Zebadiah Zerundi

Perrie Juran wrote: I don't think it is intentional but rather on par with LL's sloppy communication skills and the failure to think things through all the way. The ad as shown should read "first quarter," not "per quarter." It could be considered a classic example of Marbles In The Soup advertising. A complaint could be filed with the FTC, but it would be doubtful if any thing more than a slap on the hand would result if they'd even bother to look at it. On the other side of the equation, anyone who is actually old enough to sign up should by that time in their life know that they should ALWAYS read the fine print. Right on Pierre! Yeah, the FTC (Federal Trade Commission) have bigger fish to fry. That is why it falls on the consumers in forums such as this one to bring attention to the lack of integrity (or laziness) of the provider. I also sent a message to LL but have yet to get a reply. No surprise there, I'm not a "premium" member... "Woulds, Shoulds and Coulds" don't protect the consumer, regardless of age. There is no intelligence test in registration :matte-motes-nerdy:

Phil Deakins wrote: I beg to differ with you Qie, which is something I rarely do. I don't think it would be difficult at all for some people think that the offer is for multiple quarters. Not permanently, but more than one quarter. I do think it's misleading. It would have been very easy to change the word "per" to something that's actually true. At the very least, the way they've done it can be misleading. Thanks Phil, exactly my point

jwenting wrote: Zeb, you're the only one here misleading anyone. If you fail to read the details of an offer, that are clearly listed, that's YOUR problem for not being a responsible adult. What's next, complaining that LL don't call you on your landline to confirm that you indeed want to do this because you might inadvertently sign up for it and change your mind later? jwenting I am not selling anything to anyone, only pointing out to those who might be a little too quick on the submit button to read furhter. I don't see how voicing my opinion on this and my attempt to call out LL on the wording is in anyway misleading. (You must be on the LL team or a 'shareholder' to post what you did in an attempt to discredit my opinion). Verily, I think that anyone who argues that I am the one misleading people simply want to argue or maybe attempt to bully on the forums in persoanl attacks. Otherwise why not just read it and move on? Holding a seller to higher standards of integrity and ehticacy in advertising is what responsible consumers (you can replace the word consumer with adult if it helps you) should do. It is what I am attempting to do with this post. Maturity and intelligence are not age dependent; adults do stupid things sometimes or don't think before they act. Or, it could be a language issue getting lost in translation (if English is not the first language). Doesn't matter what the reason if the advertisement has integrity, is clear and truthful on the 'wrapper' as it is 'in the box.' Again, just my two cents.

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Qwalyphi.....In fact, I did link to the page in my original post (multiple times). You posted it as an image so I guess you found it without too much trouble. If you fail to see the "USD 11.25 per quarter" stated in the ad, I cannot help you, it is plain as can be, smack dab in the center. Perhaps it is a language issue? Per defined: click HERE per [pur; unstressed per] preposition 1.for each; for every: Membership costs ten dollars per year. This cloth is twodollars per yard. Therefore for this example, the price would be "for every" quarter. Qwalyphi Korpov wrote: Zebadiah Zerundi wrote: I respectfully disagree Qwalyphi, I do not believe I was misleading in any way. . In fact, it does say in the main advertisement in large print , "11.25 PER QUARTER." But only applies the discount to the FIRST QUARTER (NOT PER QUARTER as it states), that is what I find misleading... Only in the "fine print," with the "† " does it state that the discount only applies to the FIRST QUARTER. I honestly don't see where I was misleading or misrepresenting what LL had advertised. Sorry. However, you make a good and valid point about taking the initial Quarterly premium payment at the discount of USD 11.25 for only one quarter and THEN going to annual makes financial sense as being the best option indeed. I'd not considered that. But I am not certain you can convert from quarterly to annually that easily, can you? Peace I could perhaps be convinced that the ad is slightly misleading if I could see the actual ad. You don't present it or link to it. I have seen the offer in several forms. None of them have the 11.25 per quarter wording you show. The only place I've found that is on the Dashboard/Account/Premium Membership page. There the per period charges are listed for per month, quarter & year. So in context it's consistent to list one charge per category. A bubble immediately to the right explains that the discounted rate is for a limited time. The "fine print" is immediately below rather than buried at the bottom of the page. So once again I'm thinking you're being misleading if you're calling the premium membership signup page an ad. You are welcome to your opinion, as I am to mine. I am not concerned that you are not convinced, that is not my objective. And, at this point it seems to me you are being argumentative solely for the sake of arguing (or to raise your posting stats) and so I will no longer respond. :manfrustrated: Peace be with you

Hi Frigga. I received the same email and found it to be rather decpetive to get people to signup for premium service. I posted about it HERE and there have been many comments on it as well that may clarify it for you some more. The main advertisement in large print says , "11.25 PER QUARTER." But that only applies the discount to the FIRST QUARTER (NOT PER QUARTER as it states), I find this misleading... Only in the "fine print," with the "† " does it state that the discount only applies to the FIRST QUARTER. You could take the initial Quarterly premium payment at the discount of USD 11.25 for only one quarter and THEN go to annual at USD 72, which makes more sense as being the best option. Ceka Cianci responded that you can change your payment length at any time... if you get the deal for the 50% quarterly and then a day later decided you wanted to pay annual.. you can always switch..but it will always be after the arrangment made previously. Just as if you were to drop from premium to basic, it would start as soon as the period you paid for finishes.. you would have the 50% off quarter run then your annual would pick up after that was over (a total of 15 months; the annual would pick upafter the 1st quarter was finished or you could drop to monthly.. Zeb

Yes, Ceka Cianci, thank you for that clarification. I'm sure it will benefit many who have been following this post or those who may stumble upon it in the future.

I respectfully disagree Qwalyphi, I do not believe I was misleading in any way. . In fact, it does say in the main advertisement in large print , "11.25 PER QUARTER." But only applies the discount to the FIRST QUARTER (NOT PER QUARTER as it states), that is what I find misleading... Only in the "fine print," with the "† " does it state that the discount only applies to the FIRST QUARTER. I honestly don't see where I was misleading or misrepresenting what LL had advertised. Sorry. However, you make a good and valid point about taking the initial Quarterly premium payment at the discount of USD 11.25 for only one quarter and THEN going to annual makes financial sense as being the best option indeed. I'd not considered that. But I am not certain you can convert from quarterly to annually that easily, can you? Peace

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Yes and then follow it up with the "fast-talk" like on a auto radio commercial (US reference, sorry to those outside the US). :matte-motes-big-grin-wink:

BEWARE: 50% off advertisement is misleading LL 50% Off Premium Accounts (quarterly payments only) Advertisement is misleading as presented in the LARGE print. Granted the fine print indicates that you only get the discount on the first quarter (see bleow), but the ad states "USD 11.25 per quarter" The fine print contradicts the "per Quarter" price quoted! This is truly not a 50% off on the membership. Quaterly payments of 22.5*4 = USD 90 [50% would be 45 not 78.75=11.25+(22.50*3), which comes out to 12.5%, not 50%]. The annual payment method is still the better option from a value standpoint. Shame on LL for taking advantage of the less informed. Premium "Quarterly Membership USD 11.25 per quarter" THE FINE PRINT: † TERMS & CONDITIONS FOR 50% DISCOUNT This limited-time discount offer is available only for memberships on the Quarterly billing plan. Discount will be applied to the first quarterly billing cycle only, and all future charges will be at the regular Premium price; price will return to USD 22.50, excluding VAT where applicable. To qualify, Second Life members must have an active Basic account or create a new Second Life account. Discount offer starts Friday July 26, 2013 at 12:01AM (PST) and expires Sunday August 11, 2013 at 11:59pm (PST).