...

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On 9/24/2023 at 9:22 AM, Rowan Amore said:

They really ought to do something about the bots at the Welcome hub although I'm pretty sure these aren't registered as such.  They were all in a changing room.  4 of them were there yesterday as well. 

 

What makes you sense that these are bots and not actually new accounts since their age is also very young? Why is it so unbelieveable to many sl residents that *gasp* a new user with a low age isn't truly actually new to sl? And especially why wouldn't genuinely new users be in a welcome hub?