I'd like to know where goths gather inworld. I've been told to join the alternative music informer group, but everything that was advertised as goth rock, deathrock, batcave turned out to be pop music, rap and hip hop(I'm not kidding), those modern bands that try to imitate the slightly darker side of 80s/90s pop music, some metal and Stuff like HIM and manson. Didn't know it was cool again to pretend being goth, but at least batcave and deathrock used to be a good sign that you actually got what you were looking for and it still is in RL. What happened?