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37 minutes ago, Syn Anatine said:

The only time I said a price was when I said that 1L was too much for that body

So 1 linden is too much for the body but 5000 linden isn't? How are you not implying the body is overpriced here?

Have a seat. I'm not here to fight. If you read my replies to this thread from the beginning you'll understand where I'm coming from.

6 minutes ago, janetosilio said:

Ok.

So, in the spirit of being competitive, what's competitive about the TMP body? I mean in the sense of it being another body on the market, I guess you could call that competition.  But the way I see it, competition is something comprable.

The price is not competitive

Features not competitive (what does it do that justifies a 5000L price tag? Does it support Omega?)

Support not competitive (who's making clothes for it? Does it even have a Developer's kit?)

See, if it were competitive, it might possibly have an introductory price of 2000L, less than other bodies. Something like that is competitive. Competitive here seems to be a strawman, one that no one seems to be buying. So when people are saying "It's competition" what's competitive about it?

 

God, shower me in accusations of being affiliated with TMP for this one, but:

I believe many things make this body competitive. I feel like the look of this body alone should make all body creators out there feel uneasy. The body offers a unique look, it works great for both skinny and thick women, the body has realistic curves that doesn't act up when you're using an animation (like Syn Anatine's L$300 read-a-book animation) and whether you like TMP or not you can't deny the fact that they've always had some of the best skins.

As for the price, I honestly can't come up with an argument as to what justifies the price. I don't believe they have any reason to play politics with their prices unlike Maitreya (who honestly updated her body free of charge to keep it relevant, and in turn cash in that way, because that's really what it was) and so they charge what they feel their work and time is worth.

And because the body is adjustable and allows you to wear anything you please, you shouldn't have to be concerned about creators take on it, I actually wouldn't count on creators support for this body, since this feature doesn't benefit them, it benefits the user.

In short, they could be charging the same price as Maitreya, but my guess is that they're trying to get as much as possible for this and chances are they won't sell anywhere near as many bodies as Maitreya has, and therefor they have no reason to try and cuddle with us consumers. 

We see it, we like it, we want it, we got it.

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7 minutes ago, Skell Dagger said:

Unless TMP are actively posting their sales figures somewhere, all I have to say is this: I work for Catwa, and even I have no idea what her sales figures are when she releases a new head. There are no updates on either of the TMP-related Facebook pages (The Shops FB page hasn't been updated since June 2017, and the TMP News FB page has only clothing ads on it, going way back).

Where did you get those very exact sales figures from, Brooklynn? I'm genuinely curious.

 

I tried to dodge that question but since many asked - I realized I shouldn't have mentioned anything about sales and I don't expect anyone to see it as a fact.

3 minutes ago, halebore Aeon said:

How does 300L, compare to 5000L exactly? At least the pose is actually worth it, it's completed. 

Is this a serious question?

1 minute ago, Syn Anatine said:

The more known full permission animation stores sell animations for more than that. I am actually cheaper than my competition. So I am not sure why you are trying to go down this route but you are failing really hard.

On another note, here's one for you. I'll give you that 300L if you can quote anywhere where I said the product is overpriced. Have at it!

I mean you've got to be illiterate if you don't understand why I called you out for that. I know very well you never said it's overpriced but the way you said it indirectly implied so. Again, very bold for someone who sells single animations for L$300. Talking about 'people don't have that kind of money'. Give me a break.

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11 minutes ago, janetosilio said:

I’ve already said I appreciate competition and that I am not a Maitreya user.

What I’m trying to get you to understand is it’s not a wise decision by the creator to set such a high price point in this kind of market. A lot of people wear a Maitreya just because gets the most clothing and accessory support. That’s it. It’s not because it’s a better body in any way.

There’s a difference between being open to things and being unwise. So how is the TMP body better than any other body currently on the market?

That’s just a reality check.

 

I never implied that their body was better than other bodies out there. I was merely saying that if a creator, regardless of reputation, has a product that is better than what I'm currently using, then I won't hesitate for a second to ditch my old product for a new and improved one. I could have worded that better.

And gurl you can reality check me all you want. I take great pleasure in that.

1 minute ago, Syn Anatine said:

We do not want to support creators who do not offer support to their customers.

That's respectable.

I just think your complaints around their prices are bold considering you're selling a 'reading a book' animation on MP for a whopping $L300.

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13 minutes ago, Syn Anatine said:

Because not everyone has that kind of money to spend on a product that has zero customer service with the brand walking away again being likely?

Or simply because not everyone who uses SL has 20 bucks to spend on a mesh body, and no, those people don't spend money on expensive coffee's either.

If you're well enough off to take that risk, you do you, but don't think that's the norm for other residents.

 

9 minutes ago, Eva Knoller said:

My SL budget comes out of our entertainment budget and is more than $20. Even so, I will never spend a cent on this body due to the reputation, regardless of how good it might look. Reputation matters to a lot of people.

 

1 minute ago, halebore Aeon said:

No reality is, we don't trust the company as far as we can throw them. And to top it all off, I can literally get my Avatar done, with some appliers and maybe an outfit or two with 5k. To spend 5k on a body, that A has no Dev Kit, or creators to make appliers and clothes with. And B, when it costs more than the average body, does in SL.  Why would we spend 20 bucks on it? Look, 5K is not really a competitive price either. They aren't really gonna be competition in the market, at that price. It's great that you don't care about their reputation and past transgressions. Most of us do. Also the last point, I think you will find that most people on the grid are open to new bodies. But if the price tag is right. It's common sense, that price tag will ultimately give the other body companies, more money.

They sold 5,200 something bodies in their first 24 hours. I'm not sure what you're referring to when you say 'most of us'. I understand 5,200 residents aren't a majority but it's a great portion of the people who buy lindens on a regular basis.

I'm not much for conspiracy theories, but perhaps you forum people are a bunch of stingy broads who feel like your money is too good for a community you spend more time on than you do with your hubbies. And this is coming from someone who has an average 9-5, high expenses and a mediocre salary. God knows where you guys are in society. Certainly not in a place where you have the right to speak for other people?

It's an OK product. If you love this community and wanna support creators then you should at least consider it. I'm not here to try and convince anyone anything.

Chill. o/

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14 hours ago, janetosilio said:

Competition is good, but uh....5000L when I can get a body for half that? And clothes with the other 2500?

Why is money so highly regarded in Second Life?

That's 20 bucks. You probably spend that on Starbucks in 2 days on your way to the train. Let's be real.

I'm not trying to convince you to buy the body. I'm just trying to make you appreciate competition among creators. What's the point of being emotionally attached to a virtual product to a point where you refuse to be open to new ones? And I know, TMP don't have the best reputation, I have too been stranded in their anxiety-awakening sim with no support in the past, but if they have a product that is better than what I'm currently sitting with, then I couldn't care less for their reputation.

That's just the reality.

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1 minute ago, janetosilio said:

There’s already three or four bodies that are straggling behind Maitreya, do we need another one? And for twice as much as two of them together?

It might be a novel approach, but who’s willing to make a $5000 L mistake?

 

Why, it's something us consumers benefit from. The more competitors the better. Of course we're not gonna buy all of the bodies but if the boundaries are constantly challenged then we'll move forward. Maybe Onyx, or whatever her name is, finally crawls out of her den again like she did when the bento craze took SL by storm, and spoils us with some new features. Or maybe she's thrown off the top by somebody better?

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2 hours ago, Vanity Fair said:

This. THIS. It's highly suspicious that they didn't include that in the demos.

Doesn't necessarily mean they are trying to hide a broken feature. Perhaps it's just a strategy to make you purchase the body. I'm sure it's not flawless because then they'd be bragging about it in the demo folder but I feel like people should try and be more optimistic. Are we going to hold on to our Maitreya bodies for the rest of Second Life's existence?

It's a new and interesting approach. People complain about the price but if this body allows you to wear clothing that aren't specifically designed for the body you're wearing then maybe that L$5,000 isn't so bad after all.