Don't mean to sound like an arrogant **bleep**, but guys, YES, I've tried both those articles, more than once, still NADA, also tried updating firmware on router, still NADA!, all was well till I upgraded to the new Firestorm, aaaahhhhhhhh, the things I do, thought I would've learned last time. Sorry for sounding harsh guys, just frustrated that everywhere you look, those articles are the "Bible" on how to resolve that issue, not neccessarily so, I can say that with confidence, there's something else awry going on, but I'm burnt, been on this most of the day, Thanx though, appreciated a resonse anyway